(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

SEPT 23 1989

Boombastic wrote: »

■ Tell fundraisers to collect and sell teddy bears which had been left outside the burned family home,.

ffs:mad:

tipptopper

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

MarkyMark22

tipptopper wrote: »

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

Just a guess, I reckon it was started before the sixth child died in hospital.

Boombastic

tipptopper wrote: »

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

You're right, those poor children didn't deserve to live or die like than. He extended the downstairs of the house and put a snooker table in, while the children all slept in the rooms cramped upstairs. :(

MarkyMark22

Boombastic wrote: »

You're right, those poor children didn't deserve to live or die like than. He extended the downstairs of the house and put a snooker table in, while the children all slept in the rooms cramped upstairs. :(

The man was clearly deluded and psychotic. Blaming the government on him having so many children in a highly aggressive manner.

At one stage Anne Withickham called him a coward, he responded by challenging her to go outside with him for a fight.

SEPT 23 1989

tipptopper wrote: »

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

Title needs to be changed

Psychopath murders 6 of his children

Grand Moff Tarkin

He won't have an easy time of it inside the big house.

fryup

are there mick philpott types in this country?????

MidlandsM

I watched the BBC documentary last night on it, shocking stuff.......

I was bemused at how Philpot and his wife said in secret recording how the couldn't figure out how the fire caught hold so quick and spread..........fcuking thicks.........Petrol (an accellerant), on a man made carpet, at the base of a upvc front door, at the base of a stairwell.........ignorant vermin scum.....

I hope they never get out...........ever .........

seamus

omahaid wrote: »

I can't get my head around this. If I come home and catch my spouse riding someone else and I kill my spouse do I get to kill the other person for free?

Effectively, yeah.
Of course the number of killings does make a difference. If you just killed her and then let him go, that would probably help your defence and you may get a lighter sentence. Whereas brutally killing them both will probably lead to a maximum penalty.

Boombastic

fryup wrote: »

are there mick philpott types in this country?????

His mother was Irish and his wife was an Irish Traveller.................


Regardless of where they can from, there are unbalanced physco's in every society and while I don't doubt that there are people who feed off the welfare state, I hope that there are none that go to this extreme. It takes a certain type of person to carry out a crime like this.

Lollipops23

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Title needs to be changed

Psychopath murders 6 of his children

Exactly what I was thinking. He sounds like a sociopath- he cannot see what he has done wrong at all and has no clue of how an adult in his situation is supposed to act. If he had been a psychopath I imagine he would have known full well how his crazy inappropriate behaviour would have looked to the outside world. He would have hidden it better, as he wanted to get away with the crime.

Either way he's murdering scum, I hope the inmates wherever he ends up teach him a lesson.

Grandpa Hassan

seamus wrote: »

Sentencing doesn't really work that way. There were 6 deaths, but the crimes all occurred at the same time so the sentences all run concurrently. For sentencing purposes it's basically treated as a single incident.

While on paper the sentence may be 10 years on each count of manslaughter, all of the sentences will run concurrently and he only spends 10 years in prison.

The seriously negligent and callous nature of the crime, coupled with his actions afterwards and his refusal to plead guilty will play against him and I've no doubt he'll get the maximum sentence on each count.

Maximum sentence for manslaughter is life in England. Given he is fifty-something, a sentence of > 20 years will be effectively the same thing. I would suggest that he's not the healthiest of fellas and good chance that he'll die in prison

It is going to be a brave judge that only gives him 10 years when they have complete sentencing discretion

Rioghain

The poor children. Imagine doing that to your own children and not even show a shred of remorse. I hope they all get the maximum sentences that can be handed down, because they most certainly deserve it.

Thrill

I heard on sky that his previous convictions will be held against him.

Thrill

Judge says sentencing will not be before 3pm

--Kaiser--

I've only heard about this today, I've read a few articles online but they are all written terribly. Can someone give me a brief synopsis? Why would his mistress get custody of someone else's children? And who is Paul Mosley?

Needless to say, hanging is too good for these vermin, scum of the highest order

seamus

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I've only heard about this today, I've read a few articles online but they are all written terribly. Can someone give me a brief synopsis? Why would his mistress get custody of someone else's children? And who is Paul Mosley?

Needless to say, hanging is too good for these vermin, scum of the highest order

Philpott. Has 17 kids by five different women. Has spent the last 3 years being adored by the red tops because he's the poster boy for the welfare scroungers.

Been demanding bigger council houses for years for his big "family".

Was living with his wife + her kids, and his mistress + her kids. Some of the kids were his, some of them not. Mistress moved out and took her kids with her. Philpott was angry that this damaged his ability to get a bigger house, so tried to burn down his house and frame the mistress, thereby taking back his kids and getting a new bigger house at the same time.

He fncked up, unintentionally killed the children in the house and tried to cover it up as an attack.

Mosley is an accomplice who was screwing Philpott's wife and is probably the person who set the fire.

