Exam Results - Delayed (Mod Warning: Post #383 & #420)

dlofnep · 02-02-2010 07:40PM

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

this disagreement is between the tui and the wit management

Where the students have to face the consequences of the said actions.

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

students should knuckle down and get stuck into their studies !

Which is what I have been doing for the past 4 years.

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

results will come when they come..........

Some of us need them ASAP. Coming when they come isn't satisfactory.

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

protests ,media and all these handbags rubbish being suggested,
ermm for what? prove a point?

I'd imagine to outline disgust towards the treatment of students.

jonsey · 02-02-2010 07:44PM

fuzzy21 wrote: »

83% of lectures voted for this.

Not true. There are about 600 lecturers in the college. There are about 400 in the union afaik. About 250 of those voted. So that's about 200 lecturers out of 600 who voted for it, which is 33% rather than 83%. Comments that use the phrase "all lecturers" by other people are not accurate. Also, remember than in general unions attract the more militant members of any workforce so the percentage of a vote in a union may not be representative of how the overall lecturer population feels.

exWITstudent · 02-02-2010 09:11PM

I am writing in relation to the delays in exam results....... yes I find this delay is inexcusable but at the same time I feel that if the majority of posters here are fourth year students who are worried about averages and the like, then perhaps your time would be better spent focusing on the job at hand...... your studies rather than giving out about the situation!! I just graduated there in january and from what I remember at this time last year I did not have time to be messing about online with mostly speculative facts - I mean really, 25 euro per exam.... doubtful! four exams corrected in one hour.....hardly!! Yes this is a terrible situation but I don't hear many people praising their lecturers (with the exception of one or two posts). I had a terrible time due to personal problems in my third and fourth years and a number of lecturers helped me out and went above and beyond the call of duty..... they stayed back after hours to help me catch up (and also anyone else in the class who wished to join us), constant emails and calls to make sure I was ok, and priceless advice on furthering my studies!!! and now I have a first class honours degree and will be back to do my masters next year!! so what I'm trying to say is take the good with the bad, set your personal goals and don't let anything get in the way of that. If you think lecturers are getting paid to much make them work for their money and I'm sure you will find that the majority of lecturers will be willing to do exactly that!!! So best of luck for your next (and for some final) semester!!

dlofnep · 02-02-2010 09:19PM

exWITstudent wrote: »

I am writing in relation to the delays in exam results....... yes I find this delay is inexcusable but at the same time I feel that if the majority of posters here are fourth year students who are worried about averages and the like, then perhaps your time would be better spent focusing on the job at hand...... your studies rather than giving out about the situation!!

Yes, because we spend 24 hours a day working on our studies. You do understand that people have a spare moment or two to comment on this situation, without affecting their studies, right?

Believe me - most of the students who are upset, are the ones who have been working hard and who are trying to pursue further education, such as masters degrees like myself - and who are in direct competition for such courses with other students across Ireland who have already graduated, and have the advantage of having their grades already submitted.

We are perfectly entitled to complain about not receiving exam results, that we have worked hard to achieve.

exWITstudent wrote: »

I just graduated there in january and from what I remember at this time last year I did not have time to be messing about online with mostly speculative facts

So you slept 8 hours a day, and studied for the other 16 hours? Let's not be silly. There's enough hours in the day to study, and take a few minutes to convey your thoughts about an issue on the internet.

exWITstudent wrote: »

I had a terrible time due to personal problems in my third and fourth years and a number of lecturers helped me out and went above and beyond the call of duty..... they stayed back after hours to help me catch up (and also anyone else in the class who wished to join us), constant emails and calls to make sure I was ok, and priceless advice on furthering my studies!!! and now I have a first class honours degree and will be back to do my masters next year!! so what I'm trying to say is take the good with the bad, set your personal goals and don't let anything get in the way of that. If you think lecturers are getting paid to much make them work for their money and I'm sure you will find that the majority of lecturers will be willing to do exactly that!!! So best of luck for your next (and for some final) semester!!

