Hate the English??

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

Canadians don't hate anyone - they're far too nice for that.

They just hate being told they are just like Americans (the USA type)

The_Kew_Tour

I find the people especially who live in North England to be very friendly. We were in Newcastle one time and me and my mates were little lost with map out trying find our hostel at least 6-7 people came up to help us young and old

I also find they haver manners. When at bar for instance if you be waiting to be served for while and they come along staright at once and get served they always tell barman that your before they are. You never get that in Ireland.

There police are much easier to talk to and more reasonable then our shower here too

Yes they have some bad points but which country dosent? Overall I think there one the better more friendly people and I have ben to about 45 countires at this stage.

BQQ

The English should have no problems understanding the hatred of a bigger neighbouring country based on centuries old wars/conflicts.

They hate the bloody frogs, don't they?:D

ei.sdraob

I hate the ****ers from UKIP who are sending racist leaflets to Irish homes

otherwise ive no problems with the British (except the drunken football hooligans)

blinding

The English (british) are okay but if you invite (or for some reason they force their way in) them into your house they can be a little slow to leave. Some of them may take over slightly more than half some section of your house and call it British Ulster. They may even march around the house on the 12th of july in Bowler hats and Orange sashes. I suppose the women must make tea on the 12th of july.

The ones that stay in your house may never integrate and say NO to just about everything (a bit like a teenager in that respect)

Anyway be nice to them because that confuses them and yourself, so at least we will all have that in common.

Terrontress

me_right_one wrote: »

The allies, mainly America, defeated Germany. Not england. Just stating a fact, not hating england:D

Well, "England" was not in WW2, just like it is not in the EU as was mentioned earlier. It's the UK, which currently has a non-English Prime Minister and governing politicians from NI, Scotland and Wales.

What the UK did was, following the fall of France and imposition of the Vichy government, stood up to the Third Reich alone. Granted, the war would not have been bought to the same conclusion without the USA but to state that mainly America defeated the Nazis is nonsense. If Hitler had not dragged the Soviet Union into the war the British and Americans would have had no chance.

blinding

Terrontress wrote: »

Well, "England" was not in WW2, just like it is not in the EU as was mentioned earlier. It's the UK, which currently has a non-English Prime Minister and governing politicians from NI, Scotland and Wales.

What the UK did was, following the fall of France and imposition of the Vichy government, stood up to the Third Reich alone. Granted, the war would not have been bought to the same conclusion without the USA but to state that mainly America defeated the Nazis is nonsense. If Hitler had not dragged the Soviet Union into the war the British and Americans would have had no chance.

American money and Russian blood defeated the Germans

The British do deserve great credit for not coming to terms with the Germans and keeping the option of the western front open (also keeping German forces busy in North Africa.

Like myself and a lot of people the English (British) are alright at the right dosage.

Terrontress

blinding wrote: »

American money and Russian blood defeated the Germans

The British do deserve great credit for not coming to terms with the Germans and keeping the option of the western front open (also keeping German forces busy in North Africa.

Like myself and a lot of people the English (British) are alright at the right dosage.

And let's not forget many Irish men signed up with the British on moral grounds to fight against the Germans and many lost their lives in doing so.

Rynaldo

Nope, people with hatred for other countries are pathetic, regardless of the past.

nlgbbbblth

Camelot wrote: »

I am talking about the emergence of a National pride that came with the emergence of the Irish football team in the 1990 World Cup + the embracing of the Tricolour (for the first time) by many people in the Republic!

You must remember that before this, there was no National team to speak of & you either supported England or Northern Ireland :eek:

Thats why I think most Irish people supported England (pre 1990).

Just a theory ..............

a theory that's a load of b*llocks.

We had a national soccer team in 1966. They came close to qualifying for that WC but got shafted by the FAI. We had an average team in the 1970s and an unlucky team for the 1982 campaign.

I remember the pre-1990 days and very few Irish people supported the England team.

Rebelheart

Rynaldo wrote: »

Nope, people with hatred for other countries are pathetic, regardless of the past.

People with hatred are usually self-defeating. Nevertheless, opposing a régime is often entirely legitimate and moral. The very foundation stone of the British (i.e. English and conquered Welsh and Scots) régime in Ireland rests upon a profound hatred of the Irish, a nomenclature which later was changed to 'Catholic'.

