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State of the Nation address thread
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Thomas Pringle's speech was pretty cringe worthy, I hate that particular Donegal accent, but he made good points. Neill Blayney could speak in his day but make not that much sense, he just sounded good!
Kenny seems a bit Country and Western for me, Albert Reynolds the same in the early nineties. It's just an accent.
David Andrews of FF, Colley of FF was a good speaker, Yates and Shatter for FG, Dillon for FG in the 50's.
O'Caoimhan of SF is a good speaker.
TL;DR, Listen to what he says, not how an accent makes a person appear! Kenny still talked crap though.Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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in this country, the quality of people who go in to politics is very low.
and what makes you think that, when we have sophisticated intellectuals like Mattie Mcgrath
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Merge with the Address thread, even though this could be a "I hate my own accent thread"0
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Merge with the Address thread, even though this could be a "I hate my own accent thread"0
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Tbh, I find his accent fine.
We were all talking about his hands during the speech
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Why is that vid full of pics of people shopping? . I know it's the Telegraph but that's showing the British people a totally contradictory image...
But yeah, his hands! It was as if his left hand had a mind of its own. Maybe he was being periodically electrocuted to keep him awake? :P0 -
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My accent is lovely. Kenny sounds like a throwback to the minister for funny walks, don't get hung up on the accent, feel the quality of the sh1te he spouts, the size of the lies, the swoop of the U-turns and the stench of his cronyism. The feckin accent is just the turd on the top of the dung heap.
Just some of the U-turns:
Bondholders
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“Is it Labour’s way or Frankfurt way” – Eamon Gilmore; “Fine Gael in
Government will force certain classes of bondholders to share in the cost of
recapitalising troubled financial institutions” – Manifesto.
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In government, they refuse to impose losses on the €3.5 billion of unsecured,
unguaranteed senior bondholders at Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide
Building Society (INBS).
They are still refusing to burn them! Amazing!
Third Level Fees
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“Labour is opposed to third-level fees by either the front or back doors” –
Gilmore.
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Now Quinn refuses to rule out increased student fees in the future.
Student Services Charge.
NOW FEES HAVE GONE UP!
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Quinn signed a USI election pledge to reverse the €500 increase in the
Student Services Charge in Budget 2011.
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Refused to do so once in Government, and won’t rule out increases to it in the
future.
Recapitalisation
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Varadkar said that not another “red cent” would be put into the banks.
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The Central Bank announced in March 2011 that the banks would require
€24bn. €19bn of this will be met by the taxpayer by July 2011.
Bank Directors
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Pledged to “re-structure boards and replace and directors who presided over
failed lending practices.”
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BOI appointed 4 pre-2008 directors; AIB has 3 non-exec directors still in
place; Irish Life and Permanent still has one.
Force Banks to Cut their Interest Rates
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The Programme for Government promised that banks in receipt of state
support would be forced to forego a 25 basis point increase on their variable
rate mortgage.
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Despite cuts by the ECB to interest rates, NIB is pressing ahead with raising
rates, and other banks are refusing to lower theirs.
Mortgages Interest Relief
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The Programme for Government has a commitment to abolish mortgage
interest relief for new buyers from June this year in order to finance an
increase in relief for those who bought their homes from 2004-2008.
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Now Michael Noonan says “it is unlikely that any measures will be introduced
before Budget 2012.”
Sell the EBS
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During the election Fine Gael pledged to sell EBS.
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EBS has now been merged with AIB.
Medium Term Loans to Irish Banks
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Michael Noonan “We need medium-term facilities from the ECB so that the
liquidity problems in the Irish banks are not addressed on a fortnightly basis
with a rollover of the liquidity funding every two weeks.”
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It now appears this is not going to happen – The ECB rejected it.
The EU-IMF Deal
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The EU/IMF deal was a “bad deal for Ireland.” ( Eamon Gilmore), “a disaster
and an obscenity” (Micheal Noonan)
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After election: Eamon Gilmore said: “It was never going to be the case that
the renegotiation of the agreement was something that was going to be done
in one great big bang.”
Income Tax
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FG 5 point plan: No new taxes including no income tax increases
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Minister Noonan: “I am not going to rule out any tax initiative, or any tax
increase or any tax reduction.”
Universal Social Charge NOW INCREASED TO €132 A MONTH
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The PfG states: “We will review the Universal Social Charge”.
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No review now forthcoming; Noonan robustly defends the levy in the Dail
saying the “universal social charge is progressive.” He added: “It is hard to
argue that is regressive; that is one of the more progressive taxes one will
find.”
