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Huge queues form at Capuchin food handout
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Unfortunately, in any such walk of life, there are always those that are only too ready to take advantage. It's everywhere. Social Welfare fraud is prime example.
Yes, I understand the scripture behind such beliefs. Thanks for the reply, I was just hoping an independent might verify my 'wild claims' according to some. I'm not against the centre at all, and I would hope that I do not dissuade people from giving to the centre. It just annoys me that there are people who would take advantage of charity at the expense of the genuinely destitute.
Those who take advantage annoy me too. The Capuchins are probably equally as annoyed but for them it's about no questions asked charity. It's what they are.
Here's a simple example. When I worked there there was a guy who used to ask for some tea bags and bread every so often. He'd get about 20 tea bags and a small sliced pan. It came to the Day Centre's attention that he was selling a tea bag and a slice of bread for IR£1 back in his hostel. (this was in the 1980s). He called asking for the same thing after he was found out. Was he refused? No. Instead he got 2 tea bags and 2 slices of bread. In a religious outfit there is always room for forgiveness.
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carfiosaoorl wrote: »I dont understand what going down and looking is going to do. How can you judge a persons situation just by looking at them?
Good judgement? Common sense? Asking a few questions? Ask them if they work, are they on the dole etc. how many do they provide for and how much money they receive, you'll be surprised. You'll be giving a christmas hamper to the pakistani lad who works in the garage or newsagents instead mate.
Or the poor pensioner. Or the starving black babies in Africa. Or India. Or a country where real poverty doesn't consist of not being able to afford the latest Nike Air Max and a slab of tinnies for Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun and Monday nights. haha! 
If people did it, instead of talking nonsense through their keyboards, we would have a better discussion tbh. Other people offering opinions and questioning my judgement when they haven't ever laid eyes on the place, and know nothing of my experience.... typical boards tbh.0 -
Good judgement? Common sense? Asking a few questions? Ask them if they work, are they on the dole etc. how many do they provide for and how much money they receive, you'll be surprised. You'll be giving a christmas hamper to the pakistani lad who works in the garage or newsagents instead mate. Or the poor pensioner. Or the starving black babies in Africa. Or India. Or a country where real poverty doesn't consist of not being able to afford the latest Nike Air Max and a slab of tinnies for Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun and Monday nights. haha!
If people did it, instead of talking nonsense through their keyboards, we would have a better discussion tbh. Other people offering opinions and questioning my judgement when they haven't ever laid eyes on the place, and know nothing of my experience.... typical boards tbh.
So you're saying that you go down and question people in the queue about their situation and how they got there, seriously
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Exactly. Question someone who is in genuine need and you run a serious risk of embarrassing them into not returning for fear of further embarrassment.carfiosaoorl wrote: »
So you're saying that you go down and question people in the queue about their situation and how they got there, seriously
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No no, this evidence nonsense has no place in a reasonable discussion.carfiosaoorl wrote: »So you're saying that you go down and question people in the queue about their situation and how they got there, seriously0 -
carfiosaoorl wrote: »So you're saying that you go down and question people in the queue about their situation and how they got there, seriously
No volunteer and engage in conversation with them.0 -
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it doesn't make sense that you feel for needy people, yet won't help them because of the scammers...samina wrote:I don't know where you live but where I live they do the rounds weekly handing out money, food and used to give a weeks holiday in a mobile somewhere don't know if they still do this. True they might not be paying for their bolidays in Spain maybe they are giving it the batman instead. Like I say they all work or collect the lone parents and live with their working partners. So he's I do begrudge people getting things for free when there are people who need it and could be getting more only for these people, not that I begrudge them getting it only because I don't because if I had the morals of a dog I could because they give to anyone who asks.
Yes I'm no great loss to them but I'd rather give my money where I know it's going to good use 0 -
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Who wouldn't feel for the needy? What's confusing is the fact that you don't understand that I won't give to an organisation that I know is being taken advantage of by so many. I would have no problem buying a homeless person a cuppa and a sandwich or donating to the charities I feel are giving to those who TRULY need it. If you feel ok about giving to a charity that I've seen give their (could have been yours) money to people who probably have more money than you that's your choice. The sad part is many people who lost jobs in recent years would be too proud and go hungry rather than see their kids go without for Christmas and the same old scroungers get everything.
it doesn't make sense that you feel for needy people, yet won't help them because of the scanners...samina wrote:I don't know where you live but where I live they do the rounds weekly handing out money, food and used to give a weeks holiday in a mobile somewhere don't know if they still do this. True they might not be paying for their bolidays in Spain maybe they are giving it the batman instead. Like I say they all work or collect the lone parents and live with their working partners. So he's I do begrudge people getting things for free when there are people who need it and could be getting more only for these people, not that I begrudge them getting it only because I don't because if I had the morals of a dog I could because they give to anyone who asks.
Yes I'm no great loss to them but I'd rather give my money where I know it's going to good use
I even remember my parents struggling when I was growing up in the last recession, they were scraping by on what they had and they watched our neighbours get handouts they didn't need. It's not a recent occurrence this has been going on for years. The people who work for them are so sincere its just unfortunate that not all the people are.0 -
OK. So some bloke needs to get free food so he has the cash for his slab of beer. So what. Live and let live. Maybe not having his beer may lead to domestic abuse/violence.
I'm not making excuses but sometimes there's more to it than meets the eye.
Judgement is dangerous as nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors or behind the front that any individual is putting up.
We are all constantly judging others (for better or worse) but usually it's based on our own experiences without taking the experiences and circumstances of others into account - circumstances that we often have no understanding or even the remotest comprehension of.
The Capuchins have long standing experience in this regard so leave them to it and donate if you can. The cause is a more than worthy one.
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Originally Posted by samina
I don't know where you live but where I live they do the rounds weekly handing out money, food and used to give a weeks holiday in a mobile somewhere don't know if they still do this. True they might not be paying for their bolidays in Spain maybe they are giving it the batman instead. Like I say they all work or collect the lone parents and live with their working partners. So he's I do begrudge people getting things for free when there are people who need it and could be getting more only for these people, not that I begrudge them getting it only because I don't because if I had the morals of a dog
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Chuck Stone wrote: »That's just from the first two pages of threads.
I would advocate that you be ignored.
Fascist. That's just from your reply to me. Such irony when an anti-fascist calls on censorship and for others to ignore someone. It always amuses me.
And hehe, yeah I'm proud of those contributions over the years. 0 -
Fascist. That's just from your reply to me. Such irony when an anti-fascist calls on censorship and for others to ignore someone. It always amuses me.
And hehe, yeah I'm proud of those contributions over the years.
I didn't say you should be censored. I think people like you should be allowed to soap box your utter crap.
In fact I'd actually fight for your freedom to spout such paranoid pseudo-scientific nonsense.
I still think you should be ignored though. You're so far outside the spectrum of people I'd be interested in spending my time on replying to that it's not even funny.
I will not respond to your nonsense but reserve the option of directing people to the above post so as to save them the trouble of taking you seriously.
Proud liberal.0 -
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