Justice Minster Alan Shatter opinions on the man

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:10pm

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

The one we have at the moment have made little or no decent decisions in favour of the people of this country. They lied through their teeth to get into power and even at that, as I said before, they only got in to punish FF.
They haven't even the decency to take a sizeable pay cut..only a Mickey Mouse one.
I seem to remember seeing photos of Kenny playing golf with Sean Quinn..that was for the goodness of his health I gather..nothing to do with political donations or indeed something more sinister.
All the major parties in this country are in bed with the same people that ruined this country. Is a simple fact of protecting the elite and riding the ordinary people.

A good indication of the success of the current government is the resurrection of FF. Says it all!!!

It may be Easter Sunday, I don't think Fiana Failed have resurrected! FF got their answer in Meath last week!

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 10:12pm

Emerie Eager Tableware wrote: »

That reflects poorly on the electorate more than anything, tbh. Just goes to show how pea-brained and deserving of ministerial scorn the average voter is if they're seriously giving any consideration to electing Fianna Fail again after, what, two short years of a Fine Gael-lead coalition?

It is usually between Zig or Zag. No difference in these parties. FG are just carrying out FF policies now.

Blahblah2012 · 31-03-2013 10:12pm

delthedriver wrote: »

It may be Easter Sunday, I don't think Fiana Failed have resurrected!

They weren't that far behind in Meath east!

Blahblah2012 · 31-03-2013 10:14pm

Emerie Eager Tableware wrote: »

That reflects poorly on the electorate more than anything, tbh. Just goes to show how pea-brained and deserving of ministerial scorn the average voter is if they're seriously giving any consideration to electing Fianna Fail again after, what, two short years of a Fine Gael-lead coalition?

It does of course..but it also shows dissatisfaction with FG.
Voting for either deserves scorn. The system needs to be changed.

Sergeant · 31-03-2013 10:15pm

tayto lover wrote: »

It is usually between Zig or Zag. No difference in these parties. FG are just carrying out FF policies now.

No, they are carrying out the policies needed to return this country to economic independence (whilst being a member of the wider European fiscal union).

What are the alternatives?

Blahblah2012 · 31-03-2013 10:16pm

Sergeant wrote: »

No, they are carrying out the policies needed to return this country to economic independence (whilst being a member of the wider European fiscal union).

What are the alternatives?

Once you believe it...is the main thing!

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 10:18pm

Sergeant wrote: »

No, they are carrying out the policies needed to return this country to economic independence (whilst being a member of the wider European fiscal union).

What are the alternatives?

That's my point. There are no alternatives out there. It's either Zig or Zag.
The policies FG are now carrying out are not the policies they were elected on.
Fianna Fail should never be allowed back into power but FG are now their main election agents. Just look at the opinion polls.

HondaSami · 31-03-2013 10:20pm

Sergeant wrote: »

No, they are carrying out the policies needed to return this country to economic independence (whilst being a member of the wider European fiscal union).

What are the alternatives?

FG got the country when it was in a mess that is a fact, right now they are just doing what Europe is telling them to do. Enda Kenny is not making any decisions nor will he in the future.
They will not get reelected, we all know that, FF is sitting back ready to take it back again.

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:28pm

Emerie Eager Tableware wrote: »

That reflects poorly on the electorate more than anything, tbh. Just goes to show how pea-brained and deserving of ministerial scorn the average voter is if they're seriously giving any consideration to electing Fianna Fail again after, what, two short years of a Fine Gael-lead coalition?

FF will be lucky to win a nice girl contest, never mind a general election.
They are the reason Ireland is on its knees.
FG have been making all the tough and unpopular decisions to clean up the mess left behind after The FF circus got booted out of town.
Mr. Shatter and his colleagues have done a remarkable job in such a short space of time. Recently Ireland re entered the Bond market well ahead of schedule, certainly in the eyes of the International Community the present Government are seen to be doing an excellent job, which has been proven in recent weeks with the announcement of new jobs being created by multinationals.
Mr. Shatter is part of that Government team. They never said it would be easy , but they are certainly going in the right direction.
Anyone who is under the illusion that FF could win the next general election are seriously deluding themselves.

