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    #632
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    premierstone wrote: »
    ste2010 wrote: »
    Over fences maybe..over hurdles he had no problem.

    Personally Im not convinced he actually did stay three miles in a truly run race over hurdles, I think in last years World Hurdle he simply didnt stay, I could be wrong but that was my impression, he is still good enough to win the RSA but he ois one of the favs I think i'll be taking on

    Agree with this. One of the reasons I like First Lieutenant so much is because he looks like a thorough stayer and can see him outstaying everything.

    Also, Scudamore on any horse is generally a lay for me.


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    #633
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    I liked the look of Nicholls' horse for the RSA after his last win at Cheltenham


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    #634
    mccarte2
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭mccarte2


    Another poor run from Binocular today. Don't know how some people can still give this lad a shot in the Champion Hurdle.


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    #635
    ft9
    Registered Users Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭ft9


    mccarte2 wrote: »
    Another poor run from Binocular today. Don't know how some people can still give this lad a shot in the Champion Hurdle.

    LOL. The Horse Racing forum will never forget that classic Urban.


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    #636
    UrbanSea
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    I was just coming over here to post that.


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    #637
    Hoofer
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Hoofer


    mccarte2 wrote: »
    Another poor run from Binocular today. Don't know how some people can still give this lad a shot in the Champion Hurdle.

    will the real binocular please stand up please stand up lol


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    #638
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    Slattsy wrote: »
    What price you laying SS buddy???

    Currently 1.6 ish. if you thin id offer a better price your wrong, why would i when i can lay him at that on betfair


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    #639
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    Slattsy wrote: »
    What price you laying SS buddy???

    Currently 1.6 ish. if you thin id offer a better price your wrong, why would i when i can lay him at that on betfair

    Fair enough.


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    #640
    hucklebuck
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    premierstone wrote: »
    Personally Im not convinced he actually did stay three miles in a truly run race over hurdles, I think in last years World Hurdle he simply didnt stay, I could be wrong but that was my impression, he is still good enough to win the RSA but he ois one of the favs I think i'll be taking on

    You must be joking, he was eyeballing Big Bucks at the last hurdle and just got outbattled close to the line.

    If anything Grands Crus will stay further this year, he is settling a lot better this season.


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    #641
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    hucklebuck wrote: »
    You must be joking, he was eyeballing Big Bucks at the last hurdle and just got outbattled close to the line.

    If anything Grands Crus will stay further this year, he is settling a lot better this season.

    Nope this is wrong. Grand Crus isnt an out and out stayer, He will get outstayed in the RSA.


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    #642
    klairondavis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    Grands Crus didn't look like he got home in the French Champion Hurdle last backend. It may have been that he was over the top but he doesn't look like a real thorough stayer. The RSA is often a real slog and it nearly always goes to a real grinder of a horse (Weapons Amnesty, Bostons Angel, Cooldine, Denman, Rule Supreme, One Knight). I'm not sure that GC fits that profile.


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    #643
    Huntey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Huntey


    hucklebuck wrote: »
    You must be joking, he was eyeballing Big Bucks at the last hurdle and just got outbattled close to the line.

    Absolutely correct here.

    I have reservations about whether he wants a true 3m test but last years World Hurdle isn't the correct race to judge that. They crawled around for a circuit and Grands Crus saw the trip out perfectly, he was simply out battled.
    klairondavis wrote: »
    Grands Crus didn't look like he got home in the French Champion Hurdle last backend.

    He pulled like a train, you can put a line through that race when evaluating him.


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    #644
    klairondavis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    Huntey wrote: »



    He pulled like a train, you can put a line through that race when evaluating him.

    What's to say he won't be too keen in the Sun Alliance? He looked good at Kempton but comparing that track to Cheltenham is like chalk and cheese.


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    #645
    Getoffmytrain
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Getoffmytrain


    Grand crus has won 3 from 4 at Cheltenham, so the course wouldn't worry me at all.


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    #646
    Huntey
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    klairondavis wrote: »
    What's to say he won't be too keen in the Sun Alliance? He looked good at Kempton but comparing that track to Cheltenham is like chalk and cheese.

    Ok.


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    #647
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    Nope this is wrong. Grand Crus isnt an out and out stayer, He will get outstayed in the RSA.

    He isn't a dour stayer but he will see out the RSA trip. It is going to be a slower run affair than last years World and I can't see the 1/2 furlong beng any problem to him.

    His jumping may well stop anything that stays from laying a glove on him even if he is empty in the last furlong which I doubt he will be.

    The only horse I would be worried about is Join Together.


