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State of the Nation address thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Thomas Pringle's speech was pretty cringe worthy, I hate that particular Donegal accent, but he made good points. Neill Blayney could speak in his day but make not that much sense, he just sounded good!

    Kenny seems a bit Country and Western for me, Albert Reynolds the same in the early nineties. It's just an accent.

    David Andrews of FF, Colley of FF was a good speaker, Yates and Shatter for FG, Dillon for FG in the 50's.

    O'Caoimhan of SF is a good speaker.

    TL;DR, Listen to what he says, not how an accent makes a person appear! Kenny still talked crap though.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    gigino wrote: »
    in this country, the quality of people who go in to politics is very low.

    If only we had a Michael O'Leary leading the country.

    He'd charge us to use the toilets in our own homes..


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    gigino wrote: »
    in this country, the quality of people who go in to politics is very low.

    and what makes you think that, when we have sophisticated intellectuals like Mattie Mcgrath



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Merge with the Address thread, even though this could be a "I hate my own accent thread"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Solnskaya


    biko wrote: »
    Merge with the Address thread, even though this could be a "I hate my own accent thread"
    My accent is lovely. Kenny sounds like a throwback to the minister for funny walks, don't get hung up on the accent, feel the quality of the sh1te he spouts, the size of the lies, the swoop of the U-turns and the stench of his cronyism. The feckin accent is just the turd on the top of the dung heap.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Tbh, I find his accent fine.

    We were all talking about his hands during the speech :D



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    biko wrote: »

    Why is that vid full of pics of people shopping? :confused: . I know it's the Telegraph but that's showing the British people a totally contradictory image...

    But yeah, his hands! It was as if his left hand had a mind of its own. Maybe he was being periodically electrocuted to keep him awake? :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    you gotta tell it like it is......



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    My accent is lovely. Kenny sounds like a throwback to the minister for funny walks, don't get hung up on the accent, feel the quality of the sh1te he spouts, the size of the lies, the swoop of the U-turns and the stench of his cronyism. The feckin accent is just the turd on the top of the dung heap.

    Just some of the U-turns:


    Bondholders

    “Is it Labour’s way or Frankfurt way” – Eamon Gilmore; “Fine Gael in
    Government will force certain classes of bondholders to share in the cost of
    recapitalising troubled financial institutions” – Manifesto.

    In government, they refuse to impose losses on the €3.5 billion of unsecured,
    unguaranteed senior bondholders at Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide
    Building Society (INBS).
    They are still refusing to burn them! Amazing!



    Third Level Fees

    “Labour is opposed to third-level fees by either the front or back doors” –
    Gilmore.

    Now Quinn refuses to rule out increased student fees in the future.
    Student Services Charge.
    NOW FEES HAVE GONE UP!



    Quinn signed a USI election pledge to reverse the €500 increase in the
    Student Services Charge in Budget 2011.

    Refused to do so once in Government, and won’t rule out increases to it in the
    future.


    Recapitalisation

    Varadkar said that not another “red cent” would be put into the banks.

    The Central Bank announced in March 2011 that the banks would require
    €24bn. €19bn of this will be met by the taxpayer by July 2011.


    Bank Directors

    Pledged to “re-structure boards and replace and directors who presided over
    failed lending practices.”

    BOI appointed 4 pre-2008 directors; AIB has 3 non-exec directors still in
    place; Irish Life and Permanent still has one.
    Force Banks to Cut their Interest Rates



    The Programme for Government promised that banks in receipt of state
    support would be forced to forego a 25 basis point increase on their variable
    rate mortgage.

    Despite cuts by the ECB to interest rates, NIB is pressing ahead with raising
    rates, and other banks are refusing to lower theirs.


    Mortgages Interest Relief


    The Programme for Government has a commitment to abolish mortgage
    interest relief for new buyers from June this year in order to finance an
    increase in relief for those who bought their homes from 2004-2008.

    Now Michael Noonan says “it is unlikely that any measures will be introduced
    before Budget 2012.”


    Sell the EBS

    During the election Fine Gael pledged to sell EBS.

    EBS has now been merged with AIB.


    Medium Term Loans to Irish Banks

    Michael Noonan “We need medium-term facilities from the ECB so that the
    liquidity problems in the Irish banks are not addressed on a fortnightly basis
    with a rollover of the liquidity funding every two weeks.”

    It now appears this is not going to happen – The ECB rejected it.


    The EU-IMF Deal

    The EU/IMF deal was a “bad deal for Ireland.” ( Eamon Gilmore), “a disaster
    and an obscenity” (Micheal Noonan)

    After election: Eamon Gilmore said: “It was never going to be the case that
    the renegotiation of the agreement was something that was going to be done
    in one great big bang.”


    Income Tax

    FG 5 point plan: No new taxes including no income tax increases

    Minister Noonan: “I am not going to rule out any tax initiative, or any tax
    increase or any tax reduction.”
    Universal Social Charge NOW INCREASED TO €132 A MONTH



    The PfG states: “We will review the Universal Social Charge”.

