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Is Emigrating the Only way to Find Work and have a Better life These days?

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    #122
    enda1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    Anyone who emigrates instead of sitting on the dole after coming out of uni, is in fact helping Ireland.

    The experience they pick up abroad in their graduate employment and subsequent experience, added to life learning will enhance this country both in terms of skilled experience workforce and in terms of social maturation. We as a country need to encourage these people and welcome them back when the time has come for their much needed outlook and experience when we give rebirth to the Celtic Tiger.


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    #123
    Stercus Accidit
    Registered Users Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/images/2009/10/08/yes-to-jobs-poster.jpg

    Irish politicians are retarded and aren't dying out soon enough, I'm leaving with degree in hand.


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    #124
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Stercus Accidit wrote: »
    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/images/2009/10/08/yes-to-jobs-poster.jpg

    Irish politicians are retarded and aren't dying out soon enough, I'm leaving with degree in hand.

    That still angers me.. I particularly like this poster. It's funny, when you suggest to anyone who was firmly on the Yes side in the run up to Lisbon II, that the only reason people changed their minds second time round was because of the scare mongering used by campaigners on that side they immediately bring up the equally ludicrous claims made by some on the No side.. as if that makes their own tactics any more acceptable. They'll even go as far as to say that nothing was implicitly stated about the importance of the treaty for the recovery of Ireland's economy.


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    #125
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    anyone emigrating from ireland should be made pay there education cost's back to the state


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    #126
    senordingdong
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    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    anyone emigrating from ireland should be made pay there education cost's back to the state

    That's an interesting point, but in fairness, the individual has to pay alot towards education themselves.


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    #127
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    senordingdong wrote: »
    That's an interesting point, but in fairness, the individual has to pay alot towards education themselves.
    the government provides free 3rd level education so people can upskill,
    and contribute to the irish economy.people who swan off the second they come out of college should pay the money back


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    #128
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    senordingdong wrote: »
    That's an interesting point, but in fairness, the individual has to pay alot towards education themselves.
    what a poxy 1500!! while it probaly cost 20000 to educate them.
    they probaly get a grant too,so they get the money back.
    and yet they sit behind a computer and complain. Please
    they would'nt know hardship if it smack them in the face
    parasite's adios dont come back!!


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    #129
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    the government provides free 3rd level education so people can upskill,
    and contribute to the irish economy.people who swan off the second they come out of college should pay the money back

    What good is paying the money back? There should be a stipulation that states that anyone granted a place in college is expected to remain here for a certain amount of time after graduating, provided there are jobs. For every one person that gets a place in college, how many are losing out on the same? Preference should be given to those who actually want to stay in the country after finishing college


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    #130
    Stercus Accidit
    Registered Users Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    @saywhatyousee

    So its better to have college graduates on the dole?

    Pay them to stay and do nothing or charge them to leave?

    Ludicrous.


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    #131
    twinQuins
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    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    what a poxy 1500!!

    As well as food, accomodation, transport, books, other materials, etc..

    But no, you go right ahead, don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned ignorant rant about students.


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    #132
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    there are jobs out there if you look hard enough.
    perhaps i phrased my last comment harshly.
    i just hate this attitude "when i walk out of college i want 40000 per annum and if i dont get it i am out of here"
    and the majority of people that emigrate usally end up taking jobs
    that they would'nt take in ireland.my brother is in austrailia,
    he works in a bar over there however you would'nt catch him dead working in a bar here


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    #133
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    Morkarleth wrote: »
    As well as food, accomodation, transport, books, other materials, etc..

    But no, you go right ahead, don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned ignorant rant about students.
    do you agree third level education is heavily subsidised in ireland?


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    #134
    twinQuins
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    i just hate this attitude "when i walk out of college i want 40000 per annum and if i dont get it i am out of here"

    It's not unreasonable to work your ass off for 4+ years and expect to be able to put what you've learned into practice.
    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    do you agree third level education is heavily subsidised in ireland?

    If you're lucky enough to get a grant you'll more than likely be okay. Even then it's still means tested.

    I object to your caricature of what students are like, though.


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    #135
    ILA
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    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    do you agree third level education is heavily subsidised in ireland?
    Leaving aside you're blanket rant, I would agree partially.

    I personally see a huge number of students who are on grants paid for by their respective Local Authorities combined in some cases with a book grant of up to 500 EUR. A high number of these people don't always attend lectures, don't study, and don't put in the effort when compared to other who are paying for the privilege.

    Some mature students this year are actually paying full Student Services fee of 1,500 plus Tuition fees of 1,495 due to them already having a third level qualification but needing to go back to college in an attempt to get a degree in a new area of expertise.


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    #136
    saywhatyousee
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    Morkarleth wrote: »
    It's not unreasonable to work your ass off for 4+ years and expect to be able to put what you've learned into practice.



    If you're lucky enough to get a grant you'll more than likely be okay. Even then it's still means tested.

    I object to your caricature of what students are like, though.
    i am only out of college two years myself
    i just believe i should contribute back to the state my cost of education.
    and a good percentage of people get a grant i say about 70%
    (of my old class anyway)


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    #137
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    I'm sick of all the bitching. Just move and go quietly you big quitters.

    If you're going to stay, yeah it's tough, but the US is in a far worse position than us and many countries are in the same shítty position. Just take it and be quiet.


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    #138
    ILA
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    OisinT wrote: »
    I'm sick of all the bitching. Just move and go quietly you big quitters.

    If you're going to stay, yeah it's tough, but the US is in a far worse position than us and many countries are in the same shítty position. Just take it and be quiet.

