Hate the English??

newmills

Do the irish people really still hate the english or is it only on sporting occasions that the wrongs of the past come to the surface.
I only ask cause one of the lads in work (he's a dub) was always giving out about the "fcukin english" - bit strange i thought as he sat there talking about how much he detested the english when he was wearing a manchester united jersey?
He's not the only lad i've met who seems to heve a hatred of england and all things english - have we moved on or is it still acceptable to harbour a long standing grudge against our near neighbours?

trad

600 years is hard to forget

triple-M

some Irish people are just idiots,the English are cool,well for the most part... Unfortunately lots of my irish mates have the same stupid attitude towards the english no doubt they personally dont mind the english but have been brainwashed by their fathers

triple-M

trad wrote: »

600 years is hard to forget

:rolleyes: nobody been around for long enough to remember 600 years, was many generations ago,anyways im going to avoid this thread like the plague me smells another english bashing/ranting thread coming along here

mike65

600? Typical Paddy - can't even count. :pac:

Its 800 (over a 1000 when adjusted for inflation caused by bitter indignation)

Kev_ps3

I dont hate the English, but I do hate how they treated us/ looked down at us.

newmills

triple-M wrote: »

:rolleyes: nobody been around for long enough to remember 600 years, was many generations ago,anyways im going to avoid this thread like the plague me smells another english bashing/ranting thread coming along here

Would be cool if everyone didn't abuse/rant about the english - just give honest opinions about how they feel towards the english - ah fcuk it..it's AH so abuse away!!

Seillejet

I hated maths more!

I dont think any of us give too much of a f%^K nowadays. When I was younger and less mature and studied Irish History and troubles kicking off then I was a bit of a thick and gave out.

However Im usually quite embarrassed by this inside when I meet English people as there so damn friendly when over here or Im over there.

San Marino people though. Delighted we inflicted Brian Kerr on them.

Kev_ps3

mike65 wrote: »

600? Typical Paddy - can't even count. :pac:

Its 800 (over a 1000 when adjusted for inflation caused by bitter indignation)

I find that offensive tbh

Rabies

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I dont hate the English, but I do hate how they treated us/ looked down at us.

Take a look at your country now.

No better at times.

Fuzzy Clam

trad wrote: »

600 years is hard to forget

Only 600???
With morons around reminding us, its hard to forget.

chughes

While we are all fully aware of what England did to this country over the 800 years or so, the fact is that Ireland and England have very close ties to each other on all sorts of levels. It was interesting to see that someone like Ryan Tubridy, who would come from a republican background, could trace his family history back to King Edward III. I would imagine that many people in this country could also find a strong English connection in their family history. Even Gerry Adams, with a surname like that, must have some English connection in his family history. I know many English people and they all like Ireland and the Irish. Their problem is that they know very little about the history of our two islands because while England is a huge part of our political and social history, Ireland is only a small part of theirs. It would be my opinion that the anti-English, Brits out, mentality is a declining viewpoint in this country.

MagicMarker

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I find that offensive tbh

boo hoo

nlgbbbblth

newmills wrote: »

I only ask cause one of the lads in work (he's a dub) was always giving out about the "fcukin english" - bit strange i thought as he sat there talking about how much he detested the english when he was wearing a manchester united jersey?

There's lots of confused hypocrites like him in this country.
Next you'll be telling me that he reads an English tabloid newspaper.

Kev_ps3

chughes wrote: »

While we are all fully aware of what England did to this country over the 800 years or so, the fact is that Ireland and England have very close ties to each other on all sorts of levels. It was interesting to see that someone like Ryan Tubridy, who would come from a republican background, could trace his family history back to King Edward III. I would imagine that many people in this country could also find a strong English connection in their family history. Even Gerry Adams, with a surname like that, must have some English connection in his family history. I know many English people and they all like Ireland and the Irish. Their problem is that they know very little about the history of our two islands because while England is a huge part of our political and social history, Ireland is only a small part of theirs. It would be my opinion that the anti-English, Brits out, mentality is a declining viewpoint in this country.

I disagree. Most people in our media/ celebs/ politicians/ famous people etc are from an English background so it gives that impression. The vast majority of normal Irish people have no connection.

laugh

Ah hating the English, from the comfort of your Currys Sofa, watching Coronation Street (You know what a coronation is yea?) on your Dixons TV broadcast to your home by British Sky Broadcasting, in your Manchester United jersey.

