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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Landlords can **** right off.
    Brilliant post, love the research and the reasoning behind it.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    smash wrote: »
    I understand that we're in a lot of debt, but this charge is horse shít considering the level of cuts needed in the ps that aren't happening!

    QUOTE]

    they have tried to cut sw and ps and it failed, they need to recoup the money, if we protest on this, it will come in somewhere else, its silly to keep fighting this as it has to happen, its not the first and wont be the last tax sneaking in, the sooner people realise that this isnt done to 'screw us over' its done because they have no other option... do you really think this was decided lightly, or that the government WANT this... if people put their personal finances aside and looked at the bigger picture... things become a tad clearer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    they have tried to cut sw and ps and it failed, they need to recoup the money,
    It failed because they were bullied by the unions. The croke park agreement is a joke!
    if we protest on this, it will come in somewhere else, its silly to keep fighting this as it has to happen, its not the first and wont be the last tax sneaking in
    That's the bigger problem, taxes do not go away. This will stay and will go up every year. The country is already too expensive!
    the sooner people realise that this isnt done to 'screw us over' its done because they have no other option...
    Not true!
    do you really think this was decided lightly, or that the government WANT this...
    Yes, they do want it. It will be a constant income for them going forward.
    if people put their personal finances aside and looked at the bigger picture... things become a tad clearer
    No they don't, personal finance get people by day by day, and this tax is reducing that amount further.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    smash wrote: »
    I understand that we're in a lot of debt, but this charge is horse shít considering the level of cuts needed in the ps that aren't happening!

    QUOTE]

    they have tried to cut sw and ps and it failed, they need to recoup the money, if we protest on this, it will come in somewhere else, its silly to keep fighting this as it has to happen, its not the first and wont be the last tax sneaking in, the sooner people realise that this isnt done to 'screw us over' its done because they have no other option... do you really think this was decided lightly, or that the government WANT this... if people put their personal finances aside and looked at the bigger picture... things become a tad clearer

    That's about the size of it - this was agreed with the last government and in order to keep the money coming in these measures have to be brought in.

    The CPA will be reviewed very shortly as will social welfare. They stopped short of cutting these now because they need them for next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    smash wrote: »
    People have to stop thinking like this. It's not a monthly charge. It's annual!

    Same thing, 27c a day, €8.33 or €100 a year, you still have to pay it. I would imagine most people do a monthly budget (as most people are paid monthly) and not a yearly budget, so that's why most people would think like this.
    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Do you actually believe it will be €100 in 5 years time?
    lol.

    Of course not, it will probably be a much fairer tax by that time based on the either the value or size of the property, which will better reflect what a person can afford to pay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    jester77 wrote: »
    Same thing, 27c a day, €8.33 or €100 a year, you still have to pay it. I would imagine most people do a monthly budget (as most people are paid monthly) and not a yearly budget, so that's why most people would think like this.



    Of course not, it will probably be a much fairer tax by that time based on the either the value or size of the property, which will better reflect what a person can afford to pay.

    :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jester77 wrote: »
    Same thing, 27c a day, €8.33 or €100 a year, you still have to pay it. I would imagine most people do a monthly budget (as most people are paid monthly) and not a yearly budget, so that's why most people would think like this.

    You might as well say "Do you want a Lamborghini for €50 a month" and then saying "Ok, well give me €200k now then"

    It's not a monthly charge.
    jester77 wrote: »
    Of course not, it will probably be a much fairer tax by that time based on the either the value or size of the property, which will better reflect what a person can afford to pay.
    This is also not true. There are houses out there worth a few million that the owners purchased for next to nothing back in the day. This method could force people out of their family home!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    smash wrote: »
    You might as well say "Do you want a Lamborghini for €50 a month" and then saying "Ok, well give me €200k now then"

    It's not a monthly charge.


    This is also not true. There are houses out there worth a few million that the owners purchased for next to nothing back in the day. This method could force people out of their family home!
    There's not a lot of houses worth 'a few million' nowadays.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    There's not a lot of houses worth 'a few million' nowadays.
    Yes there are actually. min price search on daft for 1m returned 512 properties. And that's only properties for sale, not total properties in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    smash wrote: »
    You might as well say "Do you want a Lamborghini for €50 a month" and then saying "Ok, well give me €200k now then"

    It's not a monthly charge.