    No review now forthcoming; Noonan robustly defends the levy in the Dail
    saying the “universal social charge is progressive.” He added: “It is hard to
    argue that is regressive; that is one of the more progressive taxes one will
    find.”


    Budget 2011

    FG & Lab voted against Budget 2011.

    Now it seems they’re only too happy to take ownership of the budget and
    boast about the adjustments that have been achieved to date.


    More Pay Cuts to Public Servants

    They opposed the public sector pension levy – “It is a crude and unfair
    system.” (Brendan Howlin)

    Now they won’t rule out more cuts to public service pay.


    Jobs Budget

    FG promised a Jobs Budget within 100 days.

    The jobs budget then became a mere revenue neutral “jobs initiative”, with no
    jobs target.


    Getting People Back to Work

    FG Election Slogan: Let’s Get Ireland Working

    Latest Live Register figures show unemployment stagnant – the jobs initiative
    failed, the New Era jobs didn’t materialise, and the Medium Term Fiscal
    Statement acknowledges unemployment will rise next year.


    New Era Jobs

    Enda Kenny boasted that “New Era plan will create over 105,000 jobs.”

    At its launch in Sept, there was no mention of jobs it would create, and no
    mention of cost.


    New Era Funding

    The Programme for Government and the Fine Gael manifesto state that it
    would funded through the sale of state assets.

    However, the EU/IMF agreement clearly states -“It is important to make
    effective use of our state assets and, where appropriate, dispose of them to
    help reduce our government debt.”


    State Assets

    Programme for Government: “We will target up to €2 billion in sales of nonstrategic
    state assets.”

    It now looks like up to €5bn of assets, strategic or otherwise, will be sold.


    Strategic Investment Bank

    The Programme for Government states “we will establish a Strategic
    Investment Bank”.

    Kenny, September 2011: “A Strategic Investment Bank would be difficult to
    implement in current market conditions.”


    Upward Only Rent Reviews

    The Programme for Govt states: “We will legislate to end upward only rent
    reviews for existing leases.”

    Each time the Justice Minister has been asked about it, he’s fudged the issue.
    Protecting the Low Paid



    Labour Manifesto pledged to reform JLCs in a way that protects the most
    vulnerable workers.

    Jobs Minister Richard Bruton is dragging his feet on introducing a reformed
    JLC system, leaving workers vulnerable since July.


    Competition & Consumer Protection

    FG Manifesto: Promised a new “powerful consumer champion”, giving it
    “additional powers – by constitutional change if necessary – to break up
    public and private sector monopolies and cartels.”

    No mention of this in Competition Bill 2011, and no commitment to
    constitutional change.


    Ban on Corporate Donations

    The Programme for Government clearly states “we will introduce the
    necessary legal and constitutional provisions to ban corporate donations to
    political parties.”

    The Bill allows corporate donations to continue and Enda Kenny has
    confirmed that there will be no constitutional ban put to the people.
    Severance Pay for Senior Civil Servants



    There will be no more “golden handshakes” for public servants that have
    failed to deliver.

    Big payoffs for senior civil servants continue.


    Reducing the number of TDs

    FG had previously promised to reduce the number of TDs by 20

    The Electoral Act proposes a cut of as little as 6 TDs.


    Constitution Day

    Enda Kenny, April 2011: “We will set out a programme to allow for a series of
    constitutional amendments to be decided on what we called “Constitution
    day”, to be held within 12 months of the new Government being formed.”

    Little mention of it since


    The Seanad

    Both parties pledged to abolish the Seanad.

    There was no mention in the legislative agenda of legislation to scrap the
    Seanad.


    Child Benefit

    During the election campaign Eamon Gilmore identified child benefit as a red
    line issue. Labour’s “Every Little Hurts" advertising campaign lambasted Fine
    Gael for their proposed cuts in the child benefit rates

    Joan Burton has since refused to give an explicit commitment on child benefit
    rates.
    NOW BEING CUT

    Social Welfare Rates

    The Programme for Government clearly states “We will maintain social
    welfare rates”

    Joan Burton has continuously refused to give an explicit commitment on
    headline rates.
    National Educational Psychological Service



    Ruairi Quinn promised to provide “€3m to reverse the cut in the National
    Educational Psychological Service.”

    He has made no mention of this commitment since then
    Water Charges & Utility Charges



    Labour previously said they would be opposed to the introduction of flat rate
    water charges “A flat water charge is not something that we’re going to
    introduce.”

    The government has now admitted that two charges are on the way by 2013,
    a flat rate household utility charge (by 2012) and water charges.
    Household Charge



    “We’re not in favour of a tax on the family home” – Gilmore

    July 2011: Phil Hogan announced the introduction of a €100 flat rate
    household charge which is to be applied to the 1.6 million households in the
    country.



    Irish Water

    Fine Gael’s plans for the setting up of a new water company introducing water
    charges featured heavily in its New Politics policy document published in
    March 2010.