Budget 2011
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FG & Lab voted against Budget 2011.
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Now it seems they’re only too happy to take ownership of the budget and
boast about the adjustments that have been achieved to date.
More Pay Cuts to Public Servants
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They opposed the public sector pension levy – “It is a crude and unfair
system.” (Brendan Howlin)
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Now they won’t rule out more cuts to public service pay.
Jobs Budget
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FG promised a Jobs Budget within 100 days.
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The jobs budget then became a mere revenue neutral “jobs initiative”, with no
jobs target.
Getting People Back to Work
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FG Election Slogan: Let’s Get Ireland Working
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Latest Live Register figures show unemployment stagnant – the jobs initiative
failed, the New Era jobs didn’t materialise, and the Medium Term Fiscal
Statement acknowledges unemployment will rise next year.
New Era Jobs
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Enda Kenny boasted that “New Era plan will create over 105,000 jobs.”
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At its launch in Sept, there was no mention of jobs it would create, and no
mention of cost.
New Era Funding
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The Programme for Government and the Fine Gael manifesto state that it
would funded through the sale of state assets.
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However, the EU/IMF agreement clearly states -“It is important to make
effective use of our state assets and, where appropriate, dispose of them to
help reduce our government debt.”
State Assets
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Programme for Government: “We will target up to €2 billion in sales of nonstrategic
state assets.”
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It now looks like up to €5bn of assets, strategic or otherwise, will be sold.
Strategic Investment Bank
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The Programme for Government states “we will establish a Strategic
Investment Bank”.
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Kenny, September 2011: “A Strategic Investment Bank would be difficult to
implement in current market conditions.”
Upward Only Rent Reviews
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The Programme for Govt states: “We will legislate to end upward only rent
reviews for existing leases.”
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Each time the Justice Minister has been asked about it, he’s fudged the issue.
Protecting the Low Paid
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Labour Manifesto pledged to reform JLCs in a way that protects the most
vulnerable workers.
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Jobs Minister Richard Bruton is dragging his feet on introducing a reformed
JLC system, leaving workers vulnerable since July.
Competition & Consumer Protection
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FG Manifesto: Promised a new “powerful consumer champion”, giving it
“additional powers – by constitutional change if necessary – to break up
public and private sector monopolies and cartels.”
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No mention of this in Competition Bill 2011, and no commitment to
constitutional change.
Ban on Corporate Donations
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The Programme for Government clearly states “we will introduce the
necessary legal and constitutional provisions to ban corporate donations to
political parties.”
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The Bill allows corporate donations to continue and Enda Kenny has
confirmed that there will be no constitutional ban put to the people.
Severance Pay for Senior Civil Servants
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There will be no more “golden handshakes” for public servants that have
failed to deliver.
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Big payoffs for senior civil servants continue.
Reducing the number of TDs
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FG had previously promised to reduce the number of TDs by 20
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The Electoral Act proposes a cut of as little as 6 TDs.
Constitution Day
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Enda Kenny, April 2011: “We will set out a programme to allow for a series of
constitutional amendments to be decided on what we called “Constitution
day”, to be held within 12 months of the new Government being formed.”
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Little mention of it since
The Seanad
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Both parties pledged to abolish the Seanad.
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There was no mention in the legislative agenda of legislation to scrap the
Seanad.
Child Benefit
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During the election campaign Eamon Gilmore identified child benefit as a red
line issue. Labour’s “Every Little Hurts" advertising campaign lambasted Fine
Gael for their proposed cuts in the child benefit rates
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Joan Burton has since refused to give an explicit commitment on child benefit
rates.
NOW BEING CUT
Social Welfare Rates
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The Programme for Government clearly states “We will maintain social
welfare rates”
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Joan Burton has continuously refused to give an explicit commitment on
headline rates.
National Educational Psychological Service
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Ruairi Quinn promised to provide “€3m to reverse the cut in the National
Educational Psychological Service.”
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He has made no mention of this commitment since then
Water Charges & Utility Charges
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Labour previously said they would be opposed to the introduction of flat rate
water charges “A flat water charge is not something that we’re going to
introduce.”
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The government has now admitted that two charges are on the way by 2013,
a flat rate household utility charge (by 2012) and water charges.
Household Charge
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“We’re not in favour of a tax on the family home” – Gilmore
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July 2011: Phil Hogan announced the introduction of a €100 flat rate
household charge which is to be applied to the 1.6 million households in the
country.
Irish Water
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Fine Gael’s plans for the setting up of a new water company introducing water
charges featured heavily in its New Politics policy document published in
March 2010.