No amount of revisionism can revise the course and policies of British rule, and yes the British people who ruled over us, over a period of centuries. It was not, and indeed is not for a part of the Irish people, a mere flash in the pan, or even a selfless civilising campaign, as fashionable as both views may be for the "poppy day" school of benign British imperialism.

The British may be the nicest people in the world when they are over in Britain. That is neither here nor there. On the other hand, I have no evidence to support a similar contention about those people when they organise in Ireland (or anywhere else outside of Britain). If somebody has evidence of the nice peace-loving and selfless British saving the Irish from themselves, then please tell us what this evidence is.

It is entirely legitimate for any Irish person to be wary (to put it mildly) of organised groups of British people and their intentions in Ireland. There is a current phase of "the past is the past" (while part of Ireland remains under British rule but shhh), and then there is the unmistakable historical record over centuries of the British and all their cultural supremacism in Ireland. Hope meets reality.

What would the rational person trust in?

EU RULES

I will always be skeptical of the British.

scribs

I like "British Humour"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-t7JFb8DhA

Makes me laugh on occasions

philologos

Humanity transcends national boundaries. I feel no need to hate anyone merely because they are English, because well, if God had planned differently I could have been born there myself. What's there to hate?

MikeC101

EU RULES wrote: »

I will always be skeptical of the British.

You doubt they exist?

Rebelheart

Jakkass wrote: »

Humanity transcends national boundaries. I feel no need to hate anyone merely because they are English, because well, if God had planned differently I could have been born there myself. What's there to hate?

Yes, it does transcend national boundaries, but invariably after one side has got his boot firmly on the other. Then the person on top suddenly instigates a discourse which advocates things like "peace" and "respecting the law". But shhh, let's forget the sequence of events and swallow the propaganda.

It's always easier for the person with his boot on you to talk about "forgetting the past". It is, however, harder for a person who has been raped to forget that rape while the rapist still occupies part of her home and feigns moral superiority over her (particularly, in the Irish context, on the immorality of using violence to achieve a political aim).

EU RULES

MikeC101 wrote: »

You doubt they exist?

Of course they exist, however our geographical location ensures we must always be on constant lookout of their position. The UK is a failed state. It is overpopulated and simply does not have the power anymore. I predict tough times ahead for its people.

They will leave the EU soon and from then the nation will die unless they become part of the USA which is likely imo.

nlgbbbblth

Rebelheart wrote: »

Yes, it does transcend national boundaries...

Hey! 800 posts !

Rebelheart

Camelot wrote: »

Or maybe the emergence of an irish national identity along with an Irish football team, circa 1990?

Yes, where oh where would Irish identity be without a couple of soccer matches circa 1990. Well done.

And, if I recall correctly - and I do - the "Irish" soccer team at that time were in reality overwhelmingly composed of English mercenaries who were rejected by the England team and used some random link to Ireland to get on an international team. But shhhh, let's forget that and rewrite history.

Greyfox

newmills wrote: »

Do the irish people really still hate the english

No, the vast majority of Irish people have the intelligence to understand that history belongs in a history book and that we as a nation love English football, English TV, English papers etc. We also have more in common with English people then any other nation and find the vast majority of them to be really sound! Theirs a small percentage of uneducated and simple minded idiots though and unfortunitely they like to embarrase the rest of us with their anti-English nonsense. Someone needs to explain to them that Cromwell is dead, along with all the other English people that did bad things to the Irish and that you can't blame English people for what their ancestors done.

MikeC101

EU RULES wrote: »

Of course they exist, however our geographical location ensures we must always be on constant lookout of their position.

In case they roll over on top of us in their sleep and crush us all!!! :eek: I agree.

EU RULES wrote: »

The UK is a failed state. It is overpopulated and simply does not have the power anymore. I predict tough times ahead for its people. They will leave the EU soon and from then the nation will die unless they become part of the USA which is likely imo.

It might fall on us when it dies too

I agree, it's extremely likely that England, having left the EU, will become part of the USA. Then King George Bush the Fourth will rule the glorious land of Avon, and the pixies will live in happiness with the flower people.

Quint

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Exactly, like why would the Jews who are around today hate the Nazis:rolleyes:

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh. The only thing english about it is its based there. Its owned, supported and played mainy by foreigners.
Plus most Irish people follow it for entertainment reasons only, no 'loyalty' if your understand me.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

lol good fun winding up west-brits on a sunday morning... later......