    However, FG has now admitted that they have no plan for the setting up of
    this company, no idea of the timeline involved and have also admitted that
    there are significant legal and administrative changes involved in transferring
    water services from local authorities to the new water company.



    Stag Hunting

    FG Manifesto p27: “Fine Gael will reverse the ban on stag hunting”; Junior
    Minister Shane McEntee (Meath East) told the Seanad on 25th Oct that
    legislation reversing the ban was forthcoming.

    8th Nov – Kenny spokesperson: McEntee was “expressing an opinion” and
    there was “no commitment” to reverse the ban.


    Turf Cutting

    Fine Gael Manifesto: “It is premature to cease the cutting of turf for domestic
    purposes in 2011”; Roscommon TD Frank Feighan said he would “sign in his
    own blood” the future of turf-cutting.

    27th Sept: Deenihan signs regulations making turf cutting on Special Areas of
    Conservation a criminal offence, and allows for the confiscation of turf cutting
    machinery.


    Climate Change

    Programme for Government: “We will publish a Climate Change Bill.”

    This was dropped by Phil Hogan in November 2011.


    Garda Numbers

    Shatter said in December 2010 that a reduction in Garda numbers would
    “obstruct the battle against crime”

    “The job of this Government is to reduce public expenditure, not to increase it.
    That is as applicable across the justice sector as it is in other sectors.”


    Triple Lock

    FG manifesto: “We believe that the Triple Lock must be modified to allow
    Ireland participate in peacekeeping missions. The failure of the UN Security
    Council to pass a resolution should not prevent us from taking part in
    overseas missions.”

    Shatter: “As matters stand the triple lock remains part and parcel of Govt.
    policy”.


    Government Jet

    FG Manifesto: “We will introduce a new code of practice for the use of the
    government jet ensuring cost effective and transparent travel. To stamp out
    any abuse, cheaper commercial alternatives must be taken when possible.”
    Transport spokesperson Simon Coveney said last year: Jets were “being
    abused” by Ministers.

    Oct 2011: Jet had been used 24 times at a total cost to the taxpayer of almost
    €14m, including a trip to Cork for the Taoiseach and a trip to Algeria for
    Coveney.


    Junior Ministers

    FG pledged they would cut the number of junior Ministers to 12.

    Once elected they appointed 15 Junior Ministers.


    Quangos

    Fine Gael pledged to abolish 145 quangos in their document Reinventing
    Government.

    By end Oct 2011, they had abolished 5, but had created 8.


    Guillotining of Legislation

    Enda Kenny, July 2010: “I do not accept the Government’s guillotining of Bills
    in any shape or form.”

    By November 2011 they had guillotined almost a dozen Bills.


    Staff in Constituency Offices

    FG pledged to reduce ministerial staff allocated to work on constituency
    matters to two per Minister

    In March 2011 it was announced that ministers will keep 4 staff each in their
    constituency office.


    Constituency Work

    Enda Kenny promised to direct all Ministers to focus entirely on their new
    portfolios in the first 100 days and completely avoid constituency work.

    However, Kenny himself repeatedly broke this promise with dozens of
    appointments in Mayo every week.


    Ministers’ Advisors

    Ministerial advisors will be subject to salary caps


    Most Ministers’ advisors have breached the cap.


    Cronyism

    They promised an end to cronyism and transparency in board appointments.

    FG & Labour members and donors have been appointed as Judges and to
    the boards of Quangos.


    Transparency in Appointments

    FG and Lab Manifestos: They promised vetting of appointments to state
    boards by the Oireachtas.

    Party political appointments have been made, without any oversight or
    transparency. In October 2011, they appointed the former head of AIB
    Investment Management as head of the New Era quango, without revealing
    her pay or conditions.


    Freedom of Information

    Programme for Government promised to legislate to restore the Freedom of
    Information Act.

    No commitment for when legislation will be published on this.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    ^^^ longer than longcat


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    biko wrote: »
    ^^^ longer than longcat

    ...And thats only 250 days in of U-turns, two-faced actions and lies!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...And thats only 250 days in of U-turns, two-faced actions and lies!

    It makes the idea of democracy a bit of a farce. But we have brought this on ourselves, by consistently voting in our own self interest for the last 20 years or more. So only populist policies will get a government elected - any government that does not say what we want to hear will not get elected. Meaning of course that they will inevitably renege on their promises.

    Under normal circumstances, If FG had said what they were actually going to do, then they wouldnt have got in. We all know that in this particular case they would have got in anyway because of the FF disaster. But I still maintain that the culture is now ingrained - we as a people have effectively created an environment where only populist bu**sh1t will get a party elected. And the main parties are now so accustomed to dishing out populist lies that they dont know any different.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    The words "Politician" and "Promises" so close together should send alarm bells ringing. Most are a bunch of spineless bastards. No sense of pride in our nation just doing what France and Germany want.


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