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However, FG has now admitted that they have no plan for the setting up of
this company, no idea of the timeline involved and have also admitted that
there are significant legal and administrative changes involved in transferring
water services from local authorities to the new water company.
Stag Hunting
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FG Manifesto p27: “Fine Gael will reverse the ban on stag hunting”; Junior
Minister Shane McEntee (Meath East) told the Seanad on 25th Oct that
legislation reversing the ban was forthcoming.
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8th Nov – Kenny spokesperson: McEntee was “expressing an opinion” and
there was “no commitment” to reverse the ban.
Turf Cutting
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Fine Gael Manifesto: “It is premature to cease the cutting of turf for domestic
purposes in 2011”; Roscommon TD Frank Feighan said he would “sign in his
own blood” the future of turf-cutting.
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27th Sept: Deenihan signs regulations making turf cutting on Special Areas of
Conservation a criminal offence, and allows for the confiscation of turf cutting
machinery.
Climate Change
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Programme for Government: “We will publish a Climate Change Bill.”
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This was dropped by Phil Hogan in November 2011.
Garda Numbers
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Shatter said in December 2010 that a reduction in Garda numbers would
“obstruct the battle against crime”
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“The job of this Government is to reduce public expenditure, not to increase it.
That is as applicable across the justice sector as it is in other sectors.”
Triple Lock
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FG manifesto: “We believe that the Triple Lock must be modified to allow
Ireland participate in peacekeeping missions. The failure of the UN Security
Council to pass a resolution should not prevent us from taking part in
overseas missions.”
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Shatter: “As matters stand the triple lock remains part and parcel of Govt.
policy”.
Government Jet
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FG Manifesto: “We will introduce a new code of practice for the use of the
government jet ensuring cost effective and transparent travel. To stamp out
any abuse, cheaper commercial alternatives must be taken when possible.”
Transport spokesperson Simon Coveney said last year: Jets were “being
abused” by Ministers.
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Oct 2011: Jet had been used 24 times at a total cost to the taxpayer of almost
€14m, including a trip to Cork for the Taoiseach and a trip to Algeria for
Coveney.
Junior Ministers
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FG pledged they would cut the number of junior Ministers to 12.
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Once elected they appointed 15 Junior Ministers.
Quangos
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Fine Gael pledged to abolish 145 quangos in their document Reinventing
Government.
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By end Oct 2011, they had abolished 5, but had created 8.
Guillotining of Legislation
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Enda Kenny, July 2010: “I do not accept the Government’s guillotining of Bills
in any shape or form.”
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By November 2011 they had guillotined almost a dozen Bills.
Staff in Constituency Offices
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FG pledged to reduce ministerial staff allocated to work on constituency
matters to two per Minister
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In March 2011 it was announced that ministers will keep 4 staff each in their
constituency office.
Constituency Work
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Enda Kenny promised to direct all Ministers to focus entirely on their new
portfolios in the first 100 days and completely avoid constituency work.
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However, Kenny himself repeatedly broke this promise with dozens of
appointments in Mayo every week.
Ministers’ Advisors
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Ministerial advisors will be subject to salary caps
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Most Ministers’ advisors have breached the cap.
Cronyism
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They promised an end to cronyism and transparency in board appointments.
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FG & Labour members and donors have been appointed as Judges and to
the boards of Quangos.
Transparency in Appointments
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FG and Lab Manifestos: They promised vetting of appointments to state
boards by the Oireachtas.
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Party political appointments have been made, without any oversight or
transparency. In October 2011, they appointed the former head of AIB
Investment Management as head of the New Era quango, without revealing
her pay or conditions.
Freedom of Information
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Programme for Government promised to legislate to restore the Freedom of
Information Act.
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No commitment for when legislation will be published on this.
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^^^ longer than longcat0
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...And thats only 250 days in of U-turns, two-faced actions and lies!
It makes the idea of democracy a bit of a farce. But we have brought this on ourselves, by consistently voting in our own self interest for the last 20 years or more. So only populist policies will get a government elected - any government that does not say what we want to hear will not get elected. Meaning of course that they will inevitably renege on their promises.
Under normal circumstances, If FG had said what they were actually going to do, then they wouldnt have got in. We all know that in this particular case they would have got in anyway because of the FF disaster. But I still maintain that the culture is now ingrained - we as a people have effectively created an environment where only populist bu**sh1t will get a party elected. And the main parties are now so accustomed to dishing out populist lies that they dont know any different.0 -
The words "Politician" and "Promises" so close together should send alarm bells ringing. Most are a bunch of spineless bastards. No sense of pride in our nation just doing what France and Germany want.0
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