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  • #182
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Here is the full list taken from this thread and other suggestions. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

    I have used strike through to cut out stuff which may not work. If anyone thinks stuff should stay or go from the list below then speak now or forever hold your peace.

    I'll beautify it in the next few days and add tables, disclaimers, rules, etc. After that it will be posted in the fitness logs as a sticky and we can all go crazy.



    Post for powerlifting records

    Powerlifting Totals: Belts & straps only. No equipped lifting as too specialized. Video required.
    • 3 lift total
    • Rankings by WILKS
    • Combined male & female table
    • To submit a total here you will need to submit an entry in each of the individual powerlifts (squat, bench, deadlift) lifts below
    • Average bodyweight taken for WILKS calculations
    • Ideally the 3 lifts will have been done within ~1 month of each other so you are roughly the same weight

    Squat (combined male & female table ranked by WILKS)

    Bench (combined male & female table ranked by WILKS)

    Deadlift (combined male & female table ranked by WILKS)

    20 rep Squat … order by weight lifted. Bodyweight noted

    Overhead Press (can be push press) … order by weight lifted. Bodyweight noted.





    Post for olylifting records
    Olympic Lifting Totals …. Just belts and straps, Just RAW (no equipped as probably not enough interest). Video required.
    • 2 lift total
    • Rankings by SINCLAIR
    • Combined male & female table
    • To submit a total here you will need to submit an entry in each of the individual olylifts (snatch, clean & jerk) lifts below
    • Average bodyweight taken for SINCLAIR calculations
    • Ideally the 2 lifts will have been done within ~1 month of each other so you are roughly the same weight

    Snatch (combined male & female table ranked by SINCLAIR)…..anyway snatch / power snatch

    Clean & Jerk (combined male & female table ranked by SINCLAIR) ….anyway C&J

    Power Clean (combined male & female table ranked by SINCLAIR)





    Post for general fitness records (requires video)

    Push ups
    • separate male & female table (Crossfit standard press ups)
    • one category for all bodyweight
    • max in 1 min

    Pull ups
    • separate male & female table
    • one category for all bodyweight
    • max in 1 min

    Burpees Max in 1 minute: standing, to press up position, to standing jump with back straight and eyes forward
    Dips full body for men / on a bench for ladies
    Turkish Get-Ups with 5kg dumbbell

    Curls [no comment]
    Death by Clean and Jerk: 1 C&J in the first min, 2 C&J in the second min etc [already got enough weights stuff]

    100m sprint / goal post to goal post ...time yourself sprinting from one goal post to the other (length ways on the football pitch)

    Swimming lap time [awkward, different pool lengths]
    Deadlift bodyweight x 1.5 [lots of other powerlifting stuff already. Could also be dangerous at high reps]
    Fastest 250m on concept 2 [lots of other rowing already]
    Handstand pushups [too specialized]

    Running
    • 1 km run
    • 2 km run
    • 3 km run

    Rowing
    • 500m row
    • 2K row
    • 5K row

    Crossfit - Cindy: 20 Minutes, as many rounds as possible of 5 Pull Ups, 10 Push Ups, 15 Squats

    Crossfit - Fran: 21 Pull Ups, 21 Thrusters w/45kg, 15 Pull Ups, 15 Thrusters w/45kg, 9 Pull Ups, 9 Thrusters w/45kg (women = 15kg??)

    Farmer rows [lots of other lifting/fitness stuff?]



    Running / Triathlon
    To submit an entry in the list below you should go to this thread in the Running & Triathlon forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055454788

    That thread will take care of the following
    Running:
    5 km
    5 Mile
    10 km
    10 Mile
    Half Mara
    Marathon

    Triathlon:
    Sprint Tri
    Oly Tri
    Half IM
    IronMan

    Steps: test how many times you can get up and down a certain set of steps within 1 min [need steps, too awkard. Different steps everywhere]

    Jump squats with weight. Get someone to test the heights that can be jumped with a set weight. Try to improve with practice [hard to measure this one]

    Plyometric lunges, endurance orientated. Test how many you can do in a continuous time frame. Increase timeframe depending on fitness level [covered by burpees]

    Plyometric press ups [covered by press ups]

    Fitball press ups with hands on the ball [covered by press ups]



    General Fitness Challenges: (no video required)

    Challenge #1: 5 rounds:
    • 15 rep bodyweight deadlift
    • 25 press-ups
    • 10 chin-ups (inverted rows for women)