MidlandsM

Mosley is/was a neighbour who was involved with them in a durty nasty sex circle they had going. They got him involved to stage the fire, and Philpott kept him on side by allowing him to shag his wife....and the wife was only too happy to oblige........


pure scum

Grayson

I know generally I'll go on about how people need to be rehabilitated, but not in this case. In those cases I generally believe the people were a product of a bad upbringing or an illness, but that something could be done for them.

In this case, lock the fcuker up for the rest of his life. He was just a greedy bastard who didn't give a fcuk about his own children.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Philpott. Has 17 kids by five different women.

How the hell do people get mixed up with people when they have over a dozen kids with multiple people! One or two are enough for most people to keep a wide berth because of how complicated it can be but when you start hitting 3 and 4 and 5 partners and over a half dozen kids..........!!!!!!!!!!!!

antodeco

Life in prison is too goo for him. Death penalty is just an easy way out. I think he should be put in "the hole" in prison and every day, burnt. Petrol on him and lit. Not enough to kill him, but enough to keep him in excruciating pain. Like his children, but at least they got relief, only by death. He should be washed down in vinegar, every day, on top of his burns. He should be fed hot chillies every day, with only tabasco sauce to wash his mouth. He shouldnt even be treated as anything on this planet.

Latchy

A vile and evil total control freak who had sneering contempt for everybody and who hid behind the persona of loving father when in reality ,his children were just a means to gain more housing benefit's .He also had a previous conviction for stabbing a much younger , ex girlfriend and her mother when she broke up with him which has only recently come to light .

His brag in the documentary on ITV about having two bitches to shag every night ( he regarded all women as bitches ) quote '' 1000s of men would love to be in my situation '' just shows how far removed from reality he was .A pure and utter scumbag who deserves every minute of his long sentence .

seamus

We can only hope that Philpott's daughters have never had to suffer sexual abuse at his hands.

He clearly has a penchant for teenage girls, dominating and being violent against women, so if his daughters hadn't been sexually assaulted yet, it was only a matter of time. His jailing is a blessing for all of his surviving children. The deaths of the others may be something of a twisted blessing for them too, saving them from a life lived with that man.

old hippy

antodeco wrote: »

Life in prison is too goo for him. Death penalty is just an easy way out. I think he should be put in "the hole" in prison and every day, burnt. Petrol on him and lit. Not enough to kill him, but enough to keep him in excruciating pain. Like his children, but at least they got relief, only by death. He should be washed down in vinegar, every day, on top of his burns. He should be fed hot chillies every day, with only tabasco sauce to wash his mouth. He shouldnt even be treated as anything on this planet.

More torture pornography. How sick.

old hippy

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Though usually implaccably oppossed to the death penalty even I have to admit that all three should be hanged.

Disappointing, Wiley.

What good would it do? It won't deter anyone and it's an easy way out for the perps.

Madam_X

old hippy wrote: »

More torture pornography. How sick.

Just talk though. And possibly a piss-take. If not, I don't know how people dream up that ****.
Still though, all the stuff Philpott did is real - and beyond sordid. I'd be focusing more on that than torture fantasy bluster.

conorhal

old hippy wrote: »

Disappointing, Wiley.

What good would it do? It won't deter anyone and it's an easy way out for the perps.

Pfft* Save the self reightousness Old Hippy, one page in and this was the first thing you had to say on the subject

old hippy wrote: »

I guess all the DM loving anti-benefits crowd will be barely able to surpress their glee over this

Tragic, in every way.

Your strop is pretty hypocritical when it's clear your only real concern is that the Daily Mail might have been right for once, thus blunting your ability to chide people for their lack of compassion and clouding their view of you up there on the moral high ground. Which kind of confirms many of my views of lefty hand-wringers, that much of their bluster is all mock outrage and pretext for attacking those you disagree with, but they tend not to posess any real compassion.

old hippy

Madam_X wrote: »

Just talk though. And possibly a piss-take. If not, I don't know how people dream up that ****.
Still though, all the stuff Philpott did is real - and beyond sordid. I'd be focusing more on that than torture fantasy bluster.

Unfortunately, I've been focusing on it since the beginning of the whole tragic case. I have no doubt the man is twisted and selfish. Hearing of his manipulation of young women and propensity to violence does not endear him to me in any way. A lengthy sentence where he has to live with what he's done would do the trick.

The torture porn here is no less disturbing, mind.

old hippy

conorhal wrote: »

Pfft* Save the self reightousness Old Hippy, one page in and this was the first thing you had to say on the subject



Your strop is pretty hypocritical when it's clear your only real concern is that the Daily Mail might have been right for once, thus blunting your ability to chide people for their lack of compassion and clouding your clearly 'superior view' from the moral high ground. How disappointing for you

And how disgusting to parade your glee around the boards. It is tragic, in every way. And tragic how you would use it to support your own agenda.

Try harder.