My issue isn't with the lecturers. It's with the WIT management if what I've heard is factually accurate. But I do feel that we are being punished for it all, and it isn't right to punish students who have worked hard all year.

thejanitor · 02-02-2010 09:24PM

CheesedOff wrote: »

Sitting here listening to matt cooper since it began waiting to hear about this issue but nothing has been mentioned yet.QUOTE]

Exactly nothing much about it across the media. I can tell you now exactly what will happen. It will get a few slots on the WLR FM & Beat News, maybe a few snaps for the local papers which will be held until next week when it will be old news because the papers are printed on a tuesday for delivery on Wednesdays.

The SU needs to stop wasting time with silly 1 hour protests and actually do something constructive for a change like concentrate on actually getting us our results and not on what the best way to p**s off the lecturers and college is.

we need to come together as a unit and show the college what we are made of and how as a student body we can come together and be a united group. I for one will be out in force with the rest of the students protesting tomorrow.

No we dont, The college are well aware of how capable the student body can come together as a group like rag week for example! We need to sort the issue at hand, not miss classes that will not be repeated, or create any more hassle around the situation in general. The media blitz will be more likely to contain headlines such as 3 WIT students arrested for vandalism and not Student Pawns etc.

Mollie1 · 02-02-2010 09:59PM

"we need to come together as a unit and show the college what we are made of and how as a student body we can come together and be a united group. "

Yet has anyone taken into account the second and fourth year Nursing students who are out on placement and geographically spread all over the region? How do they make their voices heard? Especially given such short notice for a protest. The issue of how teh student union interacts and involves nursing students has been raised on previous occasions but it would seem that the walk from the Comp. buildint to the nursing building is not only geopgraphical but political as well. Only for Sully's post we wouldn't even know the out come of the meeting that we weren't able to attend in the first place!

Murse89 · 02-02-2010 10:08PM

Mollie1 wrote: »

Yet has anyone taken into account the second and fourth year Nursing students who are out on placement and geographically spread all over the region? How do they make their voices heard? Especially given such short notice for a protest.

Here!Here!I know that our class rep is not and will not be in the county because she is placed in Carlow!So all we know is speculative and what I read here!Frankly I wish there was an easy way to transfer to a better institution!

Mollie1 · 02-02-2010 10:16PM

Murse89 wrote: »

Here!Here!I know that our class rep is not and will not be in the county because she is placed in Carlow!So all we know is speculative and what I read here!Frankly I wish there was an easy way to transfer to a better institution!

Couldn't agree with you more. This situation gets more and more ridiculous as time passes. Obviously our fees and registration charges don't entitle us to the same services as the rest of the students, i.e. fair representation - unless of course we go actively looking for the union. Maybe that's why there is no postal system for voting for SU reps when we our out on placement???

Sully · 02-02-2010 10:19PM

exWITstudent wrote: »

I am writing in relation to the delays in exam results....... yes I find this delay is inexcusable but at the same time I feel that if the majority of posters here are fourth year students who are worried about averages and the like, then perhaps your time would be better spent focusing on the job at hand...... your studies rather than giving out about the situation!! I just graduated there in january and from what I remember at this time last year I did not have time to be messing about online with mostly speculative facts - I mean really, 25 euro per exam.... doubtful!

I laughed. This arguement that people posting here, complaining or socialising are effectively wasters gives me a big smile and makes me chuckle. Why? Because its probably the most over used reponse to when students have a winge or complain "Oh well if you are complaining or posting here on Boards, then clearly your not working well enough".