Blahblah2012 · 31-03-2013 10:31pm

delthedriver wrote: »

FF will be lucky to win a nice girl contest, never mind a general election.
They are the reason Ireland is on its knees.
FG have been making all the tough and unpopular decisions to clean up the mess left behind after The FF circus got booted out of town.
Mr. Shatter and his colleagues have done a remarkable job in such a short space of time. Recently Ireland re entered the Bond market well ahead of schedule, certainly in the eyes of the International Community the present Government are seen to be doing an excellent job, which has been proven in recent weeks with the announcement of new jobs being created by multinationals.
Mr. Shatter is part of that Government team. They never said it would be easy , but they are certainly going in the right direction.
Anyone who is under the illusion that FF could win the next general election are seriously deluding themselves.

They're both useless and sorry excuses for representatives of the people. Shame on them.

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:33pm

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

They weren't that far behind in Meath east!

Perhaps, but no prizes for second or third places in that race.

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:36pm

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

It does of course..but it also shows dissatisfaction with FG.
Voting for either deserves scorn. The system needs to be changed.

What do you suggest?

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:37pm

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

They're both useless and sorry excuses for representatives of the people. Shame on them.

Can you elaborate ?

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 10:38pm

delthedriver wrote: »

Perhaps, but no prizes for second or third places in that race.

I wouldn't rule out FF getting back in although I would hate to see it.
The Meath vote was plainly and simply a sympathy vote.
Don't kid yourself about that.

Yitzhak Rabin · 31-03-2013 10:41pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I wouldn't rule out FF getting back in although I would hate to see it.
The Meath vote was plainly and simply a sympathy vote.
Don't kid yourself about that.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0223/369264-redc-sbp-poll/

Fine Gael still the most popular political party.

A new Red C / Sunday Business Post opinion poll suggests Fine Gael is still the most popular political party at 28%, Fianna Fáil is suggested to be at 26%, Independents and others are at 18%, Sinn Féin is suggested to be at 16% and the Labour Party at 12%.

Broadly along the lines of the results in Meath East. This sympathy vote nonsense is nothing but a load of bitter claptrap.

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 10:46pm

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0223/369264-redc-sbp-poll/

Broadly along the lines of the results in Meath East. This sympathy vote nonsense is nothing but a load of bitter claptrap.

Only 2% between them after they wrecked the country.
Overdoing the austerity measure is costing FG big-time. Too much austerity too soon. The people need a break and FG need to designate money towards a jobs initiative.
They are becoming the FF election agents.

Sergeant · 31-03-2013 10:46pm

HondaSami wrote: »

FG got the country when it was in a mess that is a fact, right now they are just doing what Europe is telling them to do. Enda Kenny is not making any decisions nor will he in the future.
They will not get reelected, we all know that, FF is sitting back ready to take it back again.

Enda Kenny will be seen as one of the finest Taoisigh we have had. I'm a massive optimist when it come to the future economic sovereignty of this country. In five years time Ireland will once again be one of the great small countries of Europe. Low corporate tax, educated workforce (Jobbridge being a massive component of this), English speaking.

As a part-time, but very engaged student of Modern Irish History, I must say we have a cabinet of truly engaged and receptive Ministers.

Blahblah2012 · 31-03-2013 10:48pm

delthedriver wrote: »

Can you elaborate ?

To be honest..this country is so bent..it's hard to know if it's possible. The elite get their way..and there's nothing can be done about it. The average person will always be a monkey licking its bosses bag

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:52pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I wouldn't rule out FF getting back in although I would hate to see it.
The Meath vote was plainly and simply a sympathy vote.
Don't kid yourself about that.

Sympathy vote, bull****!

Bitter Fiana Failed clap trap:)

HondaSami · 31-03-2013 10:53pm

Sergeant wrote: »

Enda Kenny will be seen as one of the finest Taoisigh we have had. I'm a massive optimist when it come to the future economic sovereignty of this country. In five years time Ireland will once again be one of the great small countries of Europe. Low corporate tax, educated workforce (Jobbridge being a massive component of this), English speaking.

As a part-time, but very engaged student of Modern Irish History, I must say we have a cabinet of truly engaged and receptive Ministers.

I have nothing against Enda Kenny but don't think i see him in the same way you do. Five years is a very long time to wait and what suffering will we endure in the meantime.
Unfortunately people will turn against FG because of all the cut backs, we all need someone to blame.

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 10:53pm

delthedriver wrote: »

Sympathy vote, bull****!

Bitter Fiana Failed clap trap:)

I was waiting for the insult.
Sympathy vote it was regardless.

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 10:57pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I was waiting for the insult.
Sympathy vote it was regardless.

