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  • #212
    Maxtor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Maxtor


    I heard from a lecturer that the summer exams won't be submitted if it isn't sorted, so yet again thats a target toward us! The student body.

    Is everyone protesting tomorow?


  • #213
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Maxtor wrote: »
    I heard from a lecturer that the summer exams won't be submitted if it isn't sorted, so yet again thats a target toward us! The student body.

    That was part of the industrial action voted on by the TUI. Exams wont be made if the dispute is not resolved.
    Is everyone protesting tomorow?

    Hopefully. :P


  • #214
    Maxtor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Maxtor


    Sully wrote: »
    That was part of the industrial action voted on by the TUI. Exams wont be made if the dispute is not resolved.



    Hopefully. :P

    Yeah it wont make an impact otherwise. I will crack up if we don't have Summer exams, we have nothing to do with this, ARGH!!!


  • #215
    aassdd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭aassdd


    So this "huge media blitz" that SU are so keen on consists of a 1 hour protest outside the library and another 1 hour protest at college street???

    What a load of crap?!

    What media except for WLR are going to five a fcuk about that??

    Come on now lads, so much for this action!!!

    A 1 hour strike sounds pretty lame to me anyway..

    Sure SU might as well go hide away with the management


  • #216
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    So far the coverage has been, since last week and continuing this week, from WIT YFG:-

    Beat102103
    WLRFM (incl. Billy McCarthy show)
    RTE Radio 1 (Joe Duffy)
    Waterford News and Star
    Irish Indo

    Expect more over the coming days. I assume WITSU are just up to their eyes trying to organise everything else.


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  • #217
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    Why are people still focussed on pointing the finger of blame? Management, TUI, Lecturers etc, is that really the issue here?

    I thought that the issue was that it had absolutely NOTHING to do with the students, but rather a pay dispute or unfair working conditions for these poor employed souls. Why are the students being brought into it? This is the issue! We haven't caused this problem, it is not right that we suffer the consequence.

    Lets stop trying to fight a battle for who is more to blame and lets just spend time coming up with more ideas on what can be done and advising everyone we know to take part tomorrow. Matt Cooper in an hour so top up the phones and prepare to call.

    People applying to CAO still have the option of a change of mind form, lets remind them of the bad choice they will make coming to a college that would treat the students this way or allow things to get out of hand like this.

    I dont' believe that they will allow it get so bad that we won't have summer exams but why should we even have to hear such bullsh*t, do they have any idea the stress that threats like these bring on students, especially final year students?

    There should be no student sitting at home or walking around town tomorrow between 12-2, everyone needs to stand up to this ridiculous, unfair and dismissive treatment of the students.

    I also think this forum will only be of benefit if we use it from here on in, to spin ideas on what else we can do to get ourself heard.


  • #218
    2Bv¬2B
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭2Bv¬2B


    I'm a little disappointed there has nothing being posted from the WITSU, most noticeably on the facebook page.

    It's now just 4 o clock and still nothing.

    Glad to see YFG have done something.


  • #219
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    2Bv¬2B wrote: »
    I'm a little disappointed there has nothing being posted from the WITSU, most noticeably on the facebook page.

    It's now just 4 o clock and still nothing.


    The facebook page has details about the protest tomorrow.

    Main Campus 12- 1
    College Street 2-3


  • #220
    2Bv¬2B
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭2Bv¬2B


    CheesedOff wrote: »
    The facebook page has details about the protest tomorrow.

    Main Campus 12- 1
    College Street 2-3

    That's nothing new, that was decided in the meeting


  • #221
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    2Bv¬2B wrote: »
    I'm a little disappointed there has nothing being posted from the WITSU, most noticeably on the facebook page.

    It's now just 4 o clock and still nothing.

    They are still working on the schedule afaik. Though, personally, I would not be keen on having it published. If the college is fully aware exactly what we plan on doing, they will probably work around it. If we keep it quiet, we have a better chance of actually effecting them.
    Glad to see YFG have done something.

    Its been fairy busy alright. We are working hard on getting more mainstream media to take notice but its not that easy. So far, locally, we have had great reaction from the press and its not over yet.

    Its important that this issue is in the public domain because clearly dealing with it internally is not working.


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  • #222
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    Sully wrote: »
    They are still working on the schedule afaik. Though, personally, I would not be keen on having it published. If the college is fully aware exactly what we plan on doing, they will probably work around it. If we keep it quiet, we have a better chance of actually effecting them.


    That is true, how to inform the student body without it becoming staff knowledge? Unless SU print out a detailed sheet and give everyone at the protest tomorrow a copy? Or if every student goes in and gets a copy at some point tomorrow from the SU, (with student card in hand)


  • #223
    jonsey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭jonsey


    Not sure this protest will do us any favours. Firstly, I'm not sure how much notice the management and lecturers (or union to be precise as not all lecturers are in agreement on this issue it seems) will take of it. Both sides seem fairly determined.

