"We are a Catholic country"

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:12am #1

Another discussion about religion on Ray Darcy, and some fool texted in saying “We are a Catholic country”. I have heard this a lot recently and it drives me INSANE. We are not a Catholic country, we are a REPUBLIC. A country doesn’t have a religion anyway, but we are a REPUBLIC!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

kfallon · 24-08-2010 10:14am

Serious discussion on Ray Darcy.....whatever next??? Do people have nothing to be doing with their mornings :rolleyes:

starbelgrade · 24-08-2010 10:16am

BREAKING NEWS

Ray D'arcy is Annoying.

Biggins · 24-08-2010 10:16am

Turn off the radio and step outside.
Have a nice day in real life.

fryup · 24-08-2010 10:17am

its an, al la carte catholic country

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:17am

starbelgrade wrote: »

BREAKING NEWS

Ray D'arcy is Annoying.

Don't slag Ray, I just won't stand for it.

Fratton Fred · 24-08-2010 10:19am

sasser wrote: »

Another discussion about religion on Ray Darcy, and some fool texted in saying “We are a Catholic country”. I have heard this a lot recently and it drives me INSANE. We are not a Catholic country, we are a REPUBLIC. A country doesn’t have a religion anyway, but we are a REPUBLIC!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

quite right. If this was a Catholic country, all the pubs would be closed on good friday, the schools and hospitals would be run by the catholic Church and the state broadcaster would run the Angelus at 6pm every day.

Where do people get these daft ideas from?:pac:

kfallon · 24-08-2010 10:19am

Does Ray still drink in The Stags Head? Saw him in there a few times a couple of years ago! I don't think he should be doing serious chat on the radio, leave it to the professionals like Joe :eek:

Hasmunch · 24-08-2010 10:19am

What he should have texting in

The majority of people in this country record their religon as roman catholic on the census but very few ever practice or go to church apart fom weddings, funerals, communions, chrisening.....

Biggins · 24-08-2010 10:20am

kfallon wrote: »

...leave it to the professionals like Joe :eek:

Say wha? :pac:

DrumSteve · 24-08-2010 10:24am

Its a BMD catholic country.

Births,Marriages and Deaths. There is no other reason for church here.

kfallon · 24-08-2010 10:25am

Biggins wrote: »

Say wha? :pac:

I was heavy on the sarcasm Biggy!!!

DB10 · 24-08-2010 10:28am

But it is a Catholic country.

Hasmunch you obviously haven't been to mass lately, there are still big crowds despite what some would have you believe.

Biggins · 24-08-2010 10:29am

kfallon wrote: »

I was heavy on the sarcasm Biggy!!!

I suspected.

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:31am

DB10 wrote: »

But it is a Catholic country.

Hasmunch you obviously haven't been to mass lately, there are still big crowds despite what some would have you believe.

No it's not a Catholic country, and to be honest I'm sick of it interfering with my life in this Republic.

Sanjuro · 24-08-2010 10:33am

In all seriousness, I think we're taking a step backwards. Not only in this country, but all over the world. It's been happening for about 10 years, as people seem to be retreating to their faiths and becoming fundemental in their beliefs. And due to the nature of all religions being 'WE'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG,' and the inability of people to co-exist despite differing beliefs, this cannot be a good thing. The very fact that governments cannot adhere to the separation between church and state creates an environment of conflict. To sum up, we're pretty fucked.

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:37am

I look forward to the day where we actually act like the Republic we are. Religions beliefs in private please, not in our state schools, no angelus on the tv paid for by tax papyers!)

mickydoomsux · 24-08-2010 10:37am

DB10 wrote: »

But it is a Catholic country.

Hasmunch you obviously haven't been to mass lately, there are still big crowds despite what some would have you believe.

Indeed. Organsied ignorance and stupidity are still alive and well in this country unfortunately.

