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''Leader's'' Debate - TV3 - 8.00PM

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    #302
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    How many more of these farces do we have to endure until election day?

    Tonight convinced me that this whole televised leaders debate malarkey is pointless.

    It would be far better if they got out among the electorate. They should go to far flung constituencies like Roscommon/South Leitrim and make speeches in little heard of towns like Carrick-on-Shannon. No, wait, what...?


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    #303
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Is Matt Cooper wired or what?
    the level of debate was bloody woeful.


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    #304
    hotmail.com
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    Terri Prone - Martin Won

    Rafter - Gilmore Won

    Matt Cooper - Kenny Won, but Martin did well


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    #305
    Permabear
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    #306
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    And that stupid witch Terry Prone thinks that VB was a great moderator???

    Jesus wept!


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    #307
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    I couldn't vote for Labour after watching Gilmore tonight (and I was considering it). He was shocking. FG for me now.
    Ironic considering Kenny lacked the courage to even attempt to go up against a well polished MM. Who will you vote for if/when Kenny does decide to turn up and use Gerry Adams as a human shield to protect himself against Gilmore and Martin. If your going to base your vote on a PR management exercise (thats what a televised political debate is) then at least wait for the Kenny show to make your choice.


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    #308
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Love nor Money wrote: »
    Can you believe this post match analysis crap. That's how shallow politics is here (and everywhere I suppose): analysis of the performances! Who won who lost. Craaaaaap

    I'd rather see the Apres Match boys do the match analysis tbh


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    #309
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    The irony if that is the right word of being lectured to by teacher Martin as if he knows best and the last 14 years were nothing to do with him, and really he believes he/FF did the right thing.....Enda did the right thing.


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    #310
    folan
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    Dreadful debate. Helped me in no way.

    Now id like for a canvessor to turn up and explain to me what either of the parties will do.


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    #311
    Drumpot
    Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Scuba Ste wrote: »
    And that's the reason we've had Fianna Fail for 14 years, will we never learn.

    Thats the reason we have had the wrong politicians for the last 30+ years. Its funny when people slag off voters of FF and presume that getting rid of FF gets rid of the culture in politics.

    Moral leadership has not been shown by anybody. People who hate FF seem to ignore this fact and make the broad presumption that anybody else will be better.

    When a party starts looking for criminal investigations and serious penaltys for their own actions, then I will finally believe we have a differant kind of politics in this country. Until then, we will just keep voting for the lame alternative (whose greatest trait is that "they arent FF"!:rolleyes:) and we will just limp from one mess to another . .


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    #312
    Kasabian
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    I'd rather see the Apres Match boys do the match analysis tbh

    They wouldn't be as funny.


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    #313
    wyndhurst
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭wyndhurst


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    That moron Matt Cooper thinks that it was a good debate???

    FFS why are you surprised?...all these folks (like economists) are hoares to their paymasters.
    He's hardly going to turn up on TV3 and say it was crap and collect his cheque on the way out the door.
    Wake up and join the real world.


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    #314
    jonnyfingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭jonnyfingers


    That was one of the most boring debates I've ever watched. I'm come out of it feeling that neither Labour nor Fianna Fail have a clue what to do if they get into government.


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    #315
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    folan wrote: »
    thats the guy who was at a rally talking to his people?

    Yea, talking to a few hundred people instead of a few hundred thousand;)


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    #316
    Wildlife Actor
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Wildlife Actor


    "That's all very well for the civics class" You bitch!!! It's supposed to be about civics not PR!


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    #317
    Sir Oxman
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    clown bag wrote: »
    Ironic considering Kenny lacked the courage to even attempt to go up against a well polished MM. Who will you vote for if/when Kenny does decide to turn up and use Gerry Adams as a human shield to protect himself against Gilmore and Martin. If your going to base your vote on a PR management exercise (thats what a televised political debate is) then at least wait for the Kenny show to make your choice.


    But isn't kenny doing two 3-way debates, one on RTE and one on TG4?


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    #318
    Flimbos
    Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Flimbos


    And Terri Prone thinks VB won... this is just tabloid nonsense now, TV3 making the most of the limelight.


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    #319
    ascanbe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Terri Prone doth protest too much.


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    #320
    Kristopherus
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    Keith Fahey has just scored a beauty fro a free. 83 mins. Ireland lead 3 - 0.


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    #321
    dedon
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    No surprise Terry FF Prone is supporting Martin.

    It is amazing how many on here are falling for the FF public debating skills.

    FOr god sake people they are telling you lies, like they have done for years. Use your brains here.


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    #322
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    folan wrote: »
    Dreadful debate. Helped me in no way.

    Now id like for a canvessor to turn up and explain to me what either of the parties will do.

    Indeed, I thought Noonan was far more impressive last night on the Frontline


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    #323
    Liam Byrne
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    Cooper seems hell-bent on creating justification for having the debate on TV3 in the first place.

    Anything he's said so far is rubbish, but is obviously pandering to his employers.


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    #324
    naughto
    Registered Users Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭naughto


    3 0 to ireland


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    #325
    LuckyGent88
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    These 4 are talking some amount of trout. Ireland have scored 3 goals in a match ( just thought i'd brighten everyones night up after this rubbish and needless debate) :D


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    #326
    Tech3
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    What planet are these muppets on?


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    #327
    Drumpot
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    What exactly did people really expect from this debate ?

    As far as I am concerned people who watched can still hate FF and never vote for them again, but at least they will struggle to continue ignoring the completely ridiculous economic policies of labour and have surely seen that Gilmore is little more then hot air . .


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    #328
    Derryleigh
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭Derryleigh


    Must have killed Vincent not to be able to harang them!

    A pissy wet night in the west of Ireland, pubs closed, no Sky to watch soccer so stuck watching what was a bore fest.


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    #329
    stee.mc79
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭stee.mc79


    please tv3 save face and turn this muck off! matt copper thinks it was a good Debate nether party leader has inspired me to vote for either of them gilmore on the fence, and where was this change in politics when martin was minister all those years, as for terry prone


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    #330
    yoshytoshy
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    Is that Dougal from father ted on the panel?


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    #331
    Sad Professor
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    The whole thing was rendered somewhat pointless without Enda, but only because the real debate here is between FG and Labour. Martin is just there to attack them both, win more seats for FF than people expected and ensure his own leadership of the party post-election.

    I'm inclined to agree that Martin came across stronger. But I don't think it makes any difference. It's easy for Martin. FF won't be in the next government. He knows this and all these bullsh*t policies and reforms that he has pulled out of his arse in the last two weeks don't mean mean squat because he knows he won't have deliver any of them.

    Anyone who is won over to FF on the basis of Martin's performance tonight is most likely a dyed-in-the-wool FF supporter who (in privacy of the ballot box) was never going to be able to bring themselves to vote against them anyway, despite what opinion polls have been suggesting.

    This debate has actually convinced me to vote Labour. I was going to vote for one of the leftist groups, but after watching Martin slither his way through this debate I've become convinced that we have to break free from these civil war parties. Labour (imperfect as it is) is the best real chance for this.


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