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Is Emigrating the Only way to Find Work and have a Better life These days?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    nudist wrote: »
    And what sector are these graduates going into?

    Seeing as the economy is ****ed in ireland for the next decade or two i dont see how this is now a great time to graduate IMO.

    Maybe he means that since there will be so many people with similar qualifications going for so few jobs, thiings like, going to same school or college as the resruiter could help....for example.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 157 ✭✭nudist


    Maybe he means that since there will be so many people with similar qualifications going for so few jobs, thiings like, going to same school or college as the resruiter could help....for example.

    Ah i see-its all about who you know, not what you know. Great to see that ireland is still the same way is was during the cetlic tiger :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Delusional at best.
    Have you been to the US recently or read any economic periodicals? Clearly not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    goat2 wrote: »
    are you moving to this wet, windy, cold, cashstrapped unemployment rising, taxes rising, country,---- leaving sunshine, plenty job oppertunities, i know you say for your boyfriend, would it not be a better idea if he went to where you are,
    OMG you've never been to Florida. What a shíthole! Seriously!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭sunshineoh9


    OisinT wrote: »
    OMG you've never been to Florida. What a shíthole! Seriously!
    thank you someone for understanding!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭delonglad


    That was some reading..

    I'm a college graduate, when in my last year in college I applied to thousands of jobs, got called for interviews with agencies and the usual mail saying the project has been put on hold after the interview. I studied for 5 years in a college that wasn't Trinity, UCD etc and I found out very quickly its all about who you know. This country is run by gangsters and every party is full of them, they (the opposition) talk about a general election would sort out the countries problems. Like they have a clue. To me in Ireland poloticians aren't elected from the public they just continue on from their dynasty. "Ah his father was a a td down the road we may vote for him". Its a load of S**T."

    I was lucky enough to land myself a job over here in Holland and to be honest i'm delighted I took it, i'm paying a high level of tax but i'm getting my moneys worth, 1st class travel, roads, healthcare etc. I was always working through college and up till the day I left I was working getting paid a wage similar to what friends were on with their rent allowance, single parent and all the other sham schemes people live off in Ireland.

    How can they get people off the dole if it doesn't pay to do so. The
    "RATS" in this country are the ones living in council houses, drinking 7 days a week, buying fancy accesories and spouting on about how the government has ****ed up when they haven't contributed a single ounce to society in all their lives.

    i know people on the dole since they finished school (during the boom) who are still on it and quite happy too. Yet they rant on about the government ruining their lives.

    As for paying back the cost of my education I agree something should be in place but only if the jobs are there.

    Also why the **** should someone accept a job in customer service if they spent 5 hard years studying a degree that, sure there was pleanty of partying but to get the piece of paper you have to work hard especially in Engineering and Science. I worked in a public service job until this oppertunity came along but if it hadn't come by christmas I was going to have to go elsewhere anyway.

    You choose your path in life, wrong or right and the people on here begrudging people for making a better life for themselves are just Bullies full stop. Your the same as the poloticians!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    delonglad wrote: »
    Also why the **** should someone accept a job in customer service if they spent 5 hard years studying a degree that,
    Well if there are no jobs in the field that they spent studying, what else should they do?
    Sit around and do nothing? Join the dole que which you yourself said breeds uselessness?
    You choose your path in life, wrong or right and the people on here begrudging people for making a better life for themselves are just Bullies full stop. Your the same as the poloticians!
    Yes, you choose your path, right or wrong. What's right and what is wrong seems to change regularly.
    Like so many other things, private employment in this country seems to be a matter of supply and demand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Heres what i think....

