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Thomas Cook Grafton Street store occupied by the workers

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Seemed a bit "orchestrated" to me, all the usual types around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭irishturkey


    i'd back them to the mother truckin hilt. too often, companies come up with half arsed excuses to bail. maybe im wrong but right now im stuck in a similar dispute. if you dont know the details its hard to comment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    the desperately low viewcounts of their youtube videos shows just how little people care


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Why don't the Gardaí enter and arrest them for trespassing?

    Thta's exactly what's going to happen in the next hour or so I'd say...be interesting to see if kid gloves are used and how pregnant women are to be removed from the premises.
    Not an enviable task...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    I dislike the Socialist workers party, they seem to get their claws into everything and anything that they might get some good publicity from.
    This sit in malarkey is pointless and is going to do nothing for the workers except maybe give Thomas Cook a black eye, and that just seems childish to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    PrivateEye wrote: »
    Video of todays solidarity picket.


    Is this for real? Having a gob****e as your spokesperson will do you no favours. And what's with that ****ing moron with the pigs mask. Idiots.


  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭35notout


    Leave them there and let them bloody rot!

    FFS Dell laid off 1900 workers yet they had the dignity to accept that economic factors made it unprofitable to operate in Limerick any more.

    There are about 400,000 people on the dole - many of these who've recently lost their jobs, yet dont trespass and break the law.

    Drop their redundancy to the statutory 2 weeks, charge them all with tresspass and fine them a massive amount for causing litter and traffic chaos.

    Just shows the brains it takes to work in a travel agent......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Yes, they should lie down and take it. I mean, why should they get a better payout when one of their chiefs can get 5 Million STG stuffed in his pocket......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    It's really not.
    It's just cringeworthy.

    Maybe cringeworthy if you have a job, if you have just been told you are going to lose yours you'd do the same.
    Fair play to them for protesting. They want to work. It would be worse if they just sat on their arses being keyboard warriors complaining.
    Why?

    Why not?


    Leave them in there, they'll get bored eventually imo. That or forcefully evict them, gobshites.

    They might get bored, but at least they're making a stand. They actually want to work.



    So they have the support of the usual crowd that bring the city to a standstill, I'm convinced.

    They have more than that, fair play to them.

    It's all too easy for these multinationals to come into the country and milk it for evey cent during the boom times they pack up and go when they feel like it.

    These protesters are doers IMO. Day after day you have people who post on this board complaining about everything yet all they do is write here.

    They're doing their best to change things in real life.We could all learn a lesson from them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    PrivateEye wrote: »
    From my own point of view, full solidarity to them. My mother was by earlier on and said people are showing them fantastic support.If you're in town, swing by!

    why? sounds like a disgrace to me tbh. what the hell are they expecting to happen?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭Board Senseless


    "Down with rich people. Up with the general sort of person!" Then off to Toners for some solidarity.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Sweet Jesus look at the asortment of left wing luantics they have attracted on the streets, i dont ming them protesting but now thay have draged in every left wing middle class mommys boy nutjob to protest with them, get a job ye lazy articles(hippies) and have a wash while ye are at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭bossdrum


    Why don't the greedy b***ards set up their own travel agents if they think it's so profitable.

    These workers/socialists are all talk but never do anything for themselves and expect the risk takers to earn the same wage as employees who are always on the look out for an opportunity to skive off work.

    A multinational would be crazy to set up here now.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    bossdrum wrote: »
    Why don't the greedy b***ards set up their own travel agents if they think it's so profitable.

    These workers/socialists are all talk but never do anything for themselves and expect the risk takers to earn the same wage as employees who are always on the look out for an opportunity to skive off work.

    A multinational would be crazy to set up here now.

    Here Here well said sir, these people seem to think that if you own a Buissness you must be raking it in when in fact most buissness are suffering at the moment, bunch of whinging women and left wing idiots who wouldnt know what a job was even if it hit them in the face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Here Here well said sir, these people seem to think that if you own a Buissness you must be raking it in

    The group made a profit last year. They paid the chief 5 million STG as a bonus.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    The group made a profit last year. They paid the chief 5 million STG as a bonus.

    yes, the group made a profit, their irish operations are most likely making significant losses


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Nodin wrote: »
    The group made a profit last year. They paid the chief 5 million STG as a bonus.

    and?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    The CEO got a huge bonus because he helped engineer a merger that formed one of the largest travel firms in europe. They then rationalised (they closed 150 stores in the UK) and created a solid profitable well run company. If you want a CEO of that calibre then that is the sort of dosh you have to pay.

    Besides, who goes to a travel agent these days, everyone books online don't they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    yes, the group made a profit, their irish operations are most likely making significant losses?

    They may be making a loss, but in the greater scheme of things its a drop in the ocean. In a multinational that large, theres always regional swings. In a year or two elsewhere could be down while here picks up. A few years back they lost their proverbial bollox in england while enjoying a record year here.
    and?