    Secondly, to an outside observer it may seem that we are moaning at a very early stage. I know that even if the green and whites are handed in it will take a while for the board meetings and so on - maybe a few days before we get the results but at this point the results aren't even a day late. Imagine how the conversation would go tomorrow between a student and a reporter (if any reporters turn up):

    Reporter: So why are ye protesting today?
    Student: We are being used as pawns in a dispute between the college management and the union and lecturers have refused to submit our results. It's an absolute disgrace, we have done nothing wrong and deserve the results. I can't believe we've been made wait so long.
    Reporter: When we the results due out?
    Student: Yesterday afternoon!
    Reporter: Oh! See ya later.

    Thirdly, it is highly likely that a number of students will take their protest too far and give the rest of us a bad name (as happens on Christmas day for example). This is the last thing that we need and if we cause a disruption like blocking traffic and the Guards are called do you think they'll be patient with some of our student body breaking the law after what they have to deal with on Christmas day and other days or do you think they'd take the side of their fellow public servants?

    Everyone has given details of how they have tried to ask their lecturer about the results but nobody has detailed how we have tried to get the management to give us answers.


  • #224
    CommsGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭CommsGirl


    The Student President's phone was hopping during the meeting and I know as I was sitting beside her and the phone last night during the meeting. Attacking the President is counter productive her. And as for saying that she acted unprofessionally during the meeting I do think your wrong to say that. She has been working really hard as have all the officers within the SU and I think attacking us is not really very productive. As for the media and nothing been done by the SU, we are working on getting the story out to all the news stations and the national and local press officers.


  • #225
    anon99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭anon99


    CheesedOff wrote: »
    That is true, how to inform the student body without it becoming staff knowledge? Unless SU print out a detailed sheet and give everyone at the protest tomorrow a copy? Or if every student goes in and gets a copy at some point tomorrow from the SU, (with student card in hand)

    This is a PUBLIC board........don't you think us staff read this too?!


  • #226
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    CommsGirl wrote: »
    The Student President's phone was hopping during the meeting and I know as I was sitting beside her and the phone last night during the meeting. Attacking the President is counter productive her. And as for saying that she acted unprofessionally during the meeting I do think your wrong to say that. She has been working really hard as have all the officers within the SU and I think attacking us is not really very productive. As for the media and nothing been done by the SU, we are working on getting the story out to all the news stations and the national and local press officers.

    Mod Warning
    Final Warning - if you continue to drag this topic off course with anymore SU rambles, I will have no choice but to issue a ban. I suggest you contact the president before commenting here in such a capacity again, as we would all prefer this topic continued with its original purpose.

    If you have any concerns or questions about this, you may contact me. Otherwise, please stick to the topic.


  • #227
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    anon99 wrote: »
    This is a PUBLIC board........don't you think us staff read this too?!

    Yes.

    Which is why I suggested a detailed list being handed out to students at the protest or students dropping into the union with their student card to get a copy.

    Hope that is clear enough for you 'lecturer'


  • #228
    fuzzy21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭fuzzy21


    can we just face it, lecturers dont give a crap about students, only getting paid, they could have at least submitted the results for final year students and people doing thier masters degrees. Most master students paid fee's of 6,500 euro upwards to do thier masters degree. gettin your results is a good kick up the back side to do well the next semester if you havnt done so well the previous one . WIT is turning into a joke and dont get me started on how the computing courses are run in the college. Absoloulte JOKE! Id advise anyone to considering to WIT at this stage Not to...


  • #229
    CommsGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭CommsGirl


    I would have to disagree with you about what you said about Lecturers nothing giving a crap about students. Even though the T.U.I. have balloted their members to not give the students their exam results not all of them agree with what has happened or is happening. I think we need to look at the big picture here which is how we effectively show the TUI and WIT that we will not be pushed around.


  • #230
    anon99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭anon99


    CheesedOff wrote: »
    Yes.



    Hope that is clear enough for you 'lecturer'

    'lecturer'? foolish assumption


  • #231
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    CommsGirl wrote: »
    I would have to disagree with you about what you said about Lecturers nothing giving a crap about students. Even though the T.U.I. have balloted their members to not give the students their exam results not all of them agree with what has happened or is happening. I think we need to look at the big picture here which is how we effectively show the TUI and WIT that we will not be pushed around.


    AGREED!


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  • #232
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    anon99 wrote: »
    'lecturer'? foolish assumption


    True, thought of that a few mins later, with all the mention of lecturers I guess it was at the forefront of my mind.

    But I take and accept your point.


  • #233
    fuzzy21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭fuzzy21


    okay maybe i was a bit harsh, but gettin fairly annoyed about this. 83% of lectures voted for this. Some reprimand could have been made for final year students. These results could impact us for the rest of our lives! e.g if we need to brush up to get an hons average. And to a lecturer that was on here sayin we should have the work done allready and not worry about the results has obviously never done a computing degree!