Still plenty of Cat-licks around, lapsed and active. Most people still have their kids baptised, communed and confirmed just for the piss up afterward even though they themselves are apathetic about the religion. Same applies to weddings and funerals. The Church love this of course because it gives validity to their existence in a country that is finally beginning to outgrow them.

ejmaztec · 24-08-2010 10:37am

I thought it was a joint Klingon-Jedi semi-autonomous republic in the Inter-galactic Space Federation, but I could be wrong.

DB10 · 24-08-2010 10:37am

sasser wrote: »

No it's not a Catholic country, and to be honest I'm sick of it interfering with my life in this Republic.

It is a Catholic country deal with it or leave if you're so bothered.

How does someone texting into a radio show interfere with your life?

Try and explain yourself correctly.

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:38am

Hasmunch wrote: »

What he should have texting in

The majority of people in this country record their religon as roman catholic on the census but very few ever practice or go to church apart fom weddings, funerals, communions, chrisening.....

Laziness and fear of doing something different on a lot of people's part.

DB10 · 24-08-2010 10:39am

sasser wrote: »

I look forward to the day where we actually act like the Republic we are. Religions beliefs in private please, not in our state schools, no angelus on the tv paid for by tax papyers!)

The majority are Catholics.

Why don't you watch TV3 news instead of just crying for the sake of it?

The whole country doesn't revolve around you and your "needs". Or "wants" is probably a better way of putting it.

Hasmunch · 24-08-2010 10:40am

DB10 wrote: »

But it is a Catholic country.

Hasmunch you obviously haven't been to mass lately, there are still big crowds despite what some would have you believe.

Yes you be correct i haven't been to mass lately and i dont intend on going back only for a funeral/wedding/christening etc..

philologos · 24-08-2010 10:42am

sasser wrote: »

I look forward to the day where we actually act like the Republic we are. Religions beliefs in private please, not in our state schools, no angelus on the tv paid for by tax papyers!)

What do you mean by "in private"?

This isn't consistent with Western liberties, such as freedom of expression, and freedom of religion, both together equalling a free expression of religion. I.E - People have the right to express their faith in public or in private in Western societies. Of course, other people have the right to challenge them equally.

recylingbin · 24-08-2010 10:42am

I can see the headline now...
People who listen to Ray Darcy are morons shocka!

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:42am

DB10 wrote: »

It is a Catholic country deal with it or leave if you're so bothered.

How does someone texting into a radio show interfere with your life?

Try and explain yourself correctly.

Are we a Republic or not? Do you know what that means? Why should I leave, I am a citizen of this Republic. I didn't say someone texting into a radio show was interfering with your life if you read back over my posts. I mean the control and input the RC church has on everyday like in Ireland.
We are making baby steps, finally got divorce in, now civil partnership, all steps towards an actual Republic. "Republic of Ireland", the clue is in the name

Mint Sauce · 24-08-2010 10:45am

kfallon wrote: »

leave it to the professionals like Joe :eek:

or 'tubbs'

who the fug · 24-08-2010 10:45am

Going by Church attendance in the Irish Times, the Republic is À la carte Catholic county.

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:45am

Jakkass wrote: »

What do you mean by "in private"?

This isn't consistent with Western liberties, such as freedom of expression, and freedom of religion, both together equalling a free expression of religion. I.E - People have the right to express their faith in public or in private in Western societies. Of course, other people have the right to challenge them equally.

I wrote "Religions beliefs in private please, not in our state schools, no angelus on the tv paid for by tax papyers!)" Dance on the street and proclaim your faith, go to church, do whatever floats your boat, I'm not talking about oppression of faith, so don't make my post something it's not please.

philologos · 24-08-2010 10:47am

What do you mean by "private"? People have the clear right to express their faith in public in any Western society, or what you are calling a "Republic".

If you only mean to take faith out of schools, and remove the Angelus, just say so.

I have to say, as a non-Catholic, I think most of the fuss surrounding Catholicism and its relation to the State, comes from ex-Catholics turned atheist / agnostic, rather than people of other faiths and beliefs in this country. Just a theory though!

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:49am

Jakkass wrote: »

What do you mean by "in private"?