My dear friend, lecturer or TUI member - may I point out that every single student has a different way of approaching exams and studying. Some study for several hours and take the rest off - and they do very very well. Others study non-stop, around the clock and become locked away having no life - and they do very well but have no social skills and **** all friends. Some people stress out over small issues. This particular issue is something that the student base, by a very clear majority, feel strongly about. It pisses them off they are being dragged into a dispute that should not involve them. It pissed them off that they paid for education and they are not fully getting it. It annoys them that many many many workers are loosing their jobs and it disgusts them that lecturers are arguing for the return of money that was given to them for five or so years, effectively as a bonus payment it could be argued, that the college wish to retract in budget cuts. The fancy wage packets could not go on forever and they would stop eventually. They should be proud of having a job in the first place considering the circumstances we find ourselves in economy and jobs wise. This is the feeling of students. They are angry, trying to get their work done but see the risk of not even having a summer exam - therefore not gradauting or moving onto the next year. What do you expect? Sit back and let the TUI/College walk all over students to get what they both want? No thanks, we wont be walked all over and will stand up for our rights.

four exams corrected in one hour.....hardly!! Yes this is a terrible situation but I don't hear many people praising their lecturers (with the exception of one or two posts). I had a terrible time due to personal problems in my third and fourth years and a number of lecturers helped me out and went above and beyond the call of duty..... they stayed back after hours to help me catch up (and also anyone else in the class who wished to join us), constant emails and calls to make sure I was ok, and priceless advice on furthering my studies!!! and now I have a first class honours degree and will be back to do my masters next year!!

There is good and bad in all walks of life. Students are angry that many lecturers either did not bother voting or voted to witthold results and not sit new exams such as summer. A HUGE gamble on their carrers. Their futures. Do you expect they do nothing, just because there are nice lecturers in the college?

WIT has some outstanding, very helpful, kind and caring lecturers who do their best for the students. We all know that but are focusing not on the kind, but the real issue at hand: Not getting our results, Not getting Summer Exams and risking our future. The bad outweighs the good.

so what I'm trying to say is take the good with the bad, set your personal goals and don't let anything get in the way of that. If you think lecturers are getting paid to much make them work for their money and I'm sure you will find that the majority of lecturers will be willing to do exactly that!!! So best of luck for your next (and for some final) semester!!

That my friend, is exactly what students are doing - not letting ANYTHING get in our way. We will fight and fight until we are listened to.

thejanitor wrote: »

Exactly nothing much about it across the media. I can tell you now exactly what will happen. It will get a few slots on the WLR FM & Beat News, maybe a few snaps for the local papers which will be held until next week when it will be old news because the papers are printed on a tuesday for delivery on Wednesdays.

We are at this stage already, as I have said. I expect more mainstream media to pick up on it over the coming days - RTE and all national papers.

The SU needs to stop wasting time with silly 1 hour protests and actually do something constructive for a change like concentrate on actually getting us our results and not on what the best way to p**s off the lecturers and college is.
No we dont, The college are well aware of how capable the student body can come together as a group like rag week for example! We need to sort the issue at hand, not miss classes that will not be repeated, or create any more hassle around the situation in general. The media blitz will be more likely to contain headlines such as 3 WIT students arrested for vandalism and not Student Pawns etc.

How do you propose they do that? They have tried and failed. Students want action, they dont want to be used and they want their results and normality to return to the system. Pissing of the lecturers and college seems to be the only way they will listen at this stage.

Mollie1 wrote: »

"we need to come together as a unit and show the college what we are made of and how as a student body we can come together and be a united group. "

Yet has anyone taken into account the second and fourth year Nursing students who are out on placement and geographically spread all over the region? How do they make their voices heard? Especially given such short notice for a protest. The issue of how teh student union interacts and involves nursing students has been raised on previous occasions but it would seem that the walk from the Comp. buildint to the nursing building is not only geopgraphical but political as well. Only for Sully's post we wouldn't even know the out come of the meeting that we weren't able to attend in the first place!

I would suggest raising this with one of the WITSU officers, as its something I cant comment on (as I have no idea). The meeting was public - you could have attended even if you were not a class rep.