You probably wind up your mates by going around wearing nothing but womens underwear and drinking pints of their pee.
There's a difference between winding people up and making yourself look like a fool.

Kold

Rebelheart wrote: »

Yes, it does transcend national boundaries, but invariably after one side has got his boot firmly on the other. Then the person on top suddenly instigates a discourse which advocates things like "peace" and "respecting the law". But shhh, let's forget the sequence of events and swallow the propaganda.

It's always easier for the person with his boot on you to talk about "forgetting the past". It is, however, harder for a person who has been raped to forget that rape while the rapist still occupies part of her home and feigns moral superiority over her (particularly, in the Irish context, on the immorality of using violence to achieve a political aim).

Hey... I didn't rape anybody. Well, not you anyway.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Quint wrote: »

There's a difference between winding people up and making yourself look like a fool.

Watch it.

javaboy

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

lol good fun winding up west-brits on a sunday morning... later......

No more trolling. Thanks.

Captain Havoc

1. I lived in England for three years, there are equally as many wänkers over there as there are here.

2. I don't know what all this fightin' talk is about, was anyone here shot by a black and tan? It's in the past. I do realise those that fought for Ireland do need to be respected but hating someone because of what his grandfather did is a load of böllöx.

3. We are the most unpatriotic shower in the world, yes we love our little island but we don't mind handing over a large amount of power to Brussels for a few schillings. (PS I'm pro Europe).

Johnny Utah

No, I don't hate the English, but I resent the foreign policy of their government, their occupation of this country, and the way they have abused Irish people in this country. I resent the fact that the British Army murdered innocent, unarmed civilians in Northern Ireland; I resent the fact that the British government wrongly imprisoned Irish people for long sentences; or let prisoners starve to death, etc. The British government could have avoided a lot of bloodshed if they handed back the North 50 years ago.

Camelot wrote: »

I am talking about the emergence of a National pride that came with the emergence of the Irish football team in the 1990 World Cup + the embracing of the Tricolour (for the first time) by many people in the Republic!

You must remember that before this, there was no National team to speak of & you either supported England or Northern Ireland :eek:

Thats why I think most Irish people supported England (pre 1990).

Just a theory ..............

:rolleyes:

Wind-up merchant.

Terrontress wrote: »

Well, "England" was not in WW2, just like it is not in the EU as was mentioned earlier. It's the UK, which currently has a non-English Prime Minister and governing politicians from NI, Scotland and Wales.

What the UK did was, following the fall of France and imposition of the Vichy government, stood up to the Third Reich alone. Granted, the war would not have been bought to the same conclusion without the USA but to state that mainly America defeated the Nazis is nonsense. If Hitler had not dragged the Soviet Union into the war the British and Americans would have had no chance.

LOL, where do I start with this one?

The UK didn't stand up to the Third Reich alone. They had a bit of help from the Soviets too, you know.

The UK was on the brink of defeat by the Germans in WWII. The RAF was absolutely decimated as the Luftwaffe had destroyed most of their airplanes. The Germans then switched their attention from bombing RAF airfields to bombing London. This was a big mistake by the Luftwaffe, as it gave the RAF time to repair the small number of planes it had left. Had the Germans concentrated their attacks on the remaining RAF planes, they would have had total air superiority over Britain and the War would most certainly have taken a different outcome. As it happened, the RAF ultimately defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain, but most of their major cities were flattened, and Hitler then concentrated on the Eastern front as he didn't really see Britain as a major threat.

However, the truth is that Hitler actually never wanted to invade Britain at all. The Nazis wanted to control Contitnental Europe and wanted to be an ally of Britain and the US. This is on record, but is probably not widely known. Hitler never wanted war with Britain. Even after the Nazis conquered France, Hitler wanted peace with Britain. The only reason Britain intervened was because they recognised that there was a new continental empire emerging and they wanted to stop it. In reality, it was a war between the old British empire (which was once impressive 200-300 years ago) and an emerging superpower.

If you look back through history, Britain has always resisted such attempts to build a European empire, even going all the way back to the time of Napolean. The US intervened because it wasn't in their interest either to have a single European superpower.

Even today, the US/Britain only take military action for their own vested interest (oil).

PrettyBoy wrote: »

I like English people for the most part but a lot of them have this prickish attitude where they think they're all God's gift. As far as they're concerned England/GB/UK is the greatest country that's ever existed.