    Never said it was a monthly charge. But when you sit down at the end of the month to do your monthly budget, you will be putting away €8.33 for it. It's not as if you will wait until the end of the year and hope you have €100 sitting there to pay for it.
    smash wrote: »
    This is also not true. There are houses out there worth a few million that the owners purchased for next to nothing back in the day. This method could force people out of their family home!

    Doubt too many are worth a few million. Plus if you are living in such a mansion, I'm sure you could well afford the tax. Doubt there are many poor people living in millionaire mansions!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 stebe


    We have to look at it from the point of view of short term pain, long term gain! €2 a week is not a lot to anybody know matter how poor you are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jester77 wrote: »
    when you sit down at the end of the month to do your monthly budget, you will be putting away €8.33 for it. It's not as if you will wait until the end of the year and hope you have €100 sitting there to pay for it.
    do you honestly think this happens?
    jester77 wrote: »
    Doubt too many are worth a few million. Plus if you are living in such a mansion, I'm sure you could well afford the tax. Doubt there are many poor people living in millionaire mansions!
    Everything is relative, don't be naive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    smash wrote: »
    Yes there are actually. min price search on daft for 1m returned 512 properties. And that's only properties for sale, not total properties in Ireland.


    Don't know if asking prices on Daft are a reliable indicator of the market - some of the prices being looked for by people selling in my area are still at 2007 levels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    smash wrote: »
    do you honestly think this happens?

    I would hope it happens, how else does a person know what their earning and spending? That is unless you are absolutely minted and don't have to worry about expenses, but that wouldn't apply to most people.
    smash wrote: »
    Everything is relative, don't be naive.

    That's what I was getting at. The property tax will be relative to the price or size of the property. Someone who owns a millionaire mansion either had to pay a lot of money relevant to the time it was bought or they had to pay a large amount of inheritance tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    smash wrote: »
    Yes there are actually. min price search on daft for 1m returned 512 properties. And that's only properties for sale, not total properties in Ireland.


    If you are living in a house that's worth millions then the liklihood is that you have a good job, with a good income and send you children to private school.

    A property tax won't be forcing these people out of their homes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 mmm76


    Its the "get the foot in the door" attitude of the gov that gets me.Its €100 now but like a lot of people are fearing ,it'll be over €1000+++ in a year or two.Also what the hell are we gettin in return for our few quid.I live in Galway where the water is undrinkable,the housing estate I live in has no management co and council won't take over so we clean and maintain areas ourselves.In other words we get no help from gov here so I sure as hell won't be paying for fresh air.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Brilliant post, love the research and the reasoning behind it.


    Wtf are you blathering about?

    wrote:
    Tenants should pick up landlords' household charge: IPOA
    Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 04:09 PM

    People who rent their homes could be hit with the €100 household charge announced in last week's Budget, if the body representing landlords gets its way.

    The Irish Property Owners Association said landlords in the private rental sector could not afford the charge in addition to the second home tax of €200, introduced in 2009.

    The organisation has advised landlords to write to tenants outlining a monthly service charge of €25 (€300 per year) to cover the household charge and the second home tax.

    Spokesperson for the housing agency Threshold senator Aideen Hayden called the IPOA's move "outrageous".

    "It was made very clear by Minister Phil Hogan that the household charge was a charge on the owner of the property, and not on the tenant," she said.

    "In fact, that's specifically stated - it is not a charge for a tenant in the private rental sector."


    Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/tenants-should-pick-up-landlords-household-charge-ipoa-532358.html#ixzz1giAspe4f


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    smash wrote: »
    Yes there are actually. min price search on daft for 1m returned 512 properties. And that's only properties for sale, not total properties in Ireland.
    1 million is not 'a few million'. A few million would be €3 million plus.
    Check daft.ie, there's 21!
    Anyway, off topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jester77 wrote: »
    Someone who owns a millionaire mansion either had to pay a lot of money relevant to the time it was bought or they had to pay a large amount of inheritance tax.
    daltonmd wrote: »
    If you are living in a house that's worth millions then the liklihood is that you have a good job, with a good income and send you children to private school.

    A property tax won't be forcing these people out of their homes.

    Seriously, both of you need to stop thinking that most people in big houses are loaded. It's simply not true. There are thousands of people who could afford to buy houses years ago, then the house prices rose, or they were made unemployed etc. What someone can afford to pay is relative to their earnings, not the size of the house they live in!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Wtf are you blathering about?
    It's called the 'principle residence tax' for a reason. It's designed so people will pay for services provided by each local council. Do people who rent not use these services? You can copy and paste all day if you like......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It's called the 'principle residence tax' for a reason. It's designed so people will pay for services provided by each local council. Do people who rent not use these services? You can copy and paste all day if you like......