Well , you kind of walked yourself into it!:)

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 10:58pm

delthedriver wrote: »

Well , you kind of walked yourself into it!:)

Walked into nothing.
I listened to people being interviewed on LMFM.
Sympathy vote indeed.

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 11:00pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Walked into nothing.
I listened to people being interviewed on LMFM.
Sympathy vote indeed.

Relax man. The votes are counted and Fiana Failed!:) yet again.

gowley · 31-03-2013 11:01pm

phil hogan the bully alan shatter the arrogant and james reilly the stubbs gazzette all great ministers dont make me laugh

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 11:01pm

delthedriver wrote: »

Relax man. The votes are counted and Fiana Failed!:) yet again.

Thank God for that BUT they were too close for comfort

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 11:04pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Thank God for that BUT they were too close for comfort

If Fiana Failed popularity is allegedly on the increase they should have done better.........!:D

Sergeant · 31-03-2013 11:05pm

HondaSami wrote: »

I have nothing against Enda Kenny but don't think i see him in the same way you do. Five years is a very long time to wait and what suffering will we endure in the meantime.
Unfortunately people will turn against FG because of all the cut backs, we all need someone to blame.

What 'suffering' have you encountered?

Suffering is watching your child die of starvation. Getting a couple of eurons knocked off your Dole payments ain't exactly making me want to get my acoustic guitar and sing Bob Dylan songs. We live in one of the last great social democracies in the world.

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 11:08pm

delthedriver wrote: »

If Fiana Failed popularity is allegedly on the increase they should have done better.........!:D

Have you not seen the opinion polls?
FG are making them look likely to challenge strongly again.
How could FG blow all that lead after only 2 years? Seriously.

HondaSami · 31-03-2013 11:09pm

Sergeant wrote: »

What 'suffering' have you encountered?

Suffering is watching your child die of starvation. Getting a couple of eurons knocked off your Dole payments ain't exactly making me want to get my acoustic guitar and sing Bob Dylan songs. We live in one of the last great social democracies in the world.

Fair enough maybe suffering was the wrong choice of word.

tayto lover · 31-03-2013 11:09pm

Sergeant wrote: »

What 'suffering' have you encountered?

Suffering is watching your child die of starvation. Getting a couple of eurons knocked off your Dole payments ain't exactly making me want to get my acoustic guitar and sing Bob Dylan songs. We live in one of the last great social democracies in the world.

Ireland.

delthedriver · 31-03-2013 11:10pm

gowley wrote: »

phil hogan the bully alan shatter the arrogant and james reilly the stubbs gazzette all great ministers dont make me laugh

Oooooooh!

What about CJ Haughey, P . Flynn, Bertie Ahern.......... Shall I continue?:D

Keep drinking the Ovaltine!

Good Night, I am weary from this thread. It is so far off topic, the danger is it will become a chocolate egg slinging match.

Hope everyone had a good day.

Best wishes

gowley · 31-03-2013 11:14pm

delthedriver wrote: »

Oooooooh!

What about CJ Haughey, P . Flynn, Bertie Ahern.......... Shall I continue?:D

Keep drinking the Ovaltine!

Good Night, I am weary from this thread. It is so far off topic, the danger is it will become a chocolate egg slinging match.

Hope everyone had a good day.

Best wishes

talking about the present ministers there is nothing you or i can do about the past

Maudi · 31-03-2013 11:26pm

Sergeant wrote: »

Enda Kenny will be seen as one of the finest Taoisigh we have had. I'm a massive optimist when it come to the future economic sovereignty of this country. In five years time Ireland will once again be one of the great small countries of Europe. Low corporate tax, educated workforce (Jobbridge being a massive component of this), English speaking.

As a part-time, but very engaged student of Modern Irish History, I must say we have a cabinet of truly engaged and receptive Ministers.

lol.THEY told MASSIVE lies to vulnerable voters and hence CHEATED their way in...irish history buff indeed lol...

hawkelady · 01-04-2013 8:23am

Sergeant wrote: »

What 'suffering' have you encountered?

Suffering is watching your child die of starvation. Getting a couple of eurons knocked off your Dole payments ain't exactly making me want to get my acoustic guitar and sing Bob Dylan songs. We live in one of the last great social democracies in the world.

Capital yawn !!!!!!
Do you not think there are people suffering from the stress that they could possibly lose their home ?
Do you not think parents suffer and hurt when they say goodbye to their children at the airport not knowing when / if they will see them again??