    Challenge #2: 7 rounds:
    • 20 press ups
    • 20 squats (using no weights)
    • 20 crunches (can all be done with no equipment and in one spot)

    Challenge #3: Aim for 35-45 mins
    • 100 chin ups/seated rows/band pulls or reverse curls (seated rows with 1/3 of body weight for women or 1/2 body weight for guys will work)
    • run 1km (as quick as you can)
    • 100 press ups (knees for the ladies)
    • run 1km
    • 100 sit ups
    • run 1km
    • 100 bodyweight squats
    • run final 1km

    Challenge #4: "Transform special": 5 rounds. Aim for ~42 mins
    • Run 1km (keep under 5 mins)
    • 20 ab wheel rollouts (use a barbell for this)
    • 30 inverted rows (use smith machine or place a bar in a rack)
    • 40 press ups (perform with hands on a pair of dumbbells)
    • 50 squats (no added weight)

    Challenge #5: (aim for fastest time)
    • 3k run
    • 50 press ups
    • 50 sit ups

    Challenge #6: (aim for fastest time)
    • 5km bike
    • 20 body weight jump squats
    • 20 triceps dips

    Challenge #7: (aim for fastest time)
    • 2km on a rower
    • 3km on the treadmill
    • 5km on the bike


  • #183
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    I'm starting a petition for death by CandJ to be included!! its the only real cross over between fitness and weights there (well the only one id do!!!:))


  • #184
    bigstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭bigstar


    Whoa! this is gonna be fun, or injury ridden!

    thanks boss, some serious work your doing.


  • #185
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Oh god....

    <--- Feels the pain already.


  • #186
    cardio,shoot me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭cardio,shoot me


    BossArky wrote: »
    Curls [no comment]
    Poor L, now what can he win :P


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  • #187
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    can murdering cardio, be an event??:P


  • #188
    cardio,shoot me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭cardio,shoot me


    try and catch me :P


  • #189
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    I'm starting a petition for death by CandJ to be included!! its the only real cross over between fitness and weights there (well the only one id do!!!:))

    Tbh I'm glad this one was cut, I think its probably the most dangerous option of the whole lot (apart from perhaps max bench with suicide grip and no spotter) It just seems like getting people to do as many C&J's as possible, will lead to huge fatigue and has the most chance of injury out of the lot of them. Its one of the most technical lifts there and most people on here won't have gotten training in it.

    Also bossarky I would suggest that max lifts for the powerlifting section should be done within two weeks, Its entirely reasonable to have people do a max bench monday, squat at the end of the week and deads at the end of the next week without really stressing out their CNS, and the potential for weight gain (for some at least) over a month could be the difference between which weight division a person would be in. Like if I did a max squat the first day of the month, and a max dead the last day, I would definitely be capable of adding 3-4kgs of bodyweight (obv not muscle, but still a big difference) and also probably take the 3 weeks after that squat to prepare for a max deadlift on the last day of the month. I think the potential for a decent increase in the example given is pretty strong, just guessing but I'd say anywhere between 5 and 15kg could be achieved in that time, depending on circumstances. That's just my opinion, if actual powerlifters read this and think its bull then we can forget the whole thing.


  • #190
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Cardio,

    I'll give ya a tenner if you can beat me at anything, event of your choice!!!!:rolleyes: EDIT: from the list!!!!

    wilks etc inclusive!

    even a cardio dicipline:eek: just not jerking and clean.... or whatever ur using to burn all that fat:p


  • #191
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Tbh I'm glad this one was cut, I think its probably the most dangerous option of the whole lot (apart from perhaps max bench with suicide grip and no spotter) It just seems like getting people to do as many C&J's as possible, will lead to huge fatigue and has the most chance of injury out of the lot of them.

    Also bossarky I would suggest that max lifts for the powerlifting section should be done within two weeks, Its entirely reasonable to have people do a max bench monday, squat at the end of the week and deads at the end of the next week without really stressing out their CNS, and the potential for weight gain (for some at least) over a month could be the difference between which weight division a person would be in. Like if I did a max squat the first day of the month, and a max dead the last day, I would definitely be capable of adding 3-4kgs of bodyweight (obv not muscle, but still a big difference) and also probably take the 3 weeks after that squat to prepare for a max deadlift on the last day of the month. I think the potential for a decent increase in the example given is pretty strong, just guessing but I'd say anywhere between 5 and 15kg could be achieved in that time, depending on circumstances. That's just my opinion, if actual powerlifters read this and think its bull then we can forget the whole thing.