Mollie1 · 02-02-2010 10:32PM

Sully, I know the meeting was public, how could I attend as I was completeing a twelve hour shift as part of my course requirment for which I now have no exam results? Woulsd any of the SU members pay back the time owed? Not only do all exams have to be passed but all our placements must be completed in full. If we miss a day we get an uncomplete in our final results till the day is paid back during our summer holidays. This issue has been raised, it is not that student nurses are not interested or supportive of the Union but it is prceived that we are alienated, ffs we weren't even informed of the meeting, and as stated earlier the only info that any of us out on placement has received is via boards, gossip and speculation.

jonsey · 02-02-2010 10:38PM

Sully wrote: »

it disgusts them that lecturers are arguing for more money when they should be proud of having a bloody job in the first place. This is the feeling of students.

Can you explain why any student would think that the lecturers are arguing for more money? I was under the impression that they were willing to take less money (on top of the pay cuts they've already taken) and it was just a matter of how much less. If any student can't even get that straight in their head then they're better off not getting their exam results.

Murse89 · 02-02-2010 10:39PM

Nothing worse than a scorned Nurse!lol......But in fairness Mollie our own department alienates us on day one "You are not like normal students,you are young professionals,and should act and expect to be treated as one".What a lovely way to welcome us to WIT,luckily I'm in 2nd year and can afford the option of transferring if this issue is not resolved by the Summer as none of my exams so far contribute to my degree.
Good luck with the protest and/or any other tactics being employed during this awful time,would that I could be there......

Mollie1 · 02-02-2010 10:50PM

Murse89 wrote: »

Nothing worse than a scorned Nurse!lol......But in fairness Mollie our own department alienates us on day one "You are not like normal students,you are young professionals,and should act and expect to be treated as one".What a lovely way to welcome us to WIT,luckily I'm in 2nd year and can afford the option of transferring if this issue is not resolved by the Summer as none of my exams so far contribute to my degree.
Good luck with the protest and/or any other tactics being employed during this awful time,would that I could be there......

LOL I agree with you about the department alienating us lol! All the more reason to have the support of the SU! I'm cheesed not only because of the results, but mostly because I can't protest as I'm out on the placement and because the horses mouth doesn't seem to be in action. I know class reps on placement can't get to meetings and so many won't be able to protest and it's frustrating. I'd love to be out demonstrating, but on the other side there was a meeting in first year about attendance letters that was held with the student rep and we were assured the issue would be resolved and it just seems to have been forgotten about, so it's not like the union is not aware of those out on placement or student nurses concerns with regard to being actively involved in fighting for our rights.
I wish you all the best if you transfer but for the minute I would hope that has many students as possible protest tomorrow, and that the students and faculty accept that for those of us that aren't there there are some valid reasons, and thet we are not off shopping in Newry, socialising or sitting in the Dome getting off our heads.
Best of luck to you all!

alpha2zulu · 02-02-2010 11:29PM

jonsey wrote: »

Can you explain why any student would think that the lecturers are arguing for more money? I was under the impression that they were willing to take less money (on top of the pay cuts they've already taken) and it was just a matter of how much less. If any student can't even get that straight in their head then they're better off not getting their exam results.

One of the things that was mentioned in the meeting was that the dispute is not even about money anymore in the eyes of the TUI, but rather it is the issue of the grievance procedure/gentlemans agreemnet between the TUI and WIT. Does it make things even more pathetic..in my view yes.

Mollie1 wrote: »

The issue of how teh student union interacts and involves nursing students has been raised on previous occasions but it would seem that the walk from the Comp. buildint to the nursing building is not only geopgraphical but political as well. Only for Sully's post we wouldn't even know the out come of the meeting that we weren't able to attend in the first place!