Please realise that you don't have to bloody watch your child die so you can use the word suffer.
Jesus wept and I'm yawning reading the quality of your posts !!!!!!!

Reamer Fanny · 01-04-2013 8:24am

Alan Shatter.

mattser · 01-04-2013 8:47am

mikom wrote: »

Another troll tread being lead a merry dance by the military "officers".
Lock it up folks.

Exactly. I've seen none so tedious.

hawkelady · 01-04-2013 11:01am

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-made-another-bizarre-scifi-joke-in-election-campaign-29166109.html

Well this makes a mockery of people on here supporting shatter as intelligent etc.
the chap is a buffoon and he cares not a jot.

Nodin · 01-04-2013 11:03am

hawkelady wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-made-another-bizarre-scifi-joke-in-election-campaign-29166109.html

Well this makes a mockery of people on here supporting shatter as intelligent etc.
the chap is a buffoon and he cares not a jot.

He made a joke? Well that proves he's as thick as shit then so.

hawkelady · 01-04-2013 11:50am

Nodin wrote: »

He made a joke? Well that proves he's as thick as shit then so.

Lol , a joke. !!! If you think that's funny your easily amused !! The comedy clubs will be lining up to have him on stage !!
Tbh it sounds like an arrogant d/ck talking crap cause he likes to hear himself talk , no matter what nonsense it is !!!!

Yitzhak Rabin · 01-04-2013 12:13pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Lol , a joke. !!! If you think that's funny your easily amused !! The comedy clubs will be lining up to have him on stage !!
Tbh it sounds like an arrogant d/ck talking crap cause he likes to hear himself talk , no matter what nonsense it is !!!!

Very bitter post.

There has actually been studies that show a correlation between watching Sci-Fi and above average intelligence. So it really only adds to the case that Alan is more intelligent than most people.

Reamer Fanny · 01-04-2013 12:18pm

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Very bitter post.

There has actually been studies that show a correlation between watching Sci-Fi and above average intelligence. So it really only adds to the case that Alan is more intelligent than most people.

Yes but what an unfortunate second name

omahaid · 01-04-2013 12:19pm

Is he into the old sci-fi? He's gone up in my estimation so :cool:

omahaid · 01-04-2013 12:24pm

hawkelady wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-made-another-bizarre-scifi-joke-in-election-campaign-29166109.html

Well this makes a mockery of people on here supporting shatter as intelligent etc.
the chap is a buffoon and he cares not a jot.

And I have to say if person A said person B is a buffoon because person B like sci-fi I would consider person A a bully.

Pappa Charlie · 01-04-2013 1:14pm

omahaid wrote: »

And I have to say if person A said person B is a buffoon because person B like sci-fi I would consider person A a bully.

Are we talking real world or sci-fi?

John Mongo · 01-04-2013 2:31pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, I had gathered that. Bit of cognitive bias going on there I reckon. I wonder if he'd be singing the praise of Shatter if major cutbacks were applied to our military budget tomorrow.

It's a fine example of that 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that Yitzhak et al have been decrying in a number of threads lately.

"If" major cutbacks were applied to our Defence budget?

Our Defence budget, including paying for wages, is going to be down to 621 million this year once CPA2 comes into play. I won't go into the actual cutbacks and reform that has gone on in the Defence Forces but it's been fairly full on.

So yeah, major cutbacks have been applied quite a bit to Defence in this country.

Ash.J.Williams · 02-04-2013 3:10pm

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Very bitter post.

There has actually been studies that show a correlation between watching Sci-Fi and above average intelligence. So it really only adds to the case that Alan is more intelligent than most people.

it's actually good to see a politician who has an interest in something!!!

Eponymous · 02-04-2013 3:31pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

it's actually good to see a politician who has an interest in something!!!

They're all interested in something... re-election.

Sergeant · 02-04-2013 3:43pm

Eponymous wrote: »

They're all interested in something... re-election.

Why wouldn't a politician be interested in re-election? On the one hand you've pundits on here criticising the man for making cuts, but on the other that he's only looking to secure re-election.

Which is it?

Pappa Charlie · 02-04-2013 4:01pm

Sergeant wrote: »

Why wouldn't a politician be interested in re-election? On the one hand you've pundits on here criticising the man for making cuts, but on the other that he's only looking to secure re-election.

Which is it?

He hasn't a hope of re election, he got shafted before by the public even while in opposition and certainly will next time!

Justice Minster Alan Shatter opinions on the man

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