Thomas Cook Grafton Street store occupied by the workers

Board Senseless · 03-08-2009 6:59pm

"Down with rich people. Up with the general sort of person!" Then off to Toners for some solidarity.

JONJO THE MISER · 03-08-2009 7:08pm

Sweet Jesus look at the asortment of left wing luantics they have attracted on the streets, i dont ming them protesting but now thay have draged in every left wing middle class mommys boy nutjob to protest with them, get a job ye lazy articles(hippies) and have a wash while ye are at it.

bossdrum · 03-08-2009 7:25pm

Why don't the greedy b***ards set up their own travel agents if they think it's so profitable.

These workers/socialists are all talk but never do anything for themselves and expect the risk takers to earn the same wage as employees who are always on the look out for an opportunity to skive off work.

A multinational would be crazy to set up here now.

JONJO THE MISER · 03-08-2009 7:28pm

bossdrum wrote: »

Why don't the greedy b***ards set up their own travel agents if they think it's so profitable.

These workers/socialists are all talk but never do anything for themselves and expect the risk takers to earn the same wage as employees who are always on the look out for an opportunity to skive off work.

A multinational would be crazy to set up here now.

Here Here well said sir, these people seem to think that if you own a Buissness you must be raking it in when in fact most buissness are suffering at the moment, bunch of whinging women and left wing idiots who wouldnt know what a job was even if it hit them in the face.

Nodin · 03-08-2009 7:53pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Here Here well said sir, these people seem to think that if you own a Buissness you must be raking it in

The group made a profit last year. They paid the chief 5 million STG as a bonus.

the groutch · 03-08-2009 7:55pm

Nodin wrote: »

The group made a profit last year. They paid the chief 5 million STG as a bonus.

yes, the group made a profit, their irish operations are most likely making significant losses

phantom_lord · 03-08-2009 7:55pm

Nodin wrote: »

The group made a profit last year. They paid the chief 5 million STG as a bonus.

and?

Fratton Fred · 03-08-2009 8:04pm

The CEO got a huge bonus because he helped engineer a merger that formed one of the largest travel firms in europe. They then rationalised (they closed 150 stores in the UK) and created a solid profitable well run company. If you want a CEO of that calibre then that is the sort of dosh you have to pay.

Besides, who goes to a travel agent these days, everyone books online don't they?

Nodin · 03-08-2009 8:04pm

the groutch wrote:

yes, the group made a profit, their irish operations are most likely making significant losses?

They may be making a loss, but in the greater scheme of things its a drop in the ocean. In a multinational that large, theres always regional swings. In a year or two elsewhere could be down while here picks up. A few years back they lost their proverbial bollox in england while enjoying a record year here.

phantom_lord wrote: »

and?

That doesn't strike you as an obscene amount of money to hand out in the light of others being made redundant.?

Mossy Monk · 03-08-2009 8:07pm

Nodin wrote: »

I mean, why should they get a better payout when one of their chiefs can get 5 Million STG stuffed in his pocket......

For starters they are not entitled to a larger payout.

phantom_lord · 03-08-2009 8:10pm

Nodin wrote: »

They may be making a loss, but in the greater scheme of things its a drop in the ocean. In a multinational that large, theres always regional swings. In a year or two elsewhere could be down while here picks up. A few years back they lost their proverbial bollox in england while enjoying a record year here.

That doesn't strike you as an obscene amount of money to hand out in the light of others being made redundant.?

i don't see how what he was paid is relevant to this discussion?

if they're making a loss and choose to shut down the shops that's their prerogative, i don't get why they think it's acceptable for them to occupy the building or what they hope to achieve or why anyone would support them?

Crackity Jones · 03-08-2009 8:23pm

TheZohan wrote: »

Maybe cringeworthy if you have a job, if you have just been told you are going to lose yours you'd do the same.
Fair play to them for protesting. They want to work. It would be worse if they just sat on their arses being keyboard warriors complaining.

It's all too easy for these multinationals to come into the country and milk it for evey cent during the boom times they pack up and go when they feel like it.

They're doing their best to change things in real life.We could all learn a lesson from them.

They are protesting because they want more redundancy payment. It has nothing to do with wanting to work. If they were truly interested in wanting to work they would be doing something more productive such as sending out CVs. Its not doing their future job prospects any good occupying the building and defying a court order.

Where do you think the multinationals came from in the first place?? Mars?? They will goto where it is most efficient for them to be. This is the global economy we are a part of and have benefited greatly from.

They are not doing their best to change things. They are seeking more payment for themselves. Fin

TheZohanS · 03-08-2009 8:40pm

Crackity Jones wrote: »

Where do you think the multinationals came from in the first place?? Mars??

Are you 5? Because the above section of your post sounds like it.

They will goto where it is most efficient for them to be. This is the global economy we are a part of and have benefited greatly from.

It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.

They are not doing their best to change things. They are seeking more payment for themselves. Fin

Some people are fighters, not walkovers. They are trying to get all they can, not just improved redundancy money. Fin.

andrew · 03-08-2009 8:46pm

TheZohan wrote: »

It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.

It's still subject to cost and efficiency improvments, economies of scale and scope etc.

Some people are fighters, not walkovers. They are trying to get all they can, not just improved redundancy money. Fin.

Trying to get all they can, which in this case is more than they deserve. Being a fighter isn't admirable in of itself, and not if you don't deserve what you're fighting for

Jesus Wept · 03-08-2009 8:50pm

irishturkey wrote: »

i'd back them to the mother truckin hilt. too often, companies come up with half arsed excuses to bail.

