(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

seamus · 03-04-2013 04:49PM

Latchy wrote: »

The wife comes across as docile with some sort of mental imperment but she could have put her childrens safety first before that tosser started the fire ...saying she was under his control just isin't good enough.

Phillpott's modus operandi is to target troubled girls and young women, usually those who are already living in abusive situations and convince them to come live with him.
Then he basically rules them with an iron fist. By definition he goes for women who are likely poorly educated and low in self esteem, and he makes them so afraid of him that he gets complete obedience.

So his wife probably accepted his plan without question once he convinced her it would work.

It doesn't excuse her of course, but it does shed some light on why a mother would allow her children to be put at such massive risk.

03-04-2013 04:56PM

omg i remeber him on jeremy kyle show :mad:

sky news documentary

Latchy · 03-04-2013 04:57PM

seamus wrote: »

So his wife probably accepted his plan without question once he convinced her it would work.

It doesn't excuse her of course, but it does shed some light on why a mother would allow her children to be put at such massive risk.

That's the thing ,like she wasn't wise or stong enough to challenge him about it and may not have allowed for it going wrong .Philpott could only control those who were weaker than him indeed ...that's the main ingredient that comes out of the whole sorry saga .

Lollipops23 · 03-04-2013 05:20PM

Latchy wrote: »

That's the thing ,like she wasn't wise or stong enough to challenge him about it and may not have allowed for it going wrong .Philpott could only control those who were weaker than him indeed ...that's the main ingredient that comes out of the whole sorry saga .

Absolutely- she's not without blame, but I get the impression her IQ is probably sub-par. She was incredibly vulnerable when she took up with him and he honed in on that. Reading about his past, the patterns that emerged paint a very disturbing picture. The man is an unhinged bully, abusive and lazy and disgusting. He thought nothing of half starving his kids but building an extension for his snooker table ffs.

Latchy · 03-04-2013 05:33PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Absolutely- she's not without blame, but I get the impression her IQ is probably sub-par.

Very much so ,even on the documentary last when she handed him cups of tea , she came across as timid and toatly subserviant .

She was incredibly vulnerable when she took up with him and he honed in on that.

Absolutely .

Reading about his past, the patterns that emerged paint a very disturbing picture. The man is an unhinged bully, abusive and lazy and disgusting. He thought nothing of half starving his kids but building an extension for his snooker table ffs.

His appearence on one of the tv shows were he announced '' I will l get my way in the end '' displayed an arrogance , self-importance and an antisocial personality disorder , hidden under the guise of a jack the lad type which fooled nobody except himself .

old hippy · 03-04-2013 05:37PM

Latchy wrote: »

His appearence on one of the tv shows were he announced '' I will l get my way in the end '' displayed an arrogance , self-importance and an antisocial personality disorder , hidden under the guise of a jack the lad type which fooled nobody except himself .

Just to veer off on a tangent here. Maybe another factor is to be wary of a culture that promotes such laddism. That maybe there's something to be said for the emasculation of the male ego.

I wonder what those vehement opponents of same sex parenting would say to that.

Clandestine · 03-04-2013 05:47PM

Latchy wrote: »

His appearence on one of the tv shows were he announced '' I will l get my way in the end '' displayed an arrogance , self-importance and an antisocial personality disorder , hidden under the guise of a jack the lad type which fooled nobody except himself .

Agreed... he screams of narcissism and malignancy. A man devoid of empathy and remorse.

03-04-2013 06:00PM

She is as much to blame as he is. I don't care how much control he had over her as she could have escaped him by dying alongside her children.

She isn't and never was a mother in my eyes. She is just pure evil.

Airitech · 03-04-2013 06:03PM

old hippy wrote: »

Just to veer off on a tangent here. Maybe another factor is to be wary of a culture that promotes such laddism. That maybe there's something to be said for the emasculation of the male ego.

I wonder what those vehement opponents of same sex parenting would say to that.

This happened because he wasn't enough of a man, he was a lazy, pathetic bully.

Society needs to encourage men to be more assertive, confident and resilient. Emasculation takes that away.

I don't know what your comment about same sex parenting is supposed to mean but you are fairly grasping at straws to take a dig at someone.

Children, particularly young men, need a strong male role model in their life but that doesn't necessarily have to be a parent so its no obstacle to same sex female couples raising children.

It's fairly well accepted that absent, abusive or otherwise deficient fathers contribute a lot to delinquency.

tigger123 · 03-04-2013 06:17PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

And the mother's sisters tried to get her to leave with the kids, as well as taking the kids out so they could get something to eat.