    Jesus we're takin this a bit serious!!:confused:

    and the CandJ is a crossfit WOD


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  • #192
    cardio,shoot me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭cardio,shoot me


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    Cardio,

    I'll give ya a tenner if you can beat me at anything, event of your choice!!!!:rolleyes:

    wilks etc inclusive!

    even a cardio dicipline:eek: just not jerking and clean.... or whatever ur using to burn all that fat:p
    hmm, 100 metre swim freestyle? i used to do a good bit of swimming.


  • #193
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    cardio,shoot me wrote: »
    hmm, 100 metre swim freestyle? i used to do a good bit of swimming.

    mise freisin!!

    i didnt see swimming on it tho?


  • #194
    cardio,shoot me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭cardio,shoot me


    u said any event i want. What? are u afraid? u cant curl ur way out of this one biatch


  • #195
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    Jesus we're takin this a bit serious!!:confused:

    and the CandJ is a crossfit WOD

    I know it is, that doesn't mean its a good idea though.


  • #196
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    brianthebard wrote: »
    I know it is, that doesn't mean its a good idea though.

    Ya i cant believe i used that as justification!! this crossfit must be winning me over subconciously:)


  • #197
    bigstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭bigstar


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Tbh I'm glad this one was cut, I think its probably the most dangerous option of the whole lot (apart from perhaps max bench with suicide grip and no spotter) It just seems like getting people to do as many C&J's as possible, will lead to huge fatigue and has the most chance of injury out of the lot of them. Its one of the most technical lifts there and most people on here won't have gotten training in it.

    Also bossarky I would suggest that max lifts for the powerlifting section should be done within two weeks, Its entirely reasonable to have people do a max bench monday, squat at the end of the week and deads at the end of the next week without really stressing out their CNS, and the potential for weight gain (for some at least) over a month could be the difference between which weight division a person would be in. Like if I did a max squat the first day of the month, and a max dead the last day, I would definitely be capable of adding 3-4kgs of bodyweight (obv not muscle, but still a big difference) and also probably take the 3 weeks after that squat to prepare for a max deadlift on the last day of the month. I think the potential for a decent increase in the example given is pretty strong, just guessing but I'd say anywhere between 5 and 15kg could be achieved in that time, depending on circumstances. That's just my opinion, if actual powerlifters read this and think its bull then we can forget the whole thing.


    if anyone wants to do that then theyre probably taking it a bit too seriously tbh. anyway as i read it you need record your bodyweight too for the wilks/sinclair score and your total is just the best lifts you get in a monthly period.


  • #198
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    brianthebard wrote: »

    Also bossarky I would suggest that max lifts for the powerlifting section should be done within two weeks, Its entirely reasonable to have people do a max bench monday, squat at the end of the week and deads at the end of the next week without really stressing out their CNS, and the potential for weight gain (for some at least) over a month could be the difference between which weight division a person would be in. Like if I did a max squat the first day of the month, and a max dead the last day, I would definitely be capable of adding 3-4kgs of bodyweight (obv not muscle, but still a big difference) and also probably take the 3 weeks after that squat to prepare for a max deadlift on the last day of the month. I think the potential for a decent increase in the example given is pretty strong, just guessing but I'd say anywhere between 5 and 15kg could be achieved in that time, depending on circumstances. That's just my opinion, if actual powerlifters read this and think its bull then we can forget the whole thing.

    I don't really see the point to be honest... it's only meant to be a bit of funny anyway. If people want a true powerlifting total then they've gotta do it competition style. In truth, I'd probably deadlift more the day of a comp than I would in the week or two after cos my CNS would be shagged.

    Personally, I don't see the need to even have a time limit on when the lifts are done. If it were up to me I'd say post a vid of your lift from any period, but for the PL total all lifts must be done within the same weight class. Though I'm not even sure the need for that. If people start trying to manipulate bodyweight we can;
    -just take the lower of the combined wilks points for the 3 lifts calculated individually and the total they make
    -use an average bodyweight for the 3 lifts instead of the daily flucuations

    I think it's getting way more complicated than it needs to be really!

    My personal preference would be;

    If you're in the same weight class, then your average bodyweight on the days you did the lifts is used. If not, the wilks points from the individual lifts is summed for your total wilks. And if you've video evidence of a lift, but are unsure of exact weight then you default to the top end of the nearest weightclass. For example if I posted an old vid and didnt recall my weight I'd have to assume 110kg, even tho I could have been 105-110kg.