    That doesn't strike you as an obscene amount of money to hand out in the light of others being made redundant.?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Nodin wrote: »
    I mean, why should they get a better payout when one of their chiefs can get 5 Million STG stuffed in his pocket......

    For starters they are not entitled to a larger payout.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Nodin wrote: »
    They may be making a loss, but in the greater scheme of things its a drop in the ocean. In a multinational that large, theres always regional swings. In a year or two elsewhere could be down while here picks up. A few years back they lost their proverbial bollox in england while enjoying a record year here.

    That doesn't strike you as an obscene amount of money to hand out in the light of others being made redundant.?

    i don't see how what he was paid is relevant to this discussion?

    if they're making a loss and choose to shut down the shops that's their prerogative, i don't get why they think it's acceptable for them to occupy the building or what they hope to achieve or why anyone would support them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 713 ✭✭✭Crackity Jones


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Maybe cringeworthy if you have a job, if you have just been told you are going to lose yours you'd do the same.
    Fair play to them for protesting. They want to work. It would be worse if they just sat on their arses being keyboard warriors complaining.

    It's all too easy for these multinationals to come into the country and milk it for evey cent during the boom times they pack up and go when they feel like it.

    They're doing their best to change things in real life.We could all learn a lesson from them.

    They are protesting because they want more redundancy payment. It has nothing to do with wanting to work. If they were truly interested in wanting to work they would be doing something more productive such as sending out CVs. Its not doing their future job prospects any good occupying the building and defying a court order.

    Where do you think the multinationals came from in the first place?? Mars?? They will goto where it is most efficient for them to be. This is the global economy we are a part of and have benefited greatly from.

    They are not doing their best to change things. They are seeking more payment for themselves. Fin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Where do you think the multinationals came from in the first place?? Mars??

    Are you 5? Because the above section of your post sounds like it.
    They will goto where it is most efficient for them to be. This is the global economy we are a part of and have benefited greatly from.

    It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.
    They are not doing their best to change things. They are seeking more payment for themselves. Fin

    Some people are fighters, not walkovers. They are trying to get all they can, not just improved redundancy money. Fin.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    TheZohan wrote: »

    It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.

    It's still subject to cost and efficiency improvments, economies of scale and scope etc.
    Some people are fighters, not walkovers. They are trying to get all they can, not just improved redundancy money. Fin.

    Trying to get all they can, which in this case is more than they deserve. Being a fighter isn't admirable in of itself, and not if you don't deserve what you're fighting for


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    i'd back them to the mother truckin hilt. too often, companies come up with half arsed excuses to bail.

    Not being profitable is not a half arsed excuse.
    maybe im wrong but right now im stuck in a similar dispute. if you dont know the details its hard to comment

    Well there isn't much to dispute then.

    TheZohan wrote: »
    Maybe cringeworthy if you have a job, if you have just been told you are going to lose yours you'd do the same.

    No, I wouldn't, it's idiotic.
    TheZohan wrote: »
    It's all too easy for these multinationals to come into the country and milk it for evey cent during the boom times they pack up and go when they feel like it.

    They aren't milking anything, without multinationals there would be very few jobs, and if they were required to stay here when the well runs dry, they rightly would never have come here originally and there never would have been any jobs in the first place, but for some inane reason, that would sate you and these workers. Bizarre.

    TheZohan wrote: »
    They're doing their best to change things in real life.We could all learn a lesson from them.

    lol \o/
    TheZohan wrote: »
    It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.

    It's essentially a retail shop though, they need people to come in off the streets and buy, it's clearly not happening.
    I've walked past the shop in College Green for the past 10 years and wondered how much longer it would be there, it always looked empty to me.
    It's not a profitable shop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 713 ✭✭✭Crackity Jones


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Are you 5? Because the above section of your post sounds like it.



    It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.



    Some people are fighters, not walkovers. They are trying to get all they can, not just improved redundancy money. Fin.

    No I'm not 5 (yawn) just surprised that you believe Ireland should be the only country in the world where multinationals should operate.

    Stop changing your argument. You said earlier they wanted to work. I was pointing out that if that was truly the case they are sure going about it the wrong way.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    So, were they arrested as per court orders or have the Guards turned a blind eye?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    Five weeks per year is more than double the statutory minimum. A lot of people have to accept the minimum. Many others (e.g. people who were at the jobs for less than 2 years) will get nothing. So screw them tbh, I have no sympathy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Step 1. Tear gas
    Step 2. Baton charge
    Step 3. ...
    Step 4. Profit !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 44 maggie797


    as a manager I would be watching all these people very closely and I certainly would not give them a job if and when they do leave there sit in and start looking around for work. Managing a business is enough pressure at the moment without the extra worry of " difficult" staff.. I have heard thomas cook pulled out earlier then planned because of union issues?? dont know how true this is...but it would make me wonder.... 5 weeks is not a bad deal at all and I cant see what they are whinging at...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    So there's getting five weeks per year redunancy.
    Plus their 30 days notice since they were let go with immediate effect

    Score!
    My sympathies for those that were desperate to continue as a travel agent but that's an excellent redunancy package for sure.
    Few companies in Ireland would match that.