Are the SU guys perfect...no.
Are there some serious questions to be answered by them on certain issues when this is all over...yes,
But in fairness all the news regarding whats happening has made it (eventually) to their FB page at some point. Beleive me I'm not drinking the WITSU koolaid, just look back at some of my previous posts if you don't beleive me, but for the moment at least I really feel what the guys are doing is the best collective method to do whatever we can particularly when you consider they have circa 10000 people to keep happy. What was discussed at the class rep meeting was mainly student driven and what was agreed on was practically unanimously endorsed by everyone there.

Murse89 wrote: »

Here!Here!I know that our class rep is not and will not be in the county because she is placed in Carlow!So all we know is speculative and what I read here!Frankly I wish there was an easy way to transfer to a better institution!

Feeling the same way myself, if somebody said to me this sort of action was possible back when I applied to WIT in 2006 no doubt I would have applied to a "proper" institution/uni elsewhere. Such a pity because all the lecturers good will and help to us over the years is now down the toilet in my book. If somebody asked me today should they go to WIT, I honestly cant say I'd point them in this direction if they had the points to go elsewhere. I hoped that the 'back in the USSR' mentality in this town died with the glass factory but apparently not.

Mollie1 · 02-02-2010 11:37PM

It is pathetic, and I hope they realise that they have royally shot themselves in the foot with regard to University status.

jonsey · 02-02-2010 11:48PM

Mollie1 wrote: »

It is pathetic, and I hope they realise that they have royally shot themselves in the foot with regard to University status.

That bird has flown a long time ago. If they didn't spend so much on trying to push for it they might have money to pay for things like exam corrections now. It certainly doesn't do the college's name any good alright though.

Deisekickboxing · 02-02-2010 11:54PM

anyone ive spoken to are not going out on some idiotic pointless protest against

the student body as a whole lost all credibility with the carry on back in december,
public sympathy ,i dont think so....

but im sure theyll get a crowd out there amazing what people will do for free lollypops or pizza & coke....:rolleyes:

Mollie1 · 02-02-2010 11:55PM

jonsey wrote: »

That bird has flown a long time ago. If they didn't spend so much on trying to push for it they might have money to pay for things like exam corrections now. It certainly doesn't do the college's name any good alright though.

Nope, and how long has it taken for student's graduating from IT's to be taken as seriously as other uni's. Now we don't even have results to show for our academic achievements lol. Hardly going to entice students is it?

alpha2zulu · 03-02-2010 12:01AM

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

anyone ive spoken to are not going out on some idiotic pointless protest against the student body as a whole lost all credibility with the carry on back in december,
public sympathy ,i dont think so....

So what else do you propose...roll over and be tickled for god knows how long by the useless WIT management and self centred TUI.

Gael23 · 03-02-2010 12:08AM

As far as im aware- YFG has some form of protest planned for thursday?

Mollie1 · 03-02-2010 12:09AM

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

anyone ive spoken to are not going out on some idiotic pointless protest against the student body as a whole lost all credibility with the carry on back in december,
public sympathy ,i dont think so....

but im sure theyll get a crowd out there amazing what people will do for free lollypops or pizza & coke....:rolleyes:

Surely the point is that the student body is demonstrating that they are capable of constructive protest about an issue? Perhaps the more students that go out and voice their opinion may show the public that we are not lager swilling pee heads but people who value, respect and take our education seriously?

stick-dan · 03-02-2010 12:15AM

With regards to speaking of things that have flown their course, this whole bash against the union and what they organised has been asked repeatedly on this thread a number of times to stop and concentrate on the major matter at hand. Can people all stop with the bashing please? I have condemned them more than most in the past but at the moment they are doing sterling work being there all day and night sorting out things that just because you haven't heard anything about yet doesn't mean they aren't happening behind the scenes. Who here was in the union lately to help? Who went to make posters? Who went to help with the media publicity inquires? Who went to hand out leaflets around estates into houses to try inform the student body of what is going on?

