Hate the English??

Fratton Fred · 29-09-2009 07:37PM

blinding wrote: »

You were doing so well for awhile there. Seriously I was reading your answer in agreement and then came across this.

Have a word with your self will ya.

Sorry, my attempt at sarcasm was pretty poor there.

Fratton Fred · 29-09-2009 07:42PM

Dudess wrote: »

That's a very good point - I remember Ken Loach saying, when The Wind That Shakes The Barley came out, one of the greatest tragedies of the conflict was that both the Irish and the Black & Tans and other poor and working class English people had far more in common than they realised seeing as they were both being ****ed over by the ruling elites.

The Peterloo massacre is a good example, if that had happened in Ireland the republican spin machine would have a field day. Same with the anti catholic laws in England (which were as harsh, if not harsher than in Ireland) and the tolpuddle martyrs.

A lot is made of deportation to botany bay and van demons land, but the Irish only made up 25% of those deported and yet there was not the population disparity as there is today.

Dudess · 29-09-2009 08:20PM

And some toff behind a colossal mahogany desk sending thousands upon thousands of young men (some of them only boys) from poor backgrounds to their deaths in the trenches...

The Black & Tans were undoubtedly brutal and while many of them were simply thuggish bullies, a huge number of them were messed up, dehumanised WWI veterans.

Greyfox · 29-09-2009 08:28PM

Quality wrote: »

tbh they are quite ignorant of Irish History.

Well what do you expect? They played a major part in world war one and world war two as well as conquering half the world, their history involves almost every other country in the world. Ireland is just another small country that they invaded, and tbh we only deserve to be a small part of English history! They invaded so many countries they can't be expected to remember what happened in each one!

EU RULES · 29-09-2009 08:30PM

We as Irish are much more aware of English than they are of us. Honestly many wouldn't even consider Ireland as a rival in any stretch of the imagination. The Scottish English rival is everything. To them we are just another foreign country. Also they're close proximity to France ensures that there is much bigger rivalry between French and English. Irish just don't come into it.

Kev_ps3 · 29-09-2009 08:43PM

I will say this, if you read Irish history and realise what our/my ancestors had to put up with, its hard not to hate the English.

Greyfox · 29-09-2009 08:47PM

blinding wrote: »

The removal of this law would be a huge stepping stone in the reconciliation between Catholic and Protestant and between the British and the Irish.

No it wouldn't, most Irish people are unaware this law even exists, tbh it's about as significant to Irish peple as the price of milk in India, any Irishman who even gives a second thought to this law needs to find themselves a hobby or some friends!

Reconciliation? relations between England and Ireland have never been better!

EU RULES · 29-09-2009 08:48PM

What about the Normans and the Vikings?

Greyfox · 29-09-2009 08:52PM

ch750536 wrote: »

I was born in England & lived there till I was 30

So you're English then and always will be, you should be saying "we" and not "the English"!

ejmaztec · 29-09-2009 08:54PM

Greyfox wrote: »

Well what do you expect? They played a major part in world war one and world war two as well as conquering half the world, their history involves almost every other country in the world. Ireland is just another small country that they invaded, and tbh we only deserve to be a small part of English history! They invaded so many countries they can't be expected to remember what happened in each one!

Weren't they invited in by some Irish chieftain, before deciding to hang around for 800 years?

Elliemental · 29-09-2009 08:55PM

A 25 page thread about Anglo - Irish relations, and it`s still not been locked, or even descended (too much), into a slanging match. This must be a record!
Or, maybe, its` proof that things really are moving forward?

stovelid · 29-09-2009 08:56PM

ch750536 wrote: »

What I hate about the English.

I hate the way they assume they are a world power and must be treated as such (Link)

I hate the way they behave when overseas with no respect for the locals (Link)

I hate the way the people of England lie down when they should be standing up (Link)

I hate the way they refuse to integrate when moving overseas (lots of 'Little Englands' all over the place)

I hate the way they lie about foreign policy, then do nothing when the lie is proven.(Link)

I hate they way they look down on others (seen this many times myself)

I hate the way the create rules for fun (link)

I could go on, but there is a lot to hate.

I was born in England & lived there till I was 30, I was one of the few who constantly thought we were wrong, so I left.

Hopefully the attitudes will change, then I may return.

All too convenient.

You're part of the fifth column, waiting to take advantage of our economic perils.

philologos · 29-09-2009 09:02PM

blinding wrote: »

The removal of this law would be a huge stepping stone in the reconciliation between Catholic and Protestant and between the British and the Irish.

So many people say its no big deal but it still remains in place.

It doesn't have any impact whatsoever on Catholic and Protestant relations in Ireland. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland are Presbyterians, not Anglicans, so they won't really care that much either.

I'm personally an Anglican, but I get on fine with Catholics whether or not the Queen is the head of the Anglican Church or not. I don't see how removing the restriction on entry to the royal family will mark an improvement in relations between myself and my Catholic friends. They're already good.