    Often people who bitch & moan about these 'rats' leaving the ship are the ones who either a. don't have the balls to leave the country or b. have financial obligations here which mean travel is not possible.

    a. category people - don't begrudge people seeking a decent life in another country because you find the idea of leaving here frightening. See theres a lot of complete homebirds out there who couldn't handle such a change of environment. Unless they could bring the local pub & all their friends & family with them. This fear of leaving brings about feelings of self-loathing & eventually leads to resentment of those who are able to emigrate. In other words its jealousy.

    b. category people - don't begrudge people seeking a decent life in another country because your chances of emigration are zero due to your debts that must be repaid. If you were clear of your debts you'd be the first person on the way out of here you hypocrits.

    Honestly, talk about crab mentality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 157 ✭✭nudist


    In fairness i think the general public is just plain pissed that the government wasted the boom and 50 billion is being taken from us.

    Personally i think we also gotten used to the idea of being employed in ireland-is that so much to ask for? having a job in a country in which you were raised in? Most people dont emigrate by choice imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭NullZer0


    This country has and will continue to breed enterprising, intelligent, entrepreneurial and talented individuals.

    What?

    If the above was an accurate description of Irish individuals, we wouldn't be in this situation.
    We rely on the innovation of everyone else to get by, a look at the IT sector in Ireland alone will clarify this - Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Microsoft etc.

    Where is the Irish Innovation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    iRock wrote: »
    What?

    If the above was an accurate description of Irish individuals, we wouldn't be in this situation.
    We rely on the innovation of everyone else to get by, a look at the IT sector in Ireland alone will clarify this - Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Microsoft etc.

    Where is the Irish Innovation?

    Thats bullsh!t. What a about Stira? The folding attic stairs that can be fitted in under 2 hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    OisinT wrote: »
    Have you been to the US recently or read any economic periodicals? Clearly not.

    However bad the US situation is, it's nowhere near as bad as Irelands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    fontanalis wrote: »
    However bad the US situation is, it's nowhere near as bad as Irelands.

    It's pretty bad for a lot of people in the US, tent cities are springing up all over the place because people have lost their homes. The difference is that the burden is spread more evenly across the population in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Thats bullsh!t. What a about Stira? The folding attic stairs that can be fitted in under 2 hours.

    Yeah!
    I don't recall Google or Microsoft carrying the label; 'as seen on The Late Late Show.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    It's pretty bad for a lot of people in the US, tent cities are springing up all over the place because people have lost their homes. The difference is that the burden is spread more evenly across the population in Ireland.

    There's a better chance of the US coming out of recession quicker than Ireland. Right now can you think of anyhting Ireland has to offer for job creation?
    There is nothing that Ireland has or ireland can do that no other country in the world has or can do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    fontanalis wrote: »
    There's a better chance of the US coming out of recession quicker than Ireland. Right now can you think of anyhting Ireland has to offer for job creation?

    American investment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    American investment?

    So Ireland has to rely on the investment of a country that some here claim is in a worse state?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Ireland would be a third world country without foreign investment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    fontanalis wrote: »
    So Ireland has to rely on the investment of a country that some here claim is in a worse state?

    To a degree, yes.
    Soem stipulate that Americas investment in Ireland (well, other countries in general) is a contributing factor to the condition America is in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Have let this thread 'develop' for a while and I notice that those advocating and defending all emigration are long on abuse of anybody with the 'temerity' to criticise them, but short on actual solutions. Which is why they run I suppose. I go back to my original point, nothing will change until those affected by the system here stay and put up a fight.
    Imagine your grandparents demanding to work in the career they have chosen and you will see how new that concept actually is. In times of recession(which it most definetly is) that is a luxury of the spoiled. And frankly, I think that 'a generation spoiled' is another by-product of that feline ****ing Celt!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Generation spoiled sounds right to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    You know what annoys me?

    People who conceal their fear or inability of leaving Ireland with a curtain of 'patriotism'.;)

    Like i said. Crab Mentality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    You know what annoys me?

    People who conceal their fear or inability of leaving Ireland with a curtain of 'patriotism'.;)

    Like i said. Crab Mentality.

    Like I say, long on abuse and short on solutions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Like I say, long on abuse and short on solutions.