    Do you not agree that people have a right to be angry after everything that has occurred over the last two years? The public are still being lied to, but that seems to be acceptable.


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    #139
    saywhatyousee
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    ILA wrote: »
    Do you not agree that people have a right to be angry after everything that has occurred over the last two years? The public are still being lied to, but that seems to be acceptable.
    rats and yellowbellies jump ship.if ireland goes down well i'll go down with it too.


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    #140
    FreudianSlippers
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    ILA wrote: »
    Do you not agree that people have a right to be angry after everything that has occurred over the last two years? The public are still being lied to, but that seems to be acceptable.
    The public are, for the most part, absolute morons who got themselves in this trouble. Nobody complains about the government telling fibs when everyone is getting rich off of it.


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    #141
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    I'm not going for monetary purposes, I'm going to distance myself from the narrow-mindedness seen above.



    At the end of the day, it's the gombeens who stay in the country, hence the governments of the past 8 decades.
    The smart, skilled ones emigrate and made something out of life.
    Sad but true.


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    #142
    Happyman42
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    Tchaikovsky wrote: »




    The smart, skilled ones emigrate and made something out of life.
    Sad but true.

    But they all came back.
    True but Sad.:D


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    #143
    FreudianSlippers
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    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    I'm not going for monetary purposes, I'm going to distance myself from the narrow-mindedness seen above.



    At the end of the day, it's the gombeens who stay in the country, hence the governments of the past 8 decades.
    The smart, skilled ones emigrate and magoodde something out of life.
    Sad but true.
    good luck finding the magical country not run by morons who lie to the public. I am smart, skilled and have a job that pays well - why would I leave? hell property is dirt cheap now... maybe I'll buy a holiday home but I have no reason to emigrate. No need to tar everyone with the same brush


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    #144
    fontanalis
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    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    rats and yellowbellies jump ship.if ireland goes down well i'll go down with it too.

    Yes, people who don't want to pay for the mistakes of failed business men )who only got to where they are because of the tent they went to at the Galway races) are rats and yellowbellys.
    Maybe some people want to work and not sit and watch a country crumble. ireland is a glorified failed state.


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    #145
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    But they all came back.
    True but Sad.:D

    Maybe some people would actually like to live in Ireland instead of abroad.


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    #146
    fontanalis
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    OisinT wrote: »
    I'm sick of all the bitching. Just move and go quietly you big quitters.

    If you're going to stay, yeah it's tough, but the US is in a far worse position than us and many countries are in the same shítty position. Just take it and be quiet.

    Delusional at best.


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    #147
    Happyman42
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Maybe some people would actually like to live in Ireland instead of abroad.

    Those that made it so attractive have done alright then, think what could happen if everyone 'invested' and took responsibility. Because that is what is required.


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    #148
    enda1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Delusional at best.

    USA have a debt per capita 70% higher than Ireland's, and a GDP per capita 20% lower than Ireland's.

    Not so delusional really.

    (figures derived from the world bank's website).


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    #149
    MarcusFenix
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    In fairness, dole is higher in Ireland, just like everything else.
    It's all relative.


    They bloody well can, they have nobody to blame but themselves if they study for four years to work in a field that has no jobs.
    Now that the Celtic Tiger is gone people can start getting a realistic view of their own worth and take a job because it pays the bills, instead of turning their nose up at it because they are too good for it.

    I don't usually do this but here I must make an exception. OMFG! Are you in the council? Bus driver? The theme here seems to be emigrate or stay here and stick it out, either way theres arguments for and against. If we leave then nothing will change but WE will have better opportunities, if we stay we're paying for someone else's mistake, but we can make a change with our vote and try and rebuild the place. Your comment is BS. Are you saying no-one here should train to be engineers? Why? Because theres no jobs? What field is there plenty of jobs in exactly? A field that you need a degree for?

    There is a lack of jobs in every sector! Does this mean we should all not bother going to college? just sit into a cushy number in centra? Sure feck it what would ya want a fancy degree for when theres hot chicken roles to be made for the lads.

    An engineering degree is not an easy thing to get but it is essential if this place is to have any attraction to multi-nationals etc. our two main attractions are low corporate tax and high skilled workers.
    But theres a shortage of jobs, lets all join the council or some other piece of **** job like yours where ambition, decision making and creativity is punishable by death or something.:mad:


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    #150
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    But they all came back.
    True but Sad.:D
    How do you know they all came back?
    And of those who did come back, why does it bother you?
    If they hadn't have come back with their skills and experience from abroad, the economy in the 90s wouldn't have developed the way it did.

    You really have to get your priorities straight in who you should direct your anger at.


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    #151
    goat2
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    jimthemental wrote: »
    I really want to know what in the name of God did I get out of this country? I stayed in school, leaving cert in 05, worked the few hours I could in pubs all through college, graduated 09 with a science degree and now working an office job an hour drive away for barely more than minimum wage because even if the right job is available I have no experience compared to someone of your generation who got laid off and can now saunter into a new job looking down at those queuing up for jobs or dole around the country because they have "experience". I'd love to emigrate to improve my quality of life but even that will take a while due to car loan, student loan and of course the ridiculous cost of living here. I love Ireland and don't want to leave but unless I can secure a slightly better job before Christmas I'm gone. I didn't have a chance to earn during the Celtic Tiger and so got completely shafted just like 90% of the graduates in this country in the last few years

    to you, i say, be proud of your achievements, and dont let anyone make you think you owe this place anything, you are a hardworking well educated person who will do very well.


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