Dudess · 29-09-2009 09:03PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I will say this, if you read Irish history and realise what our/my ancestors had to put up with, its hard not to hate the English.

If an English person said "If you realise what the IRA did to English people, it's hard not to hate the Irish" (i.e. blaming an entire people for the actions of a few) it would be deemed racist.

stovelid · 29-09-2009 09:06PM

Dudess wrote: »

If an English person said "If you realise what the IRA did to English people, it's hard not to hate the Irish" (i.e. blaming an entire people for the actions of a few) it would be deemed racist.

While you clearly mean well, it's a little pointless to expect somebody named after a games console (and who advances the opinion that the Premiership "isn't English") to exhibit signs of sentience, let alone grasp irony.

ejmaztec · 29-09-2009 09:09PM

Greyfox wrote: »

So you're English then and always will be, you should be saying "we" and not "the English"!

I didn't realise that people here had the monopoly when it comes to moaning about the English.

Ridley · 29-09-2009 09:14PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I will say this, if you read Irish history and realise what our/my ancestors had to put up with, its hard not to hate the English.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/5369864/Dan-Snow-How-Britain-nearly-became-the-Irish-Isles.html ?

29-09-2009 09:14PM

"Hate the English"
I did, it wasn't my favorite subject at school!

Greyfox · 29-09-2009 09:20PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I will say this, if you read Irish history and realise what our/my ancestors had to put up with, its hard not to hate the English.

It's true they did many, many horrible things but the people who live in England now are not the same people that lived in England 80 years ago!

Rondolfus · 29-09-2009 09:25PM

Its not only the Irish that hate the English. Most of the world hate them too. Spend anytime in mainland Europe and you'll encounter similar attitudes to the Irish.

We don't just hate them because of the fact they treated us like dirt for the best part of a millenium. We hate them for what they are today too.

Now don't get me wrong, when I say "hate" I don't mean every single English person. I merely mean the English nation and what it represents.

As an Irishman I hate them for obvious historical reasons. I also dislike their modern beahviour, particularly when they are abroad. They make no effort to respect other culltures and seem to just revel in drinking, abusing people, singing about the now defunct "empire", and fighting. Every country has a minority of idiots like this, but in England the minority is especially high!

I also hate how their media operate. They still be-little the Irish and portray them as drunken "OIRISH" fools and have the arrogance to refer to Ireland as a "home nation". I remember in the 2002 World Cup a sky news reporter in Dublin asked a young Irish fan who he'd be up for if Ireland played England!

Anytime their football team play Germany, their tabloids can't help but make comparisons between the German team and nazi Germany. Then their fans sing "10 German bombers" and the "Paki Kraut" song. Considering everybody says its a "minority" that engage in such behaviour, it seems strange how it always sounds like the entire stadium.

Some "West Brit" Irish people would love the Irish to admire the British as much as they do. "Stop living in the past" they say. Yet they have no problem with the English glorifying and singing about the British Empire every chance they get.

To reiterate, there are many English people who I like and admire, but I dislike the English nation for what it has done and also for what it continues to do.

Rondolfus · 29-09-2009 09:28PM

Oh yeah, and I REALLY hate how they use the "geographical term" British Isles!!!!

But I hate Irish people who use this term even more!

Fratton Fred · 29-09-2009 09:29PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Its not only the Irish that hate the English. Most of the world hate them too. Spend anytime in mainland Europe and you'll encounter similar attitudes to the Irish.

We don't just hate them because of the fact they treated us like dirt for the best part of a millenium. We hate them for what they are today too.

Now don't get me wrong, when I say "hate" I don't mean every single English person. I merely mean the English nation and what it represents.

As an Irishman I hate them for obvious historical reasons. I also dislike their modern beahviour, particularly when they are abroad. They make no effort to respect other culltures and seem to just revel in drinking, abusing people, singing about the now defunct "empire", and fighting. Every country has a minority of idiots like this, but in England the minority is especially high!

I also hate how their media operate. They still be-little the Irish and portray them as drunken "OIRISH" fools and have the arrogance to refer to Ireland as a "home nation". I remember in the 2002 World Cup a sky news reporter in Dublin asked a young Irish fan who he'd be up for if Ireland played England!

Anytime their football team play Germany, their tabloids can't help but make comparisons between the German team and nazi Germany. Then their fans sing "10 German bombers" and the "Paki Kraut" song. Considering everybody says its a "minority" that engage in such behaviour, it seems strange how it always sounds like the entire stadium.

Some "West Brit" Irish people would love the Irish to admire the British as much as they do. "Stop living in the past" they say. Yet they have no problem with the English glorifying and singing about the British Empire every chance they get.

To reiterate, there are many English people who I like and admire, but I dislike the English nation for what it has done and also for what it continues to do.

How often do you get mistaken for being English when abroad?

stovelid · 29-09-2009 09:33PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Its not only the Irish that hate the English. Most of the world hate them too. Spend anytime in mainland Europe and you'll encounter similar attitudes to the Irish.
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Unless told otherwise, the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English versions (of a certain type of person only, I might add) are often indistinguishable to people on the continent: red faces, guts, GAA/sports shirts, drunkenness and an alarming homing impulse to seek out their own compatriots.