Unless you did anything and got off your ass to help you cannot talk about a union executive that is working for you alongside students, such as a few of us here, including myself who have done a few things. Stop hitting at the union. As soon as the mod arrives, i hope so too do the bans. Jesus it's easy to jump on the lets hit the union bandwagon but in a case such as this where unity is of utmost importance we dont need your behavior and attitude. This week i'm sick to the teeth of idiots running their mouths about not getting results and then not backing the union and student body in whatever action is decided. So what if you dont agree, a majority voted for it, the rep you voted in and put your trust in voted for this decision, stand by it and stand by your peers and be there and counted on the day.

Let's forget about the union for a second and all your discrepancies with them or whatever ill feelings you have towards them. Think about it this way. There is a dispute between the TUI and WIT. It should have stayed that way between just them two. It hasn't, the student body has been dragged into this debacle and it is now clear that this situation is extremely serious. Careers, Jobs, Futures, Plans all hang in the balance as it stands. We did not ask for this and we have done no wrong. All grudges aside, we need to unite, we need to rally together, we need to have a voice, we need to be heard. We don't need a protest falling apart due to internal bitterness amongst students and the students union. We need cope on. Those who are posting arguments against the union and the action they are taking and are refusing to protest need to think to themselves about;

Their peers, the people you've been in class all the years with. Your peers may want or need their results, it's important to them, respect their rights.

The same peers again who are already beginning to loose out on job opportunities in a climate where it is already next to near impossible to simply get an interview.

The fact that we need a voice, how or whichever way it comes is irrelevant now, it was voted upon at student council, end of. If you wanted to voice your opinion you should have been there. The posters were up, there was nothing to stop you coming in.

You may think the union are doing nothing but a very good point was made today in my understanding,
"what would have been the point in having a media blitz today with no events ongoing?"
The media is meant to be organised for tomorrow it was said at the meeting it would be and i have no reason to believe it wont materialize.

Lads seriously can we put aside the bitterness for whatever reason it is.It's not doing any good.

mayordenis · 03-02-2010 12:41AM

Righto, any post at all that is not constructive and not conducive to carrying this debate forward will be removed, if I feel the need the person will also be removed.

Anything vaguely slanderous or insulting will only result in a ban, there are a few posts here that should probably result in a ban as it stands but I'm giving everyone a last chance, that's everyone. I don't care if you've behaved well up until now.

There are 2 options remaining if any more nonsense is spouted, bans or the thread being closed.
Good informed debate.

Consider this to be a line drawn in the sand

purplestain · 03-02-2010 01:07AM

Ahem! wrote: »

A lot of pretty incoherent posts on this thread. Most of them emanating from one source, however, it has to be said.

Alpha, just a couple of questions?

What exactly do you think a grievance procedure is? And what's it for?

Secondly, do you really believe that a you can have a ballot for 'industrial action' that doesn't clearly state what the proposed action is?

A grievance procedure is a fomerly agreed set of actions that an employer and the trade union on behalf of the employees have negotiated should there be a disagreement or a problem between both parties. The point of a grievance procedure is to exhaust all the steps which they have agreed to take to avoid having to go through third party resolutions such as IR officers and the likes.

The Labour Relations Court is also known as the court of last resort, self-explanitory really, its the place you go to when you have exhausted all other options. Because WIT did not follow their grievance procedure by submitting this case to the LRC this allowed the TUI to break the college code of practice and have the lecturers take industrial action i.e. refusing to correct our exams, refusing to turn in exam results and they are also refusing to write exam scripts for the summer exams.

EDIT: They are not looking for more money, they are looking for money they are owed. They get paid 4 euro per paper they correct. Correct me if I'm wrong but I understand they didn't get paid for correcting our Autumn repeats and were told in October that they would be getting 2 euro per paper they correct in the future as the college don't have the money. Which is where the dispute began. I'll probably get slated for this but I think they should be at least given what hey are owed - I know I know they're already raking it in but you should be paid what you're supposed to get paid. This goes without saying I think it's disgusting that they're whining over their cushy jobs while the ordinary Joe Soap has to borrow money to pay electricity bills and over 130'000 people have signed onto the Live Register since last year.