    Sure, this is Citizens Information.
    If you own a dwelling, you will be liable for the Household Charge, subject to the exemptions and waivers listed below. If your house is rented out, you will be liable for the charge – not your tenant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    smash wrote: »
    Seriously, both of you need to stop thinking that most people in big houses are loaded. It's simply not true. There are thousands of people who could afford to buy houses years ago, then the house prices rose, or they were made unemployed etc. What someone can afford to pay is relative to their earnings, not the size of the house they live in!


    Nope, that's not what you said and not what I said.

    You didn't say big houses you said "houses that are worth millions" - big difference.

    If you live in a house that is today, still worth millions, then you live in Dalkey or in Ballsbridge - you did not get out there by selling your 2up 2down in ballyer - no matter what price they were going to.

    A property tax will NOT force these people, living in their houses that are worth millions, out of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Half the knobs on here are willing to let the Govt charge them whatever the hell they like in a few years time? (but sure its only a hundred euro, every one should pay it blah blah blah) Seemingly we've learnt nothing over the years from the other hidden charges, stealth taxes and so on.


    I just don't get the sheer stupidness, and ignorance of some supposedly intelligent people on this thread. We actually come across as nation of cowards, not to mention idiots the way we repeatedly bow down and don't challenge a single thing thrown at us.

    I'm no keyboard warrior, I'll stick to my guns on this one.


    Household tax?

    Do one Mr Minister!:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    daltonmd wrote: »
    Nope, that's not what you said and not what I said.

    You didn't say big houses you said "houses that are worth millions" - big difference.

    It's the same principle. Circumstances change for people. How much you can afford to pay is relative to your income and nothing else!
    daltonmd wrote: »
    A property tax will NOT force these people, living in their houses that are worth millions, out of them.
    A value based tax could do exactly that!

    And all this talk of €2 a week is rubbish! With this, plus carbon tax on fuel, VAT on everything, increase in motor tax, price increases across esb and gas it's more like €15-€20 a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    smash wrote: »
    But what about 5 years time when it's €1,000 a year?

    I know it won't stay at 100 a year and once it's in in principle, it's in for good, but it still catches up with you. It's like the bin charges and water rates and so on, it might be 10 years down the road but they will sting you one day.
    It is what it is, they promised not to increase income tax, but there was never any way they weren't going to increase overall tax. If people don't pay a household tax, they'll just call it something else and stop it at source if neccesary.
    One way or another, everyone is going to pay.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I know it won't stay at 100 a year and once it's in in principle, it's in for good, but it still catches up with you. It's like the bin charges and water rates and so on, it might be 10 years down the road but they will sting you one day.

    The difference is that bin charges and water rates can be monitored and you can minimise your spend. With a household charge you just bend over and take it. Which I wont!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    smash wrote: »
    It's the same principle. Circumstances change for people. How much you can afford to pay is relative to your income and nothing else!


    A value based tax could do exactly that!

    And all this talk of €2 a week is rubbish! With this, plus carbon tax on fuel, VAT on everything, increase in motor tax, price increases across esb and gas it's more like €15-€20 a week.


    it's not the same principle at all smash. it's like saying that if you buy a Jaguar when you earn 200k a year then should you lose that job and fall on hard times that you should keep the car, while on the dole and apply for exemptions for motor tax - that's not the way it works, if you can't afford to drive the car you sell it. If you can't afford to live in Dalkey then you best scale down to where you can afford.

    Circumstances change and when that happens so does behaviour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    I know it won't stay at 100 a year and once it's in in principle, it's in for good, but it still catches up with you. It's like the bin charges and water rates and so on, it might be 10 years down the road but they will sting you one day.
    It is what it is, they promised not to increase income tax, but there was never any way they weren't going to increase overall tax. If people don't pay a household tax, they'll just call it something else and stop it at source if neccesary.
    One way or another, everyone is going to pay.