They may not be the perfect family, but at least they tried in some small way to help the kids out.

How on earth in this day and age do kids be allowed almost starve? They weren't being looked after, but were all school going age. Why was this blatant neglect not flagged?

I was listening to news this morning on BBC and they were discussing the case. Apparently the kids were (despite everything else) well fed and happy enough.

wordsmithi · 03-04-2013 06:25PM

She was probably scared to death of him at the same time. He was joking at the morgue and coming on to the female police officers. Anyone see the photo of the police officer suspecting them at the press conference.http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01703/SNN0305W--620_1703352a.jpg

The expression on his face shows that he could see they were acting. The police officer said
"he was playing up to the cameras".

Mick Philpott should have cut a few onions before he came out to the media. It might have helped him shed just one tear for his poor children!

I hope the Judge throws the book at both of them tomorrow.

Latchy · 03-04-2013 06:37PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Agreed... he screams of narcissism and malignancy. A man devoid of empathy and remorse.

A sociopath who lacking in proper social skills and empathy ,was going to be found out sooner or later

Airitech wrote: »

It's fairly well accepted that absent, abusive or otherwise deficient fathers contribute a lot to delinquency.

I'm guessing his children loved him in a way that only children can but we may assume that they were to young to understsnd how evil their dad relly was

wordsmithi wrote: »

She was probably scared to death of him at the same time. He was joking at the morgue and coming on to the female police officers. Anyone see the photo of the police officer suspecting them at the press conference.http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01703/SNN0305W--620_1703352a.jpg

That was game over then ....everybodys facail expressions in that press conference , including the camera people knew something wasn't quite right with Philpotts behaviour .

dd972 · 03-04-2013 06:46PM

Airitech wrote: »

This happened because he wasn't enough of a man, he was a lazy, pathetic bully.

Trouble is, prior to the event, he'd be able to walk into most scabby boozers in Ireland or the UK and dazzle everyone with his swagger, banter and alpha-male kudos.

''Aw, that Mick, what's he like, he's a right one isn't he''

The fact that these tossers are regarded as uber-men is a major problem with the psyche of the working classes.

Dubl07 · 03-04-2013 06:51PM

dd972 wrote: »

The fact that these tossers are regarded as uber-men is a major problem with the psyche of the working classes.

Part of the problem is that the bould Mick didn't need to work. He had cash cows.

Madam_X · 03-04-2013 07:01PM

Some women being more than passingly attracted to "a bad boy"/"a bit of rough" helps in the cause célèbre of pricks like him too.

Airitech · 03-04-2013 07:02PM

dd972 wrote: »

Trouble is, prior to the event, he'd be able to walk into most scabby boozers in Ireland or the UK and dazzle everyone with his swagger, banter and alpha-male kudos.

''Aw, that Mick, what's he like, he's a right one isn't he''

The fact that these tossers are regarded as uber-men is a major problem with the psyche of the working classes.

I wouldn't consider him or anyone like you describe to be working class. They are lazy and weak and certainly not men. Overgrown children is the kindest description I would give.

mathepac · 03-04-2013 07:03PM

Just watching Chanel 4 news. The headline reading journo referred to "... Mick Philpott murdering his 6 children... ". Has something changed today in the case?

Dubl07 · 03-04-2013 07:05PM

dd972 wrote: »

Just watching Chanel 4 news. The headline reading journo referred to "... Mick Philpott murdering his 6 children... ". Has something changed today in the case?

The oldest lad was his stepson. Six children died. Five of them carried his genes.

mathepac · 03-04-2013 07:06PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

The same family who clapped and cheered when the guilty verdict was announced in court you forgot to add.

No I didn't forget to add anything. I was simply referring to an early description of the extended Philpott family as "English".

Latchy · 03-04-2013 07:09PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Some women being more than passingly attracted to "a bad boy"/"a bit of rough" helps in the cause célèbre of pricks like him too.

The sad thing about it to is that those same pricks like Philpott somehow get it into their deluded,uneducated heads that other men wan't to be like them .

Yes ....brian dead pricks just like you Mick .

Airitech wrote: »

I wouldn't consider him or anyone like you describe to be working class. They are lazy and weak and certainly not men. Overgrown children is the kindest description I would give.

Indeed , respectful working class people are above anything the Mick Philpotts of this world represent

mathepac wrote: »

Just watching Chanel 4 news. The headline reading journo referred to "... Mick Philpott murdering his 6 children... ". Has something changed today in the case?

All I've heard is it will be manslaughter charges brought against Phillpott ,his wife and accomplice .Philpotts defense will argue that it wasn't their intention to kill the children .