DamoDLK wrote: »

Does the 'G8' mean anything to you chap?

The UK is not a global superpower anymore and hasn't been for some time. Post WWI, the British Empire fell into decline.

Johnny Utah

tallaght01 wrote: »

I used to live in England, and the vast majority of them actively really liked Irish people. They seemed genuinely confused, and a bit hurt, when they'd hear Irish people rooting on whoever was playing England in the soccer etc, when most English ppl supprt Ireland when we're playing. It was always a bit embarrassing.

But once I went to this formal ball for a professional association. It was a yearly thing. A good few Irish were working in the UK and were members of this British association. Every year they started off with a toast to the Queen. A simple toast. Not a pledge of allegiance. Just a toast. I happened to be sitting at the table with most of the Irish, as I was friends with them. They decided when the toast came, they wouldn't stand up. So, the whole room stands up to raise their glasses, and the table of paddies stayed sitting in protest. They were all boggers, pretty much. And pretty young. I stood up, and they looked at me like some west brit sellout. But we were all living in England, and were members of their profesiional body. I spent a good while apologising to people that night for their behaviour, and they told me not to worry, as the Irish do it every year. That was the only time I was ashamed of being Irish.

Your friends were right not to salute the Queen. Why would you salute a foreign monarch? A monarch that has oppressed this country for centuries?

Would you stick your head in the fire if everyone else did it too?




As for not supporting England in sport, I think a lot of that comes from disliking the arrogance surrounding the England team- well Giles/Dunphy on the RTE panel always seem to highlight the arrogance of the English team and take issue with it, so I think that's the real reason why a lot of Irish people don't support their football team. Even when they beat Croatia and qualified for the World Cup, they made a big deal of it and already started talking like they can win the whole tournament!

A Disgrace

Scanned over the post, but apologies if I rethread somewhat. This whole 800 years thing is nonsense. Yes, there was a British presence for most of it, but we also controlled the vast majority of the country ourselves. It was only in the 1800's to 1900's that things became an issue, and that was largely due to a poor econemy at the time. We had out own parliment previous (the first purpose built parliment in the world) and Dublin was the official second city of the empire. True, an anglo majority ruled with a protestant agenda, but that was the way it was. If we want to get bogged down in detail, it's not the British we hate, but the Anglo gang, but the strange thing was that they were as Irish as me and you.

Yes, initially the early christian Irish were streets ahead of everyone in terms of civilization, but we soon descended into a country of war, fighting amongst ourselves. We were soon a mess. The act of union came about when it appeared that Catholics were gaining a majority, but at that stage so many rebellions (failed) had happened that they had no choice. At this stage, Ireland, fell apart. So when people talk of 800 years, they should talk of 120 years. The twilight days of Ireland and the United Kingdom. At this stage the British were doing little wrong, they simply did not want to lose Ireland.

Investment in Ireland was way above anything else they did abroad in other colonial terrortries. We gained the most vast Georgian districts anywhere in the world, the symbolic buildings that we still use for public causes today and the transformation from a tribal state to a civilised land to be proud of.

Still, the alienated fought back, and won. But we can never remove the history, and practically every every street we walk down has its legacy indebted to Britain. Much as Dev, who wanted to demolish ever Georgian and Victorian house in Dublin and Limerick, would have liked.

Anyway, to conclude a spectacularly drunken post. I'd rather be back in the early 20th century, when we had a grand city, with fine civil buildings and a UK government who really actually did want us to stay with them (the offer of a Dublin underground to Michael Collins in exchange for the treaty for example) than the fake nationalism we have now.That we read British newspapers, follow British soccer teams and watch English TV more than we do our own is a minor point. The fact is tho, if we hadn't of broken free when we did, we'd probably be more Irish than we are now..

Reindeer

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Some Irish people hate the English
Some English people hate the Irish
Some German people hate the French
Some Mexican people hate the Americans

It goes on. It is not exclusive to this country.

Don't forget the Americans had plenty of "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" signs about after the famine, as well.
And though many Irish see the American traveler as overly friendly, and even gullible, many Americans look to us as trouble makers, and not to be trusted still to this day. They will smile and be polite, as they aren't nearly as tactless as we are. But once ya get to know them ya find out what they really think of us. I can't say I blame them.