Which is worse a plastic paddy or a rubber republican?

super_furry

Why would I? They've never done anything to me.

cruiser178

Rabies wrote: »

Take a look at your country now.

No better at times.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF?????

Kev_ps3

super_furry wrote: »

Why would I? They've never done anything to me.

Exactly, like why would the Jews who are around today hate the Nazis:rolleyes:

mike65

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I find that offensive tbh

I find your complete lack of self awarness offensive. (don't you know how silly you look when you post that kind of reaction to a deliberate nose-tweak?)

MagicMarker

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Exactly, like why would the Jews who are around today hate the Nazis:rolleyes:

Dear of dear...

Davei141

Why does a thread always have to be started with a "Do Irish people [insert crap here]" on the basis of what some moron thinks or says. Newsflash, scum in lowest common denominator opinion.

Happy Monday

2009 people - time to move on.

super_furry

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Exactly, like why would the Jews who are around today hate the Nazis:rolleyes:

Godwinned in 19 posts, impressive. My work here is done.

tallaght01

I used to live in England, and the vast majority of them actively really liked Irish people. They seemed genuinely confused, and a bit hurt, when they'd hear Irish people rooting on whoever was playing England in the soccer etc, when most English ppl supprt Ireland when we're playing. It was always a bit embarrassing.

But once I went to this formal ball for a professional association. It was a yearly thing. A good few Irish were working in the UK and were members of this British association. Every year they started off with a toast to the Queen. A simple toast. Not a pledge of allegiance. Just a toast. I happened to be sitting at the table with most of the Irish, as I was friends with them. They decided when the toast came, they wouldn't stand up. So, the whole room stands up to raise their glasses, and the table of paddies stayed sitting in protest. They were all boggers, pretty much. And pretty young. I stood up, and they looked at me like some west brit sellout. But we were all living in England, and were members of their profesiional body. I spent a good while apologising to people that night for their behaviour, and they told me not to worry, as the Irish do it every year. That was the only time I was ashamed of being Irish.

Seillejet

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I disagree. Most people in our media/ celebs/ politicians/ famous people etc are from an English background so it gives that impression. The vast majority of normal Irish people have no connection.

Cant agree with that assertion at all. Who are "normal" Irish people ffs.

brummytom

Yeah I hate the English
Fuckin English. Bunch of Tan twáts. :mad:

They're everywhere in this country!

Oh...

Kev_ps3

Happy Monday wrote: »

2009 people - time to move on.

Yes, but not to forget..

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Cant agree with that assertion at all. Who are "normal" Irish people ffs.

decent god-fearing catholics, that's who.

Snakeblood

tallaght01 wrote: »

I used t live in England, and the vast majority of them actively really liked Irish people. They seemed genuinely confused, and a bit hurt, when they'd hear Irish people rooting on whoever was playing England in the soccer etc, when most English ppl supprt Ireland when we're playing. It was always a bit embarrassing.

But once I went to this ball for a professional association. It was a yearly thing. A good few Irish were working in the UK and were members of this British association. Every year they started off with a toast to the Queen. A simple toast. Not a pledge of allegiance. Just a toast. I happened to be sitting at the table with most of the Irish, as I was friends with them. They decided when the toast came, they wouldn't stand up. So, the whole room stands up to raise their glasses, and the table of paddies stayed sitting in protest. They were all boggers, pretty much. I stood up, and they looked at me like some west brit sellout. But we were all living in England, and were members of their profesiional body. I spent a good while apologising to people that night for their ehaviour, and they told me not to worry, as the Irish do it every year.T hat was the only time I was ashamed of being Irish.

To be honest, I wouldn't have stood up, but not because of a grudge against the English. IT'd have been more 'I don't want to support the monarchy\something I don't believe in'. Like if you're at a mass of remembrance and you don't go to get the wafer because it seems hypocritical to do it if you don't believe in God.

When I was growing up while in school doing history I felt an anger against how they treated Ireland throughout history but that has since dispersed. I go to England on a regular enough basis and I find the majority of people really decent.