03-04-2013 07:23PM

Disgusting man. I remember seeing that press conference at the time, it was obvious he was crying crocodile tears.

I think the wife is obviously more than a bit 'special'. Given her low IQ and vulnerability, I'm finding it hard to put as much blame on her as I would on him.

Airitech · 03-04-2013 07:30PM

Kali Easy Piece wrote: »

Disgusting man. I remember seeing that press conference at the time, it was obvious he was crying crocodile tears.

I think the wife is obviously more than a bit 'special'. Given her low IQ and vulnerability, I'm finding it hard to put as much blame on her as I would on him.

It sounds like he was a textbook sociopath, no empathy and an expert manipulator.

wil · 03-04-2013 09:36PM

sociopath without a particularly high IQ, selectively manipulative, chose his victims ("wives and girlfriends") according to their susceptibility to his control, usually very young or troubled.
Had no trouble reminding them what happened to previous girlfriends who left him.
He showed no remorse for that either. Judge in that case had warned about him. Why did social services not intervene in over 10 years.
Probably afraid of him.
This case keeps reminding me of Fred West - lots of similar facets

ncmc · 03-04-2013 10:47PM

One thing I don't understand about this case, if it was indeed an accident and Mick intended to frame the ex girlfriend, save the kids, be a hero and get a big house etc then why did he not show any grief or remorse afterwards?

Surely he should have been devastated that the plan went wrong and that he was responsible for the death if 6 children. It's mind boggling that he couldn't even produce a real tear during the police conference.

He is obviously a total sociopath and is a real danger to society. His list of previous crimes is growing daily, at the time of the arson, he was on probation for a pretty serious road rage incident.

This is one case where for the safety of the general public, he needs to be locked away for the rest of his life.

KKkitty · 03-04-2013 11:04PM

Mick Phillpot is a publicity hungry maniac. How you could set a fire with your kids upstairs is beyond me. I doubt he really loved them at all. As for Mairead, she seemed easily led. It's almost like a plot out of a Hollywood movie tbh. He seemed very crass on his appearance on the Jeremy Kyle show, always an answer for every question put to him.

dd972 · 04-04-2013 02:08AM

wil wrote: »

sociopath without a particularly high IQ, selectively manipulative, chose his victims ("wives and girlfriends") according to their susceptibility to his control, usually very young or troubled.
Had no trouble reminding them what happened to previous girlfriends who left him.
He showed no remorse for that either. Judge in that case had warned about him. Why did social services not intervene in over 10 years.
Probably afraid of him.
This case keeps reminding me of Fred West - lots of similar facets

Pretty good summary, he also reminds me of Josef Fritzl, lording it over a submissive wife and children feeds into some sort of ''Big Daddy'' complex these types have in their heads.

Ruudi_Mentari · 04-04-2013 02:26AM

This... conquistador, of vulnerable hearts

any woman with even just a little self respect would not have taken his audacity, for charisma.

seamus · 04-04-2013 09:21AM

ncmc wrote: »

One thing I don't understand about this case, if it was indeed an accident and Mick intended to frame the ex girlfriend, save the kids, be a hero and get a big house etc then why did he not show any grief or remorse afterwards?

Because for him it was just another scam, the children were pawns, collateral damage.

At worst he would have been upset that his plan failed, not that the children had died. Even the fact that he was telling his wife to "stick with the plan" goes to show that this was all for his ego. He didn't want his kids back because he loved them and he didn't want a bigger house for his kids.

He wanted his kids back to prove that he was the big man in charge and he wanted a big house to satisfy his big ego.
Even after botching his plan and killing 6 of his children, he tried to press ahead with his scam to achieve his aims. Anyone with even the slightest shred of selflessness in their body would at least give up on their plan.

The man is missing a switch somewhere in his brain. He seems incapable of identifying when he's done anything wrong - it's beholden on the rest of the world to give him what he wants, and any and all means are OK to achieve that. I can see this one running and running with appeal after appeal as he continually refuses to accept that he deserves blame for this.

I think I feel most sorry for Ms Willis and her kids. They lived and grew up with the six other children and no doubt considered them as close as blood family. They have to live the rest of their lives in the knowledge that their father killed them, for nothing.

CdeC · 04-04-2013 10:31AM

dd972 wrote: »

The fact that these tossers are regarded as uber-men is a major problem with the psyche of the working classes.

Do you not have to work to be part of the working class?

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-04-2013 10:33AM

CdeC wrote: »

Do you not have to work to be part of the working class?

People like Pisspott are an insult to the working class

he is underclass

(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

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