    Abuse? Really?
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Rats will always abandon a sinking ship.

    ^:rolleyes:

    Maybe these people (or rats as you call them) have no choice but to abandon the ship. Don't blame them, direct your anger at our current utterly useless government. Irish people who want a better life for themselves are rats? Are the hundreds of thousands of people who left these shores in the mid 1800's also vermin? or should they have stayed & died a patriotic death of starvation?

    What i detect from you is bitterness, jealousy & anger. You should have a long look in the mirror.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭goat2


    fontanalis wrote: »
    So Ireland has to rely on the investment of a country that some here claim is in a worse state?

    iceland and ourselves are on par, even though it says we are second from bottom, iceland being at the bottom, the only thing that differentiate us is that volcano


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    goat2 wrote: »
    iceland and ourselves are on par, even though it says we are second from bottom, iceland being at the bottom, the only thing that differentiate us is that volcano

    I think Iceland are in a better situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Abuse? Really?



    ^:rolleyes:

    Maybe these people (or rats as you call them) have no choice but to abandon the ship. Don't blame them, direct your anger at our current utterly useless government. Irish people who want a better life for themselves are rats? Are the hundreds of thousands of people who left these shores in the mid 1800's also vermin? or should they have stayed & died a patriotic death of starvation?

    What i detect from you is bitterness, jealousy & anger. You should have a long look in the mirror.

    Getting upset about metaphors? Deary me. Must have hit a bone. 'Rats leaving a sinking ship' is a metaphor 'as old as Metuselah' (oh look another one!.....apologies to the old and infirm)
    How dare you suggest that current emigration is similar to that of the 1800's, that 'oh woe is me attitude' in the luxury of today's standard of living is an insult to their memory and typical of somebody who has no respect for anybody who gets in their selfish way or who dares to suggest 'you never had it so good'. People leave for altruistic motives in this day and age, the possibility of them straving en masse is remote wouldn't you say?
    What you should be detecting from me is exasperation at the selfishness of yet another generation preparing to abandon ship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    You know what annoys me?

    People who conceal their fear or inability of leaving Ireland with a curtain of 'patriotism'.;)

    Like i said. Crab Mentality.

    Are you still living in Ireland? It's a little unfair to describe anyone who doesn't emigrate as having a crab mentality isn't it? It's the same as what Happyman is saying about rats leaving a sinking ship


    There are, whether you choose to believe it or not; people leaving, not through necessity but through their own selfish notion that they owe nothing to the country which provided them with the opportunities they now hold.

    If I had no job and no clear chance of getting one I'd emigrate too, but what I wouldn't do is come on here before I board a plane with my college degree and whine about how bad the country has treated me up until now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Have let this thread 'develop' for a while and I notice that those advocating and defending all emigration are long on abuse of anybody with the 'temerity' to criticise them, but short on actual solutions.

    You also seem more concerned that people share your pain than any desire to change society. "Begrudger" is a term that's thrown around a lot on this forum, often incorrectly but in this case I feel you epitomise it.

    How about you outline, in detail, what your solutions are.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Morkarleth wrote: »
    You also seem more concerned that people share your pain than any desire to change society. "Begrudger" is a term that's thrown around a lot on this forum, often incorrectly but in this case I feel you epitomise it.

    How about you outline, in detail, what your solutions are.

    More abuse in the guise of pseudo amateur physcology.
    Why the hell I would be begrudging a demographic that have effectively dispossesed and disenfranchised themselves is beyond me. I am proud to be an Irishman in Ireland working everyday to make it a better place to live in. Am I happy, overall I would say-Yes.

    My solution is very evident if you take the time to read: Responsibility. You want the trappings of a healthy society then you engage fully with society and invest in it. (and I'm not just talking about money you extract or contribute) There is more to life than money and having a state of the art Tesco on your doorstep.
    If everybody does that, then we will be governed by like minded people, which is all that we can ask or hope to achieve, howsoever that turns out.


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