    That's what is going to happen. Then in the next election we'll punish Labour and FG, we'll listen to the promises of FF, how they won't raise taxes, how they'll do away with this tax and that tax - and then the cycle will start all over again.

    you get the government that you deserve...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    daltonmd wrote: »
    it's not the same principle at all smash. it's like saying that if you buy a Jaguar when you earn 200k a year then should you lose that job and fall on hard times that you should keep the car, while on the dole and apply for exemptions for motor tax - that's not the way it works, if you can't afford to drive the car you sell it. If you can't afford to live in Dalkey then you best scale down to where you can afford.

    Circumstances change and when that happens so does behaviour.

    I'm not talking about people paying mortgages, I'm talking about people that own houses!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    smash wrote: »
    I'm not talking about people paying mortgages, I'm talking about people that own houses!

    ?? You've lost me now.

    the point that I am trying to make is that if you live in homes of above 1 million then these are in wealthy affluent areas. it isn't Ballyfermot of Finglas. It's Dalkey and the like - if you still live there when your circumstances have changed then you shouldn't be, because you can't afford to live there anymore.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 Malignant Paddy


    jester77 wrote: »
    Same thing, 27c a day, €8.33 or €100 a year, you still have to pay it. I would imagine most people do a monthly budget (as most people are paid monthly) and not a yearly budget, so that's why most people would think like this.



    Of course not, it will probably be a much fairer tax by that time based on the either the value or size of the property, which will better reflect what a person can afford to pay.

    Needed a laugh, not just any old laugh, but a real moment of comedic genius.

    Jester, you are very talented, your humour is dry and somewhat tongue in cheek, but I like it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    I am paying it. I agree with property taxes. I won't be paying the 2% VAT increase.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    You can imagine the scum in the IMF and the EU looking at this thread thinking "those Irish fools will take anything, what tax will we hit them with next to make up for private banking losses?".

    Kenny the Collaborator standing by waiting to hear from our European overlords.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,748 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I know it won't stay at 100 a year and once it's in in principle, it's in for good, but it still catches up with you. It's like the bin charges and water rates and so on, it might be 10 years down the road but they will sting you one day.
    It is what it is, they promised not to increase income tax, but there was never any way they weren't going to increase overall tax. If people don't pay a household tax, they'll just call it something else and stop it at source if neccesary.
    One way or another, everyone is going to pay.

    You are right. BUT I will make it as difficult as I can for them. I still have not being told what benefits I will receive from them if I pay the Property Tax .... eventually.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    A property tax was recommended by the Commission on Taxation, and its report outlines why exactly they think its desirable.

    It does make sense to a.) broaden the tax base and b.) move away from the current property tax regime based around stamp duty which was very much dependent on the level of activity in the market.

    The other thing we have to remember is that if the government doesn't use this, it would find another way to raise the money. That €100 would be coming out of our pay cheques either way.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Nice to see the Irish infatuation with property has persisted after the boom years :rolleyes:

    "But it's my house, i should have to pay any taxes on it to the Brits government!"

    It's an international norm. We need to drag ourselves out of our "I own it, **** you", former colony, property is sacred mentality. The money from this tax will go toward paying the 40% of our budget that goes on social welfare, it will go to paying for the health system, the guards, and the huge debt we acquired from being too greedy etc.

    We can either ask people to pay this minuscule tax or we can cut the state pension, close more hospital wards and take cops of the streets.

    You can't just pick and choose what you think are the "fair" taxes and pay only them and then expect there to be no cuts elsewhere in services. I for one will be paying this tax as soon as is possible. I want to contribute to this country getting back on it's feet. The people complain about "getting shafted" are being completely selfish and expecting a miracle recovery in our collective fortunes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Carter P Fly


    I was talking to a girl in work who owns her own apartment who is convinced she doesnt have to pay this tax as it doesnt apply to her because she gets mortgage intrest relief!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    I was talking to a girl in work who owns her own apartment who is convinced she doesnt have to pay this tax as it doesnt apply to her because she gets mortgage intrest relief!!

    She's confusing herself with someone who gets Mortgage interest Supplement.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I was talking to a girl in work who owns her own apartment who is convinced she doesnt have to pay this tax as it doesnt apply to her because she gets mortgage intrest relief!!

    It's waived for people on Mortgage Interest Supplement, not Mortgage Interest Relief.

    EDIT: What he said ^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Carter P Fly


    Exactly what we said to her but it just fell on deaf ears, 'Im not paying it because Im exempt' and she was sticking to it!!!

    Wondering how many people on this thead think they're exempt because theyre a little bit slow on the uptake?