This isn't consistent with Western liberties, such as freedom of expression, and freedom of religion, both together equalling a free expression of religion. I.E - People have the right to express their faith in public or in private in Western societies. Of course, other people have the right to challenge them equally.

An aside, as a matter of interest, is this in our constitution as it is in the constitution of the United States?

bm365 · 24-08-2010 10:53am

DB10 wrote: »

But it is a Catholic country.

Hasmunch you obviously haven't been to mass lately, there are still big crowds despite what some would have you believe.

Exactly. I was surprised when I started college to see the large following the church has among younger people. The campus chruch got massive crowds on days such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (Lots of students I know wouldnt even eat meat of drink on these days). Even drew in decents crowds each Sunday when you wouldnt expect a huge amount of students to be around.

philologos · 24-08-2010 10:55am

sasser wrote: »

An aside, as a matter of interest, is this in our constitution as it is in the constitution of the United States?

Our Constitution, and in the Constitution of the United States. Indeed, these rights are recognised right up to an EU level at present.

Irish Constitution wrote:

1. The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.
2. Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.

European Charter Of Fundamental Rights wrote:

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom
to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

Any civilised free nation, will recognise these rights.

Donkey Oaty · 24-08-2010 10:57am

Constitution begins:

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, we, the people of Eire, humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ…

It's easy to lose interest after that.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-08-2010 10:57am

bm365 wrote: »

Exactly. I was surprised when I started college to see the large following the church has among younger people. The campus chruch got massive crowds on days such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (Lots of students I know wouldnt even eat meat of drink on these days). Even drew in decents crowds each Sunday when you wouldnt expect a huge amount of students to be around.

Of course, but those same students will have no problem getting langered drunk, taking some illegal substances and then getting it on with some fine young lass/fella that night.

Catholicism = hypocrisy at large, in the vast majority of cases.

And for the record Ireland ain't a catholic country. I'm Irish, I ain't catholic (recently used CountMeOut to make certain of that) and I'm very proud of that. Another two generations and this sham of a religion will be dead, and society at large will be better for it.

sasser · 24-08-2010 10:59am

So say for example, someone in your workplace is X religion and gets up in the middle of the office and starts spouting love of their faith on and on, this is allowed?

sock puppet · 24-08-2010 10:59am

bm365 wrote: »

Exactly. I was surprised when I started college to see the large following the church has among younger people. The campus chruch got massive crowds on days such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (Lots of students I know wouldnt even eat meat of drink on these days). Even drew in decents crowds each Sunday when you wouldnt expect a huge amount of students to be around.

Sure you weren't over in St Patrick's College, Maynooth?:P

lyverbird1 · 24-08-2010 11:02am

Heard a similar discussion to this on a 4FM show recently, it was following a discussion based on whether the Angelus should continue and the rabid Catholics' rants were dreadful - one of the worst was one guy insisting that all non Catholics should be deported as Ireland was a 'Catholic country'. Such a fine example of the tolerance I believe Christians are supposed to exhibit. It reminds of why I'm glad to be a non denominational agnostic but sad that religion still turns too many people into intolerant bigots...

flyton5 · 24-08-2010 11:10am

I remember an interview on the radio quite recently and the reporter asked some aul wan for her opinion on the abuse survivors and bringing the priests to trial. She replied "they should leave the priests alone...the abused have gotten their pound of flesh". So maybe we are still a catholic country...blind eye turned to the odd murder or child rape...all is well etc.

If the whole catholic thing annoys you: http://countmeout.ie/

only takes a few mins to fill out...

Dravokivich · 24-08-2010 11:17am

lyverbird1 wrote: »

one guy insisting that all non Catholics should be deported as Ireland was a 'Catholic country'.

Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

Craebear · 24-08-2010 11:19am

It is to our great shame that Catholicism had such a grip on this nation and still clings on today. It holds us back as a people.

mickydoomsux · 24-08-2010 11:19am

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Of course, but those same students will have no problem getting langered drunk, taking some illegal substances and then getting it on with some fine young lass/fella that night.