There was one time however in Newcastle when I was talking to some total arsehole. He hated the Irish due to how we '' Turned our lights off during WW2 so the Germans would bomb English towns''.... The guy was like 40-50 and was looking for a reaction out of me and a friend so he could start something but we didn't give him one. That was the one negative experience I've had around someone English. Generally an altar boy compared to the amount of arseholes we get over here though.

tallaght01

Snakeblood wrote: »

To be honest, I wouldn't have stood up, but not because of a grudge against the English. IT'd have been more 'I don't want to support the monarchy\something I don't believe in'. Like if you're at a mass of remembrance and you don't go to get the wafer because it seems hypocritical to do it if you don't believe in God.

You're not supporting anyone by standing up. And it's their business whether they want a monarchy. It's just utterly disprespectful to people who's country you're living in.

If the Nigerians living and working in Ireland wouldn't stand up for a toast to our taoiseach because we're part of the EU, who stifle the trade rights of poor farmers in Africa, people would still see that as being disrespectful, even though they would arguably have a contemporary case.

There's just no need for it. It achieves nothing whatsoever, and makes people think we're knobs.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Happy Monday wrote: »

2009 people - time to move on.

It is time to move on, I agree.

That doesn't mean we must forget the past either.

I don't hate the British, in fact as a whole I think they're lovely people - but I detest their history in this country.

What I hate worse are the people of this country who scoff at those of us who remember, and harbour feelings of resent.

Our feelings are no less valid than their's.

If THE CHUCKLE BROTHERS can look forward towards a peaceful, democratic peace in Ireland then so the hell can the rest of us.

We should be allowed do that whilst at the same time looking back at the past with some resentment without ridicule too.

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chughes

If we look at the history of Dublin, for example, Dublin was originally a Viking settlement which was taken over by English settlers and colonised. Many English people would have put down roots then and I'm sure a lot of this DNA survives to this day. A recent programme on TV showed that many people in the west of Ireland have simliar DNA to people in Gallicia, North West Spain. Given the physical closeness between England and Ireland, there is a greater chance of someone having English DNA than any other nationality. It may suit some people to deny this but I still stand by my view that many of us have ancestoral ties to England, as many of them have to us.

MagicMarker

When I lived in Canada, I was at a hockey game and I stood for their national anthem out of respect for my friends who I was with.

Although, one night in a bar here, they played the national anthem at the end of the night, I didn't stand up for that, simply because it's fúcking stupid to have the national anthem played at the end of the night.

Snakeblood

tallaght01 wrote: »

You're not supporting anyone but not standing up. And it's their business whether they want a monarchy. It's just utterly disprespectful to people who's country you're living in.

If the Nigerians living and working in Ireland wouldn't stand up for a toast to our taoiseach because we're part of the EU, who stifle the trade rights of poor farmers in Africa, people would still see that as being disrespectful, even though they would arguably have a contemporary case.

There's just no need for it. It achieves nothing whatsoever, and makes people think we're knobs.

Actually, it achieves me not feeling like I'm paying homage to something that I think is actively bad, and stops me feeling like a hypocrite. It doesn't have to be a big scene though.

And I wouldn't have a problem with the Nigerians doing that either. Although the English example is explicitly about saluting the concept of the monarchy, and your Nigerian example is really sort of obscure

ncan

I don't get the whole thing. Some people love to hate others. What do they have in common (on the whole): limited education, a bizarre romantic notion of what it means to be Irish, a bitter personality etc etc..
Most English would have no grudge against Germans despite the evils of the 3rd Reich - the reason being? A different time, a different people and just one 2 evil rulers. Cromwell and one or 2 others in English history certainly are guilty of barbaric acts, but how do they relate to present-day English people?
The vast majority of English people have no idea about Irish history...and why should they feel in any way guilty about the actions of people who happened to live and rule on the same area of land? Successive English governments have inherited a tricky situation over here to which there is no easy solution.

laugh

Maggie Unsightly Weaponry wrote: »

It is time to move on, I agree.

That doesn't mean we must forget the past either.

I don't hate the British, in fact as a whole I think they're lovely people - but I detest their history in this country.

What I hate worse are the people of this country who scoff at those of us who remember, and harbour feelings of resent.

Our feelings are no less valid than their's.

If THE CHUCKLE BROTHERS can look forward towards a peaceful, democratic peace in Ireland then so the hell can the rest of us.

We should be allowed do that whilst at the same time looking back at the past with some resentment without ridicule too.

.

All depends on what way you express that resentment?

Tell your children that the English, the protestants are bastards? So they end up on O' Connell street throwing bricks at their own police force or assaulting a respected reporter so that he decides to **** off to America where he wont be called an orange bastard?