At the end of the day whether the lecturers are getting 1 euro an hour or 100 an hour, the main points are: 1. They would not even have their jobs in the first place without us the students and 2. It goes to show through the course of action they have chosen to take they don't really care about us, their in it for cold hard cash - fact!

mayordenis · 03-02-2010 01:14AM

No more generalising either, in all aspects of life and work you will get people who care less or more, to say they all don't care is an assumption that I won't tolerate.

purplestain · 03-02-2010 01:31AM

mayordenis wrote: »

No more generalising either, in all aspects of life and work you will get people who care less or more, to say they all don't care is an assumption that I won't tolerate.

This is not an assumption, this my opinion and I'm entitled to it, and a vote of 84% to take this type of action can't be wrong. Let me rephrase: In my opinion, 84% of the lecturers who are in the TUI don't care about the students, they care about their pay cheque.

Clano · 03-02-2010 01:36AM

mayordenis wrote: »

No more generalising either, in all aspects of life and work you will get people who care less or more, to say they all don't care is an assumption that I won't tolerate.

Yes thaths true but in going along with the union i believe they are effectively taring themselves with the one brush, i know they cant really go against their union as they will be ousted or shunned, but i do believe if lecturers did care they could give us the results, which they already have corrected , unofficially and effectively take us out of the loop

thejanitor · 03-02-2010 01:39AM

Keeping this discussion on topic

FACT - The WIT and the TUI are in dispute over payment issues for the marking of exam papers. The core issue therefore resides between WIT and the TUI.

It is also fact that the students are in the firing line of this dispute, however it is not the students issue. The core issue must be resolved by WIT & TUI or bound by the LRC or LC depending on how far it goes.

The WIT are not going to let this issue drag on as it will cost the college more money to not run the summer exams on schedule.

In relation to the bitterness with the WITSU

FACT - The union did let themselves down badly on Monday by reducing themselves to childish name-calling of lecturers and senior management. While this may be tolerated by most of the general student body, other mature and postgrad students like myself automatically seen the immatureness for what it was at face value. This lost the support of the grand majority of mature/postgrad students.

It should have been top priority to communicate with students via every electronic avenue possible such as website, email etc the proceedings that took place at Monday's meeting which never occurred apart from an initial statement on Monday night.

FACT - A poster was hung around campus today that looked like a fun day out to a rugby match. This in fact was the poster to encourage everyone to take part in the demonstration on Wednesday. This could have been more tasteful and maybe contained a picture of a pawn etc like what was suggested initially at the meeting on Monday.

FACT - The WIT is under obligation to write to all students to inform them of the current dispute which resulted in exam results not being released. This is standard practise which the WITSU had nothing to do with.

The list goes on and on but my basic point is, in my opinion the WITSU are only further confusing the situation and will not resolve it any faster than the current procedure with the LRC. The demonstration is a pure waste of time by missing classes and holding up staff (non TUI ) that have nothing to do with the situation. All you are doing is having a knock on effect for someone else to fall into the crossfire.

Clano · 03-02-2010 02:06AM

did ye see this???
http://www.wit.ie/exams/

Sully · 03-02-2010 03:14AM

jonsey wrote: »

Can you explain why any student would think that the lecturers are arguing for more money? I was under the impression that they were willing to take less money (on top of the pay cuts they've already taken) and it was just a matter of how much less. If any student can't even get that straight in their head then they're better off not getting their exam results.

Well spotted - poor phrasing on my part, ill edit the post. The agreement that was in place could be debated in terms of whether it was right or wrong. Some would say they should have never been paid that sum, others would say they should. Right now, the college wants to save (apparently) money by cutting out extra payments - this being one.

I think you will find pretty much all my posts have been fairly accurate - expect mistakes and tell me if I slip up. We ain't all as perfect as you

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