I would guess that most continental Europeans usually assume that Irish, Scots and Welsh are English before being told otherwise and that a lot of antics performed by the former are blamed on the latter. Certainly the case in my experience.

Dudess · 29-09-2009 09:47PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Its not only the Irish that hate the English. Most of the world hate them too.

I doubt "most of the world" hate them - "most of the world" don't really give a **** I'd wager.

We don't just hate them because of the fact they treated us like dirt for the best part of a millenium. We hate them for what they are today too.

Who's "we"?

I also hate how their media operate. They still be-little the Irish and portray them as drunken "OIRISH" fools

Is that really true? Because I can't say I've noticed it. I have found the non tabloid British media to be really PC when it comes to Ireland. The red-tops and Daily Mail/Express possibly not, but they're into racially stereotyping lots of nationalities, and are nowhere near as bad as they used to be.

Some "West Brit" Irish people would love the Irish to admire the British as much as they do. "Stop living in the past" they say.

"Stop living in the past" is what 'ra-heads say too.

To reiterate, there are many English people who I like and admire, but I dislike the English nation for what it has done and also for what it continues to do.

Still think your post comes across as really, really narrow-minded. :pac:

lisaface · 29-09-2009 10:00PM

newmills wrote: »

Do the irish people really still hate the english or is it only on sporting occasions that the wrongs of the past come to the surface.
I only ask cause one of the lads in work (he's a dub) was always giving out about the "fcukin english" - bit strange i thought as he sat there talking about how much he detested the english when he was wearing a manchester united jersey?
He's not the only lad i've met who seems to heve a hatred of england and all things english - have we moved on or is it still acceptable to harbour a long standing grudge against our near neighbours?

When it comes to such things as War and Sports, then yes my grudge appears to be well and glowing! Apart from this, nooo I don't give a crap anymore I've come to the understanding that those around now (my age ect) were not around when it all happened , neither was I..so why be hateful?!?

I usually judge a person on their individuality not their nationality ect.. Like if I don't like someone it's not because their English or their Muslim , okay that's a lie I do not like muslim men lol off track..

I find when I'm drunk and a twat from england insults me or tries to start an argument with me about said times, my harbouring anger comes to surface very quickly. Hmmm maybe I am hateful against them but just try not to?

I support Liverpool that's in England, I like partying in England... lol Eh?

ejmaztec · 29-09-2009 10:07PM

If people think that they can categorise an entire nation after watching tits, bums and booze programmes on the Sky channels, or after reading salacious yarns in the tabloids, they should tighten up their loose screws and get out more.

Rondolfus · 30-09-2009 12:07AM

Dudess wrote: »

I doubt "most of the world" hate them - "most of the world" don't really give a **** I'd wager.

Who's "we"?

Is that really true? Because I can't say I've noticed it. I have found the non tabloid British media to be really PC when it comes to Ireland. The red-tops and Daily Mail/Express possibly not, but they're into racially stereotyping lots of nationalities, and are nowhere near as bad as they used to be.

"Stop living in the past" is what 'ra-heads say too.

Still think your post comes across as really, really narrow-minded. :pac:

Firstly just because YOU doubt it, doesn't mean its not true. The English have the 2nd highest defence budget in the world. Second only to the USA. hmmmmm wonder why they need that. lol

"We" as in Irish people. Considering we are posting on an Irish forum site about an Irish topic, the use of the word "we" shouldn't need an explanation. But I think "we" all know your question was just a failed attempt to be smart.

"Ra-heads"??? Who mentioned "ra" heads. This is typical of the small minority of Irish with a nationalistic inferiority complex. They label anybody who shows any pride in Ireland as a "ra head". Pathetic. Besides, "ra heads" say "tiocfaidh ár lá" not "Stop living in the past".

You call me narrow-minded? I can assure you I'm not. Are you? You only addressed two points in my post. One you replied by saying "I doubt that" the other you agreed with my point on British tabloids but immediately jumped to their defence."they're into racially stereotyping lots of nationalities, and are nowhere near as bad as they used to be". Oh thats ok then isn't it lol

FYI I think your post comes across as really, really unoriginal.

Rondolfus · 30-09-2009 12:15AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How often do you get mistaken for being English when abroad?

Thats a linguistic issue. Sometimes Irish get mistaken for American or Australian. How often to you mistake Belgians for French? Or Argentinians for Spanish??? Or Austrians for Germans?? I'm struggling to see your point.

Besides, once you say your Irish the reaction of the people in Europe dramatically changes for the better. Every Irish person knows this, and if they are honest they will admit it here!

Abi · 30-09-2009 12:20AM

Ridiculous thread = ridiculous.

Resi12 · 30-09-2009 12:22AM

I don't see how Irish people today can hate the English. Our cultures are practically identical.

And to Rondolfus, you couldn't sound more narrow minded if you tried.

Hate the English??

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