Catholicism = hypocrisy at large, in the vast majority of cases.

What you're describing is the tendency of a lot of people to use religion as 'insurance' should something happen to them.

They believe that if they go to mass etc. whilst still acting as you outlined they'll still get into 'Heaven' if they get hit by a bus on the way home. It's a great fear tactic used by organised religion because people are terrified of the reality of death which is just oblivion.

philologos · 24-08-2010 11:20am

I think a lot of the level of opposition to benign things such as the Angelus, arises out of a need for atheists and agnostics to assert themselves as an established group in this country in a way that other demographic groups haven't had to.

lyverbird1 wrote:

one of the worst was one guy insisting that all non Catholics should be deported as Ireland was a 'Catholic country'. Such a fine example of the tolerance I believe Christians are supposed to exhibit. It reminds of why I'm glad to be a non denominational agnostic but sad that religion still turns too many people into intolerant bigots...

The problem is, to deport someone, you generally have to have a place where you can put them! :pac:

Non-Catholic also includes about 5-6% of Irish Christians.

Fratton Fred · 24-08-2010 11:22am

Dravokivich wrote: »

Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

The same place Wolfe Tone and Parnell came from I guess:D

ejmaztec · 24-08-2010 11:22am

Dravokivich wrote: »

Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

I'm thinking he was talking "Hell" for that one.:eek:

philologos · 24-08-2010 11:27am

sasser wrote: »

So say for example, someone in your workplace is X religion and gets up in the middle of the office and starts spouting love of their faith on and on, this is allowed?

You have the right to do this legally but your employer can fairly dismiss you for such behaviour. At work you are on your employers time, you are not on your own time.

Although, I see no problem if it comes up in mere conversation with colleagues. I mean for some questions, it will come up. Monday's "what did you do yesterday" could be very much answered by "well I went to church, then I did X, Y and Z". Such answers could very easily prompt more questions about your faith.

lyverbird1 · 24-08-2010 12:07pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

Dam... I would have loved to ask him... as a 'Non Catholic Irish Citizen' where should I be deported to exactly?

If it was somewhere with pleasant weather and a decently priced pint and they were willing to pay for me to move and live there, perhaps there is a deal to be done? I imagine not! I wonder did the caller to the show I was listening to pause for even a moment to consider the stupidity as well as the intolerance contained in his sentiments. Once again, I imagine not...

Fratton Fred · 24-08-2010 12:11pm

lyverbird1 wrote: »

If it was somewhere with pleasant weather and a decently priced pint and they were willing to pay for me to move and live there, perhaps there is a deal to be done? I imagine not! I wonder did the caller to the show I was listening to pause for even a moment to consider the stupidity as well as the intolerance contained in his sentiments. Once again, I imagine not...

Or consider what message that would have sent out to Unionists who still think Ireland is a catholic state for catholic people?

Not exactly dispelling any myths was he :pac:

Brendog · 24-08-2010 12:12pm

sasser wrote: »

Another discussion about religion on Ray Darcy

It clashes with his shoes...

Sticky_Fingers · 24-08-2010 12:32pm

DB10 wrote: »

The majority are Catholics.

Why don't you watch TV3 news instead of just crying for the sake of it?

The whole country doesn't revolve around you and your "needs". Or "wants" is probably a better way of putting it.

Why not, it revolved around the wishes of a old man in Rome for decades, perhaps it's our turn now to call the tune. There are many things in this country that many people want that the minions of the catholic church tried it's hardest to deny them, why should their needs outweigh ours.

This country made a mockery of the term Republic for years by bowing and scrapping to the clergy, thankfully we've woken up over the past decade or two and told these juju men where to stuff it but their influence still lingers on like a bad smell. You can practice your religion as much as you want but Catholic and Republic have no business being beside each other in a sentence anymore than tuna and toothpaste do.

DB10 · 24-08-2010 12:33pm

I think sasser needs to study law and the constitution, and learn that religion does not have to be private no matter which it is.

The world doesn't revolve around you.

"We are a Catholic country"

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