    Just my 2 cents!


  • #199
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Yeah those are fair points lads, I guess I just see rules and want to make sure they aren't taken advantage of. Truthfully it won't really affect me anyways because the only one I want to do in the next while is the 20 squats, don't want to potentially mess with my back by doing more max squats and deadlifts for the next few months. It was more for the sake of a more accurate total that I suggested a shorter time period, obviously nothings going to be able to take the place of actual competition though so its probably not worth trying to mimic it.


  • #200
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Muchos kudos BA :D

    One Q - can we enter lists/ exercises retrospectively or are they only lifts done from here on in? Can I enter my previous PLing totals for e.g.?

    There's no such things as equipped Oly lifting, we're just strong :D:p
    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    I'm starting a petition for death by CandJ to be included!!
    I'm going to pull rank here and say there absolutely, categorically will not be a Death by C&J entry. Worst. Idea. Ever.


  • #201
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    g'em wrote: »
    Muchos kudos BA :D

    One Q - can we enter lists/ exercises retrospectively or are they only lifts done from here on in? Can I enter my previous PLing totals for e.g.?

    There's no such things as equipped Oly lifting, we're just strong :D:p

    I'm going to pull rank here and say there absolutely, categorically will not be a Death by C&J entry. Worst. Idea. Ever.


    :(* Tear



    How about bodyweight bench for reps..


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  • #202
    kevpants
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    Anyone who tries to manipulate the bodyweight rules and space lifts out over months can go to the top of the saddo table anyway.

    It would be funny though if someone submited a video of them doing the 3 lifts, one with snow on the ground outside the gym one with people tanning outside the gym and one with them with really long hair.

    Why was the post to post thing gotten rid of? Differences in lengths of pitches? I'd love a sprint based one. How many arguments could that card be played in if you were the fastest/slowest.


  • #203
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    g'em wrote: »
    One Q - can we enter lists/ exercises retrospectively or are they only lifts done from here on in? Can I enter my previous PLing totals for e.g.?

    Yes, I think you should be able to submit historical stuff as long there is video evidence.

    Originally I was thinking that the records would start from a clean slate, but this is probably a bad idea as it would take ages to build up a decent competitive list.

    If you can supply video evidence then you can include them. What do you think?


  • #204
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    BossArky wrote: »
    If you can supply video evidence then you can include them. What do you think?
    Cool! In the absence of a video I'm guessing that official competition records will suffice?? :pac: :D


  • #205
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Just realised I missed a PM from Cowzerp, so I have added 3 more challenges to my previous post.

    I am slightly worried that some of the earlier challenges have too many pull ups in them. Should they be simplified?

    Do you think the cross fit Fran thrusters with 45kg for men and 15kg with women are too hard? Maybe use lighter weight?
    kevpants wrote: »
    Why was the post to post thing gotten rid of? Differences in lengths of pitches? I'd love a sprint based one. How many arguments could that card be played in if you were the fastest/slowest.

    Personally I want a sprint one too. I took it out as there didn't seem to be much interest. I'll add it back in.

    How about time yourself sprinting from one goal post to the other (length ways on the football pitch). Pitches vary from 90 to 110m I think... so you are handicapped by the facilities in your area. Still, it should be a laugh.


  • #206
    --amadeus--
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    How we worked it in A/R/T is that we are taking teh calender year (though we started it at the start of teh year). My plan is that at the end of teh year the top 3 of each distance will get put into a stickie "Hall of Fame" and a brand new "Best of 2010" thread will start.

    If you allow old stuff in the disadvantage is that someone could post something from a few years ago and you will rapidly end up with a spectacular looking list that never changes because it's full of regular contributors lifetime bests. IMO it's better to have a slow building, slow burning set of threads that keep people interested over a long period of time than a fast filling one that dies equally quickly. And if you only allow entries from either now of from Jan then mere mortals might get a chance to bask in teh glory of topping a table for a while before the big boys get a chance to contribute :D

    [edit] slow on teh post today...

    On sprints there are tracks all over teh country, why not have a 100m / 400m challenge as well? Removes the variance of pitch lengths. Rugby, gaelic and soccer pitches will all vary pretty widely in length and teh difference between sprinting 110m and 90m is huge.