Not being profitable is not a half arsed excuse.

irishturkey wrote: »

maybe im wrong but right now im stuck in a similar dispute. if you dont know the details its hard to comment

Well there isn't much to dispute then.

TheZohan wrote: »

Maybe cringeworthy if you have a job, if you have just been told you are going to lose yours you'd do the same.

No, I wouldn't, it's idiotic.

TheZohan wrote: »

It's all too easy for these multinationals to come into the country and milk it for evey cent during the boom times they pack up and go when they feel like it.

They aren't milking anything, without multinationals there would be very few jobs, and if they were required to stay here when the well runs dry, they rightly would never have come here originally and there never would have been any jobs in the first place, but for some inane reason, that would sate you and these workers. Bizarre.

TheZohan wrote: »

They're doing their best to change things in real life.We could all learn a lesson from them.

lol \o/

TheZohan wrote: »

It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.

It's essentially a retail shop though, they need people to come in off the streets and buy, it's clearly not happening.
I've walked past the shop in College Green for the past 10 years and wondered how much longer it would be there, it always looked empty to me.
It's not a profitable shop.

Crackity Jones · 03-08-2009 8:53pm

TheZohan wrote: »

Are you 5? Because the above section of your post sounds like it.

It's a tour operator, not a manufacturing plant.

Some people are fighters, not walkovers. They are trying to get all they can, not just improved redundancy money. Fin.

No I'm not 5 (yawn) just surprised that you believe Ireland should be the only country in the world where multinationals should operate.

Stop changing your argument. You said earlier they wanted to work. I was pointing out that if that was truly the case they are sure going about it the wrong way.

Sully · 03-08-2009 9:06pm

So, were they arrested as per court orders or have the Guards turned a blind eye?

cornbb · 03-08-2009 9:08pm

Five weeks per year is more than double the statutory minimum. A lot of people have to accept the minimum. Many others (e.g. people who were at the jobs for less than 2 years) will get nothing. So screw them tbh, I have no sympathy.

Dave! · 03-08-2009 9:18pm

Step 1. Tear gas
Step 2. Baton charge
Step 3. ...
Step 4. Profit !

maggie797 · 03-08-2009 9:28pm

as a manager I would be watching all these people very closely and I certainly would not give them a job if and when they do leave there sit in and start looking around for work. Managing a business is enough pressure at the moment without the extra worry of " difficult" staff.. I have heard thomas cook pulled out earlier then planned because of union issues?? dont know how true this is...but it would make me wonder.... 5 weeks is not a bad deal at all and I cant see what they are whinging at...

mikemac · 03-08-2009 9:31pm

So there's getting five weeks per year redunancy.
Plus their 30 days notice since they were let go with immediate effect

Score!
My sympathies for those that were desperate to continue as a travel agent but that's an excellent redunancy package for sure.
Few companies in Ireland would match that.

Though my company exceeded it.
But few companies would

Board Senseless · 03-08-2009 9:33pm

From The Irish Times: “One woman got a letter on Friday to say that she was being offered €109,000 redundancy and, if she did not accept it, she would only get statutory redundancy which is just €22,000. And they accuse us of dirty tactics,” he said.

Is it wise of the union to use actual figures like that?

JONJO THE MISER · 03-08-2009 9:36pm

maggie797 wrote: »

as a manager I would be watching all these people very closely and I certainly would not give them a job if and when they do leave there sit in and start looking around for work. Managing a business is enough pressure at the moment without the extra worry of " difficult" staff.. I have heard thomas cook pulled out earlier then planned because of union issues?? dont know how true this is...but it would make me wonder.... 5 weeks is not a bad deal at all and I cant see what they are whinging at...

Yes exactly no employer will touch them with a barge pole if they apply for Jobs, they really are very very silly women, but i think they have been taken in by people with a agenda, most noteable the socialist nutters and other left wing lunatics.

Sofiztikated · 03-08-2009 9:41pm

They should offer the first one out 6 weeks, the next 2 out 5 weeks, and anyone after that should get 2. See the chaos then!

Why does what the CEO make come into this? The store is not as profitable as it should be, the company owes you nothing more than the wage you receive, why should they continue to operate where they are operating at less than maximum profit?

andrew · 03-08-2009 9:43pm

Dave! wrote: »

Step 1. Tear gas
Step 2. Baton charge
Step 3. ...
Step 4. Profit !

The guards will have to book a power trip first

irish_bob · 03-08-2009 10:04pm

who do to theese people think they are , public sector workers

fryup · 03-08-2009 10:04pm

i wonder will they do a dirty protest??....by smearing their fake tan on the walls

the groutch · 03-08-2009 10:07pm

that's what you'd call a smear campaign

PCPhoto · 03-08-2009 10:08pm

its more than likely that the Gardai will mount a morning attack probably 5am or some silly hour or something - to avoid the press.

cant see them doing it at 11am or in daylight..... it's gonna get messy (I Think)

Sully · 03-08-2009 10:10pm

PCPhoto wrote: »

its more than likely that the Gardai will mount a morning attack probably 5am or some silly hour or something - to avoid the press.

cant see them doing it at 11am or in daylight..... it's gonna get messy (I Think)

The press will remain their overnight, knowing the boys in blue will strike at any moment.

Maybe they will rush in through the back, after first cutting all power and shooting in some teargas?

Thomas Cook Grafton Street store occupied by the workers

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