    Though my company exceeded it.
    But few companies would


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭Board Senseless


    From The Irish Times: “One woman got a letter on Friday to say that she was being offered €109,000 redundancy and, if she did not accept it, she would only get statutory redundancy which is just €22,000. And they accuse us of dirty tactics,” he said.

    Is it wise of the union to use actual figures like that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    maggie797 wrote: »
    as a manager I would be watching all these people very closely and I certainly would not give them a job if and when they do leave there sit in and start looking around for work. Managing a business is enough pressure at the moment without the extra worry of " difficult" staff.. I have heard thomas cook pulled out earlier then planned because of union issues?? dont know how true this is...but it would make me wonder.... 5 weeks is not a bad deal at all and I cant see what they are whinging at...

    Yes exactly no employer will touch them with a barge pole if they apply for Jobs, they really are very very silly women, but i think they have been taken in by people with a agenda, most noteable the socialist nutters and other left wing lunatics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    They should offer the first one out 6 weeks, the next 2 out 5 weeks, and anyone after that should get 2. See the chaos then!

    Why does what the CEO make come into this? The store is not as profitable as it should be, the company owes you nothing more than the wage you receive, why should they continue to operate where they are operating at less than maximum profit?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    Dave! wrote: »
    Step 1. Tear gas
    Step 2. Baton charge
    Step 3. ...
    Step 4. Profit !

    The guards will have to book a power trip first :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    who do to theese people think they are , public sector workers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    i wonder will they do a dirty protest??....by smearing their fake tan on the walls


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    that's what you'd call a smear campaign


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    its more than likely that the Gardai will mount a morning attack probably 5am or some silly hour or something - to avoid the press.

    cant see them doing it at 11am or in daylight..... it's gonna get messy (I Think)


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    its more than likely that the Gardai will mount a morning attack probably 5am or some silly hour or something - to avoid the press.

    cant see them doing it at 11am or in daylight..... it's gonna get messy (I Think)

    The press will remain their overnight, knowing the boys in blue will strike at any moment.

    Maybe they will rush in through the back, after first cutting all power and shooting in some teargas? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    its more than likely that the Gardai will mount a morning attack probably 5am or some silly hour or something - to avoid the press.

    cant see them doing it at 11am or in daylight..... it's gonna get messy (I Think)

    If one of the workers is actually pregnant they'll be very careful, I'd imagine the workers will stand down as soon as the media hype has faded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    all we need now is the sh*t stirrers from sinn fein to turn up


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    fryup wrote: »
    all we need now is the sh*t stirrers from sinn fein to turn up

    They were there already, holding up a banner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    fryup wrote: »
    all we need now is the sh*t stirrers from sinn fein to turn up

    they were there today.

    Zohan - two (2) of the wimmens is knocked up ...... yup you heard me right, two of the female staff are indeed heavily pregnant - infact, I believe I overheard earlier that both have only about 2weeks left before they are due.

    some of the staff members were fast to point out that one of the pregnant ladies was the first to state that she was willing to goto jail and have her child in jail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    They are protesting because they want more redundancy payment. It has nothing to do with wanting to work. Fin

    They were in negotiation for weeks trying to keep at least one shop open. Please inform yourself of at least the basics before chipping in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    Sully wrote: »
    The press will remain their overnight, knowing the boys in blue will strike at any moment.

    Maybe they will rush in through the back, after first cutting all power and shooting in some teargas? :p

    as far as I understand most people (including press) believe that nothing can/will happen until 11am .... but my understanding is that the gardai have already been given the green light by the judge to go in at any time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    They really are mamking a show of Ireland, what company in there right mind would now choose Ireland to invest in and these posters on here going on about how much money Buissness make better wake up to themselves, buisness are supposed to make money thats what there for, what diffrence does it make how much money they make as long as they treat there workers right and in this case the company has and gone above the min redunancy level to pay. Some posters on here seem to live in a fantasy world, where everyone should get equal pay requardless of how hard they work, there either teenagers or some deluded students but they cant possible be Adults with thinking like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 713 ✭✭✭Crackity Jones


    Nodin wrote: »
    They were in negotiation for weeks trying to keep at least one shop open. Please inform yourself of at least the basics before chipping in.

    All reports I have seen have said protest is over better redundancy. That's pretty basic to me


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    no sympathy for them tbh. they're getting 5 weeks plus 2 weeks statutory. alot of people these days are just getting their 2 weeks statutory and nothing more.

    i actually hope Thomas Cook pull the offer and just offer statutory 2 weeks redundancy to teach those bints a lesson in not being greedy. theres a recession on ffs their time would be better served out looking for new jobs rather than sitting in hoping in vain for more money from an already generous redundancy package.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,543 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    All reports I have seen have said protest is over better redundancy. That's pretty basic to me

    Also management decided on Friday to close the stores prematurely, after they stated they would close at the end of the month earlier. Thats what sparked the sit-in.


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