20% foreign people in Ireland now - highest in Europe

Terry · 04-11-2007 7:30pm

Decentralisation?

No way.

you can't build in that field. That's where farmer Joe's cow saw the blessed virgin.
The field next to it? No. There's a fairy fort there.

Tha Gopher · 04-11-2007 8:33pm

Hobbes wrote: »

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Look let me start by saying "Asylum Seeker" is not an immigrant. For starters they don't have the right to live here, they are only temporary here until they are processed.

An immigrant is someone who leaves their country or origin to take up permanent residence in another country. Asylum seekers are people who are escaping their country and plan to return once it is safe to do so.

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Is it?

What about asylum seekers who leave with no intention of ever returning, even if things stabilise?

A very pedantic point, but so is your arguement about what is and isnt immigration.

Imported but · 04-11-2007 8:46pm

Terry wrote: »

Decentralisation?

No way.

you can't build in that field. That's where farmer Joe's cow saw the blessed virgin.
The field next to it? No. There's a fairy fort there.

Fair point, they start building new motorways through the fields for the Dublin traffic instead of decentralisation :rolleyes:

The concentration of growth in Dublin and its commuter towns is so marked -see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland/Largest_100.
I can't imagine there are many other countries with one big city (~1million or more) and only one other over 100,000... not counting small (area-wise) city states like Hong Kong...

I don't think preservation of sacred/historic sites is the barrier here, I think it's another example of the compromised independence of those in Government. I dare say that most TDs are personally and politically untouched by issues affecting a lot of people whose lives are being ruined by commuting times, housing affordability (going down as interest rates rise), schooling and the health system, but maybe have vested interests in sinking more and more funding into 'Greater' Dublin. But this is too far off-topic... maybe the inflow will indeed reverse itself and take some pressure off. And years later they'll finish the motorways etc. they promised would be open already

04-11-2007 11:01pm

I'll admit to being somewhat racist for various reasons, it's not a case of "I hate everyone from everywhere" - it's more like "I'm concerned about the future of this country." Basically I feel convinced that the powers that be in this country can't do anything right (and no I didn't vote for them this time round). So because some of my views are pretty extreme I tend to stay out of discussions such as this.

But yesterday a couple of girls got on a bus I was about to get off of, one of them goes "smell of s***e on this bus", after which the second goes "it's not a smell of s***e, it's a smell of ****ing foreigners." Part of me couldn't believe that someone actually said such a blatantly racist remark in public!

ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV · 05-11-2007 12:55am

holland has to have more than 20% foreign population rate

Terry · 05-11-2007 8:52am

Nope.
19.1% according to wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands

Now had you been to Amsterdam, you may have noticed lots of foreign people, but you have to remember that Amsterdam is the main tourist area.

Outer Bongolia · 05-11-2007 3:07pm

If Britain's official estimate of the scale of recent migration could be out by a few hundred thousand people, what about Ireland's?

The Minister of State for integration, Conor Lenihan, said recently he believed last year's census gave a "serious underestimate" of the number of foreign nationals living in the country and speculated that the non-Irish population could amount to 13-15 per cent of the total, rather than the 10 per cent reported in the census.

But the census is by far the most rigorous and comprehensive study to be carried out, and there is no hard evidence to contradict its findings. In its defence, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) can point to a census campaign that lasted 20 weeks, during which all 1.8 million households in the State were visited - many several times - by more than 5,000 enumerators.

It's possible that the CSO missed people, but if the totals are wrong to the degree that is alleged, enumerators would have missed about a quarter of a million people, all of them foreign nationals. And if so many were missed, their presence would almost certainly show up in other indicators, says one expert. If foreign nationals accounted for 15 per cent of the population by April 2006, then the quarterly national household survey, for instance, would be showing labour force growth to be more than double the 4.5 per cent it was indicating for a number of years up to census day.

But there are serious problems with the State's statistics, nonetheless. As the Immigrant Council has pointed out, data collected by government departments are not always compatible and are rarely collated. It suggests that such information - crucial for planning on schools, infrastructure and integration - should be collated and published by one source.

© 2007 The Irish Times

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/newsfeatures/2007/1103/1193444477210.html

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 05-11-2007 3:08pm

did you know that all the problems in the world can be laid at the feet of non-irish?

mike65 · 05-11-2007 3:27pm

Harsh, its the Brits fault really, if Ireland spoke only Irish hardly anyone would come here.

Mike.

Dubit10 · 05-11-2007 4:49pm

Mairt wrote: »

Nice post, but your going to encounter the very same problems here.

Me for instance. I've done 22yrs in the Defence Forces and for the last few had planned on retiring at 21 yrs (with pension) and setting myself up with a taxi to suppliment my pension. As I come from an IT section I'm also qualified for other work too and if I was in dire straits security work would have been another option.

So where do I find myself now?.. Well I'm still in the Defence Forces, I studied for and passed my S.P.V.S. (taxi) test and worked it for a short time. But its not viable anymore due to the number of (mostly Africans) immigrants licenced and working it now. So I looked at the IT sector, same problem there but with East Europeans working for a salery I couldn't possibly live on. So I'm stuck in the army and am genuinely scared of what the future holds for me and my children.

Here's another. My family have lived in Ballymun since it 1969. We lived in the 'flats first then in the 80's got a house in Poppintree, its a three bed.

Due to unfortunete circunstances my younger brother and my sister broke up with their partners. My brother & sister both have one child each. And all living with my parents in the three bed house.

All was looking rosie with the Ballymun regeneration project, but as new apartments and house's became availably both my brother and sister was pushed further and further back on the waiting list as immigrants where given priority on availably housing.

Now my brother, sister and my parents future is as uncertain as mine.

Both are working fulltime in jobs under threat from foreign migrant workers willing to under cut their wages.

My advice would be don't come to Ireland thinking its any better than you have it there, its not.

Great post.Sad thing is a lot of people in todays Ireland will say thats just hard luck, progress etc...I know right where you are coming from as i am in a very similar position to yourself and i am very worried for my kids future.Will they be still living with me in 10 years time? 22 and 20 two girls.They both work full time and are on OK wages.But "OK" wages doesnt do it anymore for getting a house.One of them has been offered a package to leave her job.She started working there three years ago (I.T. position) and at first there was 24 people(22 irish and 2 polish guys),now there is only herself and 3 irish left

and they will take the money on offer and run.She knows for a fact that the non-nationals are getting 40% less per year than she is earning.Sad thing is they just keep coming to ireland because even paying them a ****e wage of 400 per week it's a hell of a lot more than they can dream of at home.Something stinks in this country and will have to change very soon(If it's not to late already) for there to be a future for young irish people:(

gurramok · 05-11-2007 5:28pm

Regarding the jobs, thats what happens when we voted for Nice, surely ye all knew that before ye ticked yes?

One eighth of the UK's workforce now 'born overseas' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7047610.stm
It will be interesting to see if thats the case here.

News today is that Italy now is throwing out certain members of an ethnic group for bad behaviour http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7078532.stm

And now the UK is about to probe any proof of housing unfairness to natives http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7071612.stm

All sounds familiar to 'allegations' here don't it?

20% foreign people in Ireland now - highest in Europe

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