  • #207
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    --amadeus-- wrote: »
    If you allow old stuff in the disadvantage is that someone could post something from a few years ago and you will rapidly end up with a spectacular looking list that never changes because it's full of regular contributors lifetime bests. IMO it's better to have a slow building, slow burning set of threads that keep people interested over a long period of time than a fast filling one that dies equally quickly. And if you only allow entries from either now of from Jan then mere mortals might get a chance to bask in teh glory of topping a table for a while before the big boys get a chance to contribute :D
    Yeah, this is fair enough - mine are from '07 so they're not quite current. Boo :(although I am being allowed to do my once annual token deadlifting day soon :D


  • #208
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    g'em / Hanley, could you two come up with oly / powerlifting "rules" please?

    Nothing detailed, just a few lines of basic stuff, so people will know what is generally expected.


  • #209
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Overhead movements (snatch/ jerk): no pressing allowed. Lift should finish with elbows locked and arms straight.

    'Power' indicates hips above parallel, full lift should see hips below.

    Muscle up =/= good lift (@ judges' discretion)

    My feeling on this is that the oly lifts will need to be looked at as they come in and if the lift really isn't what it says it is then it's disallowed. I understand that not everyone has access to coaching and the like, but you can't do a split push press and call it a jerk. It's easy to see what the lifts should look like by doing a cursory Google. There'll still be a lot of leniancy given though...


  • #210
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    g'em wrote: »
    Overhead movements (snatch/ jerk): no pressing allowed. Lift should finish with elbows locked and arms straight.

    Do you mean press-outs?

    My feeling on this is that the oly lifts will need to be looked at as they come in and if the lift really isn't what it says it is then it's disallowed. I understand that not everyone has access to coaching and the like, but you can't do a split push press and call it a jerk. It's easy to see what the lifts should look like by doing a cursory Google. There'll still be a lot of leniancy given though...

    Isn't there less potential to put weight up when doing the lifts "wrong" tho? Like the lifter with a solid jerk and tight snatch is always going to put up more that way than if they were to try and push press the weight no?

    So by doing the lifts "wrong" you actually put yourself at a disadvantage? Unlike the advantage that would be gained from doing the powerlifts "wrong" (ie squatting high and bouncing benches).


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  • #211
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    BossArky wrote: »
    g'em / Hanley, could you two come up with oly / powerlifting "rules" please?

    Nothing detailed, just a few lines of basic stuff, so people will know what is generally expected.

    General Rules:
    -lifts can be done on the same day or separate days
    -video evidence required for all lifts
    -bodyweight must be stated for purpose of Wilks calculation
    -if lifts done on different days, average bodyweight is used as Wilks calculation basis
    -lifts must be done raw, other than equipment noted below

    Squat:
    -equipment allowed; belt, wrist wraps, knee sleeves, knee wraps (?)
    -you must display control over the weight at the top before starting (ie no stepping about or big lean forward)
    -go down until you break parallel
    -you must stand up and demonstrate control before going back to the rack (ie no getting to the top and falling back into the rack).

    Example of a "good" squat;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQPi1g-z-g


    Bench:
    -equipment allowed; belt, wrist wraps, elbow sleeves
    -take the bar out of the rack to arms length
    -lower the bar until it touches your chest and then reverse it
    -ABSOLUTELY NO BOUNCING or touches from a spotters
    -ass and shoulders must stay in contact with the ground at all times
    -bar must return to arms length and be under the control of the lifter before replacing it in the rack (ie you can't press it into the rack)

    Example of a "good" bench;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-1huSv7s4


    Deadlift:
    -equipment allowed; belt, wrist wraps, elbow sleeves, knee sleeves, NO STRAPS connecting you to the bar
    -dip, grip and rip
    -no hitching (ie getting the bar to just above your knees, resting it there and shaking back and forward to get it to lockout)
    -knees must be fully locked at the top
    -hips must be fully locked (think glutes through, don't just lean back from your lower back)
    -shoulders must be in a normal standing position (rounded forward not allowed)
    -bar must be returned to the ground under relative control (ie no dropping)
    -sumo or conventional is allowed

    Example of a "good" deadlift;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvhNIYP_xEk




    All rules subject to change pending discussion

    Anyone got any feedback? Option of knee wraps and sleeves?

    A final consideration, for those of us who don't take raw maxes often, can we use a multi rep set for our entry? Like provided one rep within the set is "good" per the rules, can it be counted? Personally I would suggest we DO NOT use a rep max calculator to extrapolate a 1rm. The weight you post, even if it's for a set of 5, is the weight you use for the comp.


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