Or do you choose to express this resentment by helping to make this new state we created all that it can be?

I hate to generalise but the rubber republicans that I know are wasters who support English soccer teams (while scofing at rugby teams made up of mostly Irish men) and do nothing good for their community or country.

tallaght01

Snakeblood wrote: »

Actually, it achieves me not feeling like I'm paying homage to something that I think is actively bad, and stops me feeling like a hypocrite. It doesn't have to be a big scene though.

And I wouldn't have a problem with the Nigerians doing that either. Although the English example is explicitly about saluting the concept of the monarchy, and your Nigerian example is really sort of obscure

No you're not paying homage to anyone. You wouldn't raise a glass to someone at a work night out because you didn't like them? It was a big scene. A really big scene.

Disrespect for people in their own country achieves nothing. Look, teenage angst and protest is all very well. I'm as big an awkward leftie as anyone, But as you get older you realise you get much better results, and you get your opinion across far better, when you engage people in reasonable conversation.

Nothing gained by alienating people. People listen more when they respect you. No one of any significance respects the guy who sulks in the corner.

Rabies

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I dont hate the English, but I do hate how they treated us/ looked down at us.

cruiser178 wrote: »

EXPLAIN YOURSELF?????

Look at Ireland now.
The above quote is similar to how the eastern Europeans or any other immigrants feel right now in Ireland.

Blamed for the lack of jobs and when they are employeed, people fvcking moan and bitch because their taxi driver is black.

cruiser178

Rabies wrote: »

Look at Ireland now.
The above quote is similar to how the eastern Europeans or any other immigrants feel right now in Ireland.

Blamed for the lack of jobs and when they are employeed, people fvcking moan and bitch because their taxi driver is black.

What has that got to do with the op

Risteard

Some of my friends are like that. I'm usually quick to point out that they hate the English yet love Gerrard, Rooney or whoever's playing for their favourite club which is English, yet somehow it's different.

Kiera

Nope i dont hate the English. I might hate one or two English people but to hate a whole nation is ridiculous!

Kev_ps3

Risteard wrote: »

Some of my friends are like that. I'm usually quick to point out that they hate the English yet love Gerrard, Rooney or whoever's playing for their favourite club which is English, yet somehow it's different.

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh. The only thing english about it is its based there. Its owned, supported and played mainy by foreigners.
Plus most Irish people follow it for entertainment reasons only, no 'loyalty' if your understand me.

MagicMarker

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh. The only thing english about it is its based there. Its owned, supported and played mainy by foreigners.
Plus most Irish people follow it for entertainment reasons only, no 'loyalty' if your understand me.

It would appear I posted the facepalm pic too soon.

Snakeblood

tallaght01 wrote: »

No you're not paying homage to anyone. You wouldn't raise a glass to someone at a work night out because you didn't like them? It was a big scene. A really big scene.

Disrespect for people in their own country achieves nothing. Look, teenage angst and protest is all very well. I'm as big an awkward leftie as anyone, But as you get older you realise you get much better results, and you get your opinion across far better, when you engage people in reasonable conversation.

Nothing gained by alienating people. People listen more when they respect you. No one of any significance respects the guy who sulks in the corner.

Raising a glass to the queen is explicitly endorsing the monarchy. I don't mind if other people do it, but I won't, and not because they're English, but because it's an outdated concept that should be eliminated. Your friends made a big scene, but it's not teenaged angst to not support something you find insupportable. Them acting like arsesholes is them acting like arseholes, and has nothing to do with other people's reasons for doing things.

There are a lot of people in England who don't support the monarchy, and it's not teenage angst on their part either.

pablomakaveli

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh.

Given it's made up of clubs from English cities and run by an English football organization i'd say it's a fairly English thing to be honest.

Snakeblood

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh. The only thing english about it is its based there. Its owned, supported and played mainy by foreigners.
Plus most Irish people follow it for entertainment reasons only, no 'loyalty' if your understand me.

I imagine they just wear the Man Utops to keep warm

My name is URL

Thankfully the only English people who I have any reason to hate are all dead by now

saves me the hassle of giving a shit

super_furry

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh.

There's a mad kind of genius at work here.

Snowie

trad wrote: »

600 years is hard to forget

Your 600 years old :eek:

whats your secret.....?