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"We are a Catholic country"

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  • #32
    bm365
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭bm365


    DB10 wrote: »
    But it is a Catholic country.

    Hasmunch you obviously haven't been to mass lately, there are still big crowds despite what some would have you believe.

    Exactly. I was surprised when I started college to see the large following the church has among younger people. The campus chruch got massive crowds on days such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (Lots of students I know wouldnt even eat meat of drink on these days). Even drew in decents crowds each Sunday when you wouldnt expect a huge amount of students to be around.


  • #33
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    sasser wrote: »
    An aside, as a matter of interest, is this in our constitution as it is in the constitution of the United States?

    Our Constitution, and in the Constitution of the United States. Indeed, these rights are recognised right up to an EU level at present.
    Irish Constitution wrote:
    1. The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.
    2. Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.
    European Charter Of Fundamental Rights wrote:
    1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom
    to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

    Any civilised free nation, will recognise these rights.


  • #34
    Donkey Oaty
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    Constitution begins:
    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, we, the people of Eire, humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ…

    It's easy to lose interest after that.


  • #35
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    bm365 wrote: »
    Exactly. I was surprised when I started college to see the large following the church has among younger people. The campus chruch got massive crowds on days such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (Lots of students I know wouldnt even eat meat of drink on these days). Even drew in decents crowds each Sunday when you wouldnt expect a huge amount of students to be around.

    Of course, but those same students will have no problem getting langered drunk, taking some illegal substances and then getting it on with some fine young lass/fella that night.

    Catholicism = hypocrisy at large, in the vast majority of cases.

    And for the record Ireland ain't a catholic country. I'm Irish, I ain't catholic (recently used CountMeOut to make certain of that) and I'm very proud of that. Another two generations and this sham of a religion will be dead, and society at large will be better for it.


  • #36
    sasser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭sasser


    So say for example, someone in your workplace is X religion and gets up in the middle of the office and starts spouting love of their faith on and on, this is allowed?


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  • #37
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    bm365 wrote: »
    Exactly. I was surprised when I started college to see the large following the church has among younger people. The campus chruch got massive crowds on days such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (Lots of students I know wouldnt even eat meat of drink on these days). Even drew in decents crowds each Sunday when you wouldnt expect a huge amount of students to be around.

    Sure you weren't over in St Patrick's College, Maynooth?:P


  • #38
    lyverbird1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭lyverbird1


    Heard a similar discussion to this on a 4FM show recently, it was following a discussion based on whether the Angelus should continue and the rabid Catholics' rants were dreadful - one of the worst was one guy insisting that all non Catholics should be deported as Ireland was a 'Catholic country'. Such a fine example of the tolerance I believe Christians are supposed to exhibit. It reminds of why I'm glad to be a non denominational agnostic but sad that religion still turns too many people into intolerant bigots...


  • #39
    flyton5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭flyton5


    I remember an interview on the radio quite recently and the reporter asked some aul wan for her opinion on the abuse survivors and bringing the priests to trial. She replied "they should leave the priests alone...the abused have gotten their pound of flesh". So maybe we are still a catholic country...blind eye turned to the odd murder or child rape...all is well etc.


    If the whole catholic thing annoys you: http://countmeout.ie/

    only takes a few mins to fill out...


  • #40
    Dravokivich
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    lyverbird1 wrote: »
    one guy insisting that all non Catholics should be deported as Ireland was a 'Catholic country'.

    Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?


  • #41
    Craebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭Craebear


    It is to our great shame that Catholicism had such a grip on this nation and still clings on today. It holds us back as a people.


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  • #42
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Of course, but those same students will have no problem getting langered drunk, taking some illegal substances and then getting it on with some fine young lass/fella that night.

    Catholicism = hypocrisy at large, in the vast majority of cases.

    What you're describing is the tendency of a lot of people to use religion as 'insurance' should something happen to them.

    They believe that if they go to mass etc. whilst still acting as you outlined they'll still get into 'Heaven' if they get hit by a bus on the way home. It's a great fear tactic used by organised religion because people are terrified of the reality of death which is just oblivion.


  • #43
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    I think a lot of the level of opposition to benign things such as the Angelus, arises out of a need for atheists and agnostics to assert themselves as an established group in this country in a way that other demographic groups haven't had to.
    lyverbird1 wrote:
    one of the worst was one guy insisting that all non Catholics should be deported as Ireland was a 'Catholic country'. Such a fine example of the tolerance I believe Christians are supposed to exhibit. It reminds of why I'm glad to be a non denominational agnostic but sad that religion still turns too many people into intolerant bigots...

    The problem is, to deport someone, you generally have to have a place where you can put them! :pac:

    Non-Catholic also includes about 5-6% of Irish Christians.


  • #44
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

    The same place Wolfe Tone and Parnell came from I guess:D


  • #45
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

    I'm thinking he was talking "Hell" for that one.:eek:


  • #46
    philologos
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    sasser wrote: »
    So say for example, someone in your workplace is X religion and gets up in the middle of the office and starts spouting love of their faith on and on, this is allowed?

    You have the right to do this legally but your employer can fairly dismiss you for such behaviour. At work you are on your employers time, you are not on your own time.

    Although, I see no problem if it comes up in mere conversation with colleagues. I mean for some questions, it will come up. Monday's "what did you do yesterday" could be very much answered by "well I went to church, then I did X, Y and Z". Such answers could very easily prompt more questions about your faith.


  • #47
    lyverbird1
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

    If it was somewhere with pleasant weather and a decently priced pint and they were willing to pay for me to move and live there, perhaps there is a deal to be done? I imagine not! I wonder did the caller to the show I was listening to pause for even a moment to consider the stupidity as well as the intolerance contained in his sentiments. Once again, I imagine not...