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    #648
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    klairondavis wrote: »
    What's to say he won't be too keen in the Sun Alliance? He looked good at Kempton but comparing that track to Cheltenham is like chalk and cheese.

    As I said Klarion, he settles much better in his races this season. Look how long it took Schu to settle him in the Cleeve compared with any race over fences. Plus he loves Cheltenham.

    I understand what you are saying about the more dour stayers but Grands Crus could win this in the fashion of Denman, he certainly jumps and travels well enough.

    I would not hesitate in backing GC in the Gold Cup if he ends up there and that is 2 furlongs further than the RSA.

    Look at last years World Hurdle, it took Big Bucks to get him off the bridle and that was with Ruby getting to work. I thought it was a big race by Grands Crus and he saw every inch of it out.


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    #649
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    I'm on Riverside Theatre to win on sat and the ryanair. 35/1 double


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    #650
    ste2010
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    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    I'm on Riverside Theatre to win on sat and the ryanair. 35/1 double

    Was that a seperate special somewhere HH or was it just picked for sat then you added Ryanair selection? Boylesports?


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    #651
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    ste2010 wrote: »
    Was that a seperate special somewhere HH or was it just picked for sat then you added Ryanair selection? Boylesports?

    Picked it for sat then added. I dunno if it's right by rules but if the options there I suppose they have to pay out. Vc bet, purely because of odds. I'm sure it works in other spots


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    #652
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    Picked it for sat then added. I dunno if it's right by rules but if the options there I suppose they have to pay out. Vc bet, purely because of odds. I'm sure it works in other spots

    Related contingency. You won't get paid out if it comes off


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    #653
    longshotvalue
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    I'm on Riverside Theatre to win on sat and the ryanair. 35/1 double

    i dont think you can do that bet, as one effects the other. Im on him to win the Ryanair ..


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    #654
    Stewie Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Stewie Griffin


    I often wondered about that. How do bookies accept first goalscorer/scoreline doubles then? Does one not affect the other there too? Or am I missing something?


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    #655
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    Stewie Griffin wrote: »
    I often wondered about that. How do bookies accept first goalscorer/scoreline doubles then? Does one not affect the other there too? Or am I missing something?

    You get a worse price


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    #656
    Stewie Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Stewie Griffin


    So basically a related contingency is only a related contingency when the bookie says so.


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    #657
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    Stewie Griffin wrote: »
    So basically a related contingency is only a related contingency when the bookie says so.

    No. If you back Rooney to score first (4/1), seperately back Man United to win (6/4) bet would pay 11.5/1

    But bookies price these up accordingly so the price you would get is likely to be 6/1 or thereabouts because if Rooney scores 1st the price on a United victory would contract.

    Same as if Riverside Theatre wins the Ascot chase then his price would contract for the Ryanair.


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    #658
    Stewie Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Stewie Griffin


    Yeah I understood that that the price would contract on the second event alright. There just seems to be an inconsistency in their attitude there,in the sense that "we don't accept related bets, well actually we do, but at reduced prices." It should be either acceptable or not acceptable, imo.

    Anyway, thanks for clearing it up and sorry for diverting the topic.


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    #659
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    Stewie Griffin wrote: »
    Yeah I understood that that the price would contract on the second event alright. There just seems to be an inconsistency in their attitude there,in the sense that "we don't accept related bets, well actually we do, but at reduced prices." It should be either acceptable or not acceptable, imo.

    Anyway, thanks for clearing it up and sorry for diverting the topic.

    The scorecast bet is similar to the racing bets that pop up, like last years Long Run to win King George and Gold Cup at 7/2.

    I really fancy Midnight Game for the Supreme Novices by the way, I know I said it in November not sure if it was this thread. Pricewise stuck him up too.


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    #660
    sting60
    Registered Users Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭sting60


    If Berties Dream is to be the player I hear he is for the RSA he will have to run a major race in the Grade 2 at Navan on Sunday.Already advised on this site at 40/1 he now is down to 25/1 and getting shorter.They removed a broken bone in his neck which they believe was there for some time plus another problem[incident] before his run in last years stayers hurdle and change of trainer.Great jumper and stays he is a new horse so Sunday will tell wheather 40/1 is value or not.


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    #661
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    Dougie Howser Henderson strike again..

    Gradouet replaced by Binocular in Kingwell, he banged his leg in his box and

    "he's perfectly alright and he's just had to have some medication to clear it up"

    Maybe allergy medication and the BHA testers were going to be at Wincanton tomorrow.

    I think we could see Spirit Son yet too...


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