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Exactly what we said to her but it just fell on deaf ears, 'Im not paying it because Im exempt' and she was sticking to it!!!

    if she's truly convinced of that, she should have no problem when one of you report her to the Revenue. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,748 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There are still a lot of sheeple around. They won't stop believing F.G. and their policies until they have no arse in their trousers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 526 ✭✭✭7Sins


    http://www.tv3.ie/news.php?request=&tv3_preview=&video=43495

    Isn't this absolutely shocking! Hah?! Incredible stuff altogether. A village in Galway only getting running water now! Where the hell were these people for the past 10 years? I never heard any protest about them not having running water. I honestly thought there was no place in this country without running water. I really can't believe this and their council has the audacity to say it's an early christmas present for them (they're getting it in Jan) I'm outraged and they think they can ask me for a property tax to fund their mercedez and free dinners. My area didn't getting water until the late 80's and I thought that was bad.

    Have you guys got running water yet? Are ye just keeping quiet incase the big bad council bullies you into prison?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 Malignant Paddy


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Wtf are you blathering about?

    Not sure what it is I signed up to here, piss and much wind for the most part it seems.

    A nation of sheep who in the end, despite all the flatulent rhetoric, will no doubt continue to line up with their pants down and submit to the fiscal colonoscopic examinations that the top 5% have planned and schedued for them.

    What a bunch of losers. At least we can always continue to excel in our all time favourite field of endeavour. Cyclical unemployment. Yes, no-one does unemployment as well or as often as Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    daltonmd wrote: »
    ?? You've lost me now.

    the point that I am trying to make is that if you live in homes of above 1 million then these are in wealthy affluent areas. it isn't Ballyfermot of Finglas. It's Dalkey and the like - if you still live there when your circumstances have changed then you shouldn't be, because you can't afford to live there anymore.
    it's not hard to comprehend that there are people who bought house, have paid off their mortgages, worked hard to do it, property prices went higher, are now retired and might have to pay a tax based on the current value of their house, that they might have paid off 10 or 15 years ago!

    In these cases, and there are thousands of them, they might not be able to afford it.

    There's also people in apparents paying in excess of a thousand a year on maintenance fees and now will have to pay an ownership tax on top of it, they probably can't afford it either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭simit


    I'm only renting but if my lanlord tries to pass the charge on to me, he'll be getting his keys handed back to him.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    A nation of sheep who in the end, despite all the flatulent rhetoric, will no doubt continue to line up with their pants down and submit to the fiscal colonoscopic examinations that the top 5% have planned and schedued for them.

    Go on, enlighten us. What's your alternative?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    simit wrote: »
    I'm only renting but if my lanlord tries to pass the charge on to me, he'll be getting his keys handed back to him.

    What if every other landlord you go to tries to pass on the charge as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    smash wrote: »
    The difference is that bin charges and water rates can be monitored and you can minimise your spend. With a household charge you just bend over and take it. Which I wont!

    You eventually will (or someone else will when you die).

    Late payment penalties will apply as follows :

    Payments made within 3 and 6 months of January 2012 – a 10% penalty.
    Payments made between 6 and 12 months late – a 20% penalty.
    Payments more than 12 months late – a 30% penalty plus 1% interest per month

    So – if someone is 12 months late paying the €100 household charge – they will owe €130 plus another €12 interest – a total of €142.


    If charges remain unpaid a charge will remain attached to the property

    Selling House : A vendor of a residential property must pay any household charge, late payment fee and late payment interest due on the property and give a certificate of discharge, exemption or waiver in respect of each liability date during the vendor’s ownership to a purchaser on or before the sale or transfer can be completed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    You eventually will (or someone else will when you die).

    Late payment penalties will apply as follows :

    Payments made within 3 and 6 months of January 2012 – a 10% penalty.
    Payments made between 6 and 12 months late – a 20% penalty.
    Payments more than 12 months late – a 30% penalty plus 1% interest per month

    So – if someone is 12 months late paying the €100 household charge – they will owe €130 plus another €12 interest – a total of €142.


    If charges remain unpaid a charge will remain attached to the property

    Selling House : A vendor of a residential property must pay any household charge, late payment fee and late payment interest due on the property and give a certificate of discharge, exemption or waiver in respect of each liability date during the vendor’s ownership to a purchaser on or before the sale or transfer can be completed.

    That's only if the citizens of this country lay down like a bunch of cowards and continue to have their income taken off them to pay off gamblers' losses.

    Don't pay.


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