  • #48
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    lyverbird1 wrote: »
    If it was somewhere with pleasant weather and a decently priced pint and they were willing to pay for me to move and live there, perhaps there is a deal to be done? I imagine not! I wonder did the caller to the show I was listening to pause for even a moment to consider the stupidity as well as the intolerance contained in his sentiments. Once again, I imagine not...

    Or consider what message that would have sent out to Unionists who still think Ireland is a catholic state for catholic people?

    Not exactly dispelling any myths was he :pac:


  • #49
    Brendog
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    sasser wrote: »
    Another discussion about religion on Ray Darcy







    It clashes with his shoes...


  • #50
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    DB10 wrote: »
    The majority are Catholics.

    Why don't you watch TV3 news instead of just crying for the sake of it?

    The whole country doesn't revolve around you and your "needs". Or "wants" is probably a better way of putting it.

    Why not, it revolved around the wishes of a old man in Rome for decades, perhaps it's our turn now to call the tune. There are many things in this country that many people want that the minions of the catholic church tried it's hardest to deny them, why should their needs outweigh ours.

    This country made a mockery of the term Republic for years by bowing and scrapping to the clergy, thankfully we've woken up over the past decade or two and told these juju men where to stuff it but their influence still lingers on like a bad smell. You can practice your religion as much as you want but Catholic and Republic have no business being beside each other in a sentence anymore than tuna and toothpaste do.


  • #51
    DB10
    Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    I think sasser needs to study law and the constitution, and learn that religion does not have to be private no matter which it is.

    The world doesn't revolve around you.


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  • #52
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    DB10 wrote: »
    It is a Catholic country deal with it or leave if you're so bothered.

    How does someone texting into a radio show interfere with your life?

    Try and explain yourself correctly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ
    :pac:


  • #53
    DB10
    Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    Why not, it revolved around the wishes of a old fart in Rome for decades, perhaps it's our turn now to call the tune. There are many things in this country that many people want that the minions of the catholic church tried it's hardest to deny them, why should their needs outweigh ours.

    This country made a mockery of the term Republic for years by bowing and scrapping to the clergy, thankfully we've woken up over the past decade or two and told these juju men where to stuff it but their influence still lingers on like a bad smell. You can practice your religion as much as you want but Catholic and Republic have no business being beside each other in a sentence anymore than tuna and toothpaste do.

    Sorry you aren't allowed to abuse public figures on here.

    See here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055985023

    This results in bannings/infractions, so I would advise you to keep your colourful language to yourself in future.


  • #54
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Its a BMD catholic country.

    Births,Marriages and Deaths. There is no other reason for church here.

    They're not particularly good rasons either.

    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Constitution begins:



    It's easy to lose interest after that.

    Indeed. The constitution is completely out of date, and a read through it shows the power and influence that The RC Church had in Ireland at the time it was drawn up.


  • #55
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    DB10 wrote: »
    The majority are Catholics.

    Why don't you watch TV3 news instead of just crying for the sake of it?

    The whole country doesn't revolve around you and your "needs". Or "wants" is probably a better way of putting it.

    No, nor does it revolve around the needs or wants of the church.

    The state broadcaster is supposed to impartial to any religious material.

    I don't want my TV license money spent on that and I'm perfectly entitled to say it.


  • #56
    Dravokivich
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    DB10 wrote: »
    I think sasser needs to study law and the constitution, and learn that religion does not have to be private no matter which it is.

    The world doesn't revolve around you.

    I think you guys are miss interpeting what Sasser referred to by "private." He even followed up in a response saying he had no intentions of coming across "Opressive."

    He just meant that the state should not be considered and shown to be endorsing 1 set religion using the schools and hosptials as examples of very Catholic places used for Health and Education.

    All he was saying is if someone wanted to follow a religion, they should be doing it themselves, amongst people who are also following that religion, but not requiring people who are un-interested in it, to have to use their facilities.

    It's the exact oposite of the re-action ye all decided to take...


  • #57
    candy-gal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭candy-gal1


    Being deemed a "catholic"country is what stops the country legalising abortions, among other things, tbh


  • #58
    Fratton Fred
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    a nice ideal, a completely secular contry, but to be honest, i have far more important things to worry about than that.

    There are some absolutely laughable things done in this country (no scans for 12 week pregnancies for example) but in the main, I don't see how religion is affecting this country too much anynore.

    another point, as a previous poster said, the biggest opponents of the church involvement in the state appears to come from ex-Catholics who have turned very anti the Church.


  • #59
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    DB10 wrote: »
    Sorry you aren't allowed to abuse public figures on here.

    See here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055985023

    This results in bannings/infractions, so I would advise you to keep your colourful language to yourself in future.

    No names were mentioned so it's not offensive nor abusive. Why not try and put together a proper argument for what he just said rather than put an end to it.

    Usual tactic of religious folk to be quite honest, once you're on the losing side you try to put an end to it.


  • #60
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    fryup wrote: »
    its an, al la carte catholic country

    Exactly when supposed pro lifers can suport the Iraq war, it doesn't say much about their catlickness.


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  • #61
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    a nice ideal, a completely secular contry, but to be honest, i have far more important things to worry about than that.

    There are some absolutely laughable things done in this country (no scans for 12 week pregnancies for example) but in the main, I don't see how religion is affecting this country too much anynore.

    another point, as a previous poster said, the biggest opponents of the church involvement in the state appears to come from ex-Catholics who have turned very anti the Church.

    Yes there's lots of problems in lots of countries, this is another.

    In fairness, how many people do you know in Ireland who were raised athiest? Of course they're ex-Catholic and who cares anyway?


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