  • #234
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    fuzzy21 wrote: »
    can we just face it, lecturers dont give a crap about students, only getting paid, they could have at least submitted the results for final year students and people doing thier masters degrees. Most master students paid fee's of 6,500 euro upwards to do thier masters degree. gettin your results is a good kick up the back side to do well the next semester if you havnt done so well the previous one . WIT is turning into a joke and dont get me started on how the computing courses are run in the college. Absoloulte JOKE! Id advise anyone to considering to WIT at this stage Not to...

    I don't think the lecturers are doing this to punish us. They are doing it as a matter of principle. The amount of money that they make to correct isn't all that much. Of all the one's I've spoken to - it's an issue of principle, rather than trying to line their pockets.

    I say this as someone who's applied for a masters degree this september and need my results ASAP. I'm deeply affected by this like every other student, and hope the staff can come to an agreement - but the WIT management must meet them half-way.

    All this being said, and I'm always in support of workers who are being disrespected by their employers - The only people losing out in this are the students. We've worked hard for our exams and deserve our results. If money isn't the real issue, then I sincerely hope a compromise can be reached very soon. I'm fed up with this whole affair and it's really cut any confidence I've ever had in WIT.

    I appreciate that many lecturers care alot about their students and aren't intending to hurt them by this - but consequently, they are being hurt. I feel that the onus is on the WIT management to resolve disputes with their staff so this can move forward and that both parties can come to sensible conclusion, ASAP. This isn't money we're playing with, this is the future of all students.


  • #235
    CommsGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭CommsGirl


    Listen I totally agree with you on the point that this debacle is harsh on students. And believe me when I say I am with the Student Body on everything that you are going through. I am just as annoyed about this whole situation and we need to come together as a unit and show the college what we are made of and how as a student body we can come together and be a united group. I for one will be out in force with the rest of the students protesting tomorrow. Also I want to apologise for bringing the topic a bit of base earlier. I never meant to do that. I hope that the majority of people on here will join me at the protests tomorrow.


  • #236
    KeelanM90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭KeelanM90


    Sully wrote: »
    It doesn't take that long, to be fair. They should be all over local radio by now. But, since they have a load of other work to do - I assume this has not been given the full attention yet.

    I get that to grab media attention shouldn't take too long but as was said at the meeting, the idea is to stay in the media as long as possible and having the media around with no events happening would be nothing more than a waste of time!


  • #237
    alpha2zulu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭alpha2zulu


    Hey just to clarify, what was the WITSU stance on individual students contacting local and national media this week now that the exam deadline has passed. If the WITSU are so 'up to their eyes' as somebody mentioned earlier, is there any harm of us trying to do our bit to get media attention. I was at the meeting yesterday, but to be honest so much was said I could have missed it.


  • #238
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    alpha 2 zulu wrote: »
    Hey just to clarify, what was the WITSU stance on individual students contacting local and national media this week now that the exam deadline has passed. If the WITSU are so up tp their eyes as somebody mentioned earlier, is there any harm of us trying to do our bit to get media attention. I was at the meeting yesterday, but to be honest so much was said I could have missed it.

    It's a free world. You don't need the SU's permission to contact the media about anything. Be your own person.


  • #239
    alpha2zulu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭alpha2zulu


    dlofnep wrote: »
    It's a free world. You don't need the SU's permission to contact the media about anything. Be your own person.
    I know that but when I suggested something similar last week the idea was shot down. Obviously one mail aint going to do anything but 2 or 3 dozen from the posters on here has some bit of potential at least.


  • #240
    CheesedOff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭CheesedOff


    alpha 2 zulu wrote: »
    I know that but when I suggested something similar last week the idea was shot down. Obviously one mail aint going to do anything but 2 or 3 dozen from the posters on here has some bit of potential at least.

    Sitting here listening to matt cooper since it began waiting to hear about this issue but nothing has been mentioned yet, i wrote in but obviously there is no point in calling unless we have some spokespeople/person to get the facts out there.
    Is Matt Cooper being saved for tomorrow? Or does anyone know anything about it? WLR - billy mccarthy and rte - Joe Duffy have podcasts for todays show up, listened to them and no mention of this.


    Anyone any update on what else is being done other than the protest tomorrow? I thought there would be talk of this all over the radio and tv as of yesterday? Hopefully tomorrow sheds new light on the situation.

    I really really want my results. This is unbelievably frustrating.


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  • #241
    Deisekickboxing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Deisekickboxing


    this disagreement is between the tui and the wit management


    students should knuckle down and get stuck into their studies !
    results will come when they come..........
    protests ,media and all these handbags rubbish being suggested,
    ermm for what? prove a point?
    what point? that they have no patience to wait or just do what the su tells them to do,try to interfere in an official dispute ??? :rolleyes:


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