International Poker Open - Final Thread

carfax · 19-09-2007 09:59AM

5starpool wrote:

English only at the table please :rolleyes:

I presume that if there are a published set of rules available this will be included. Actually, on that point, will there be a published set of rules available?

Just printing off copies of the rules this morning Dom.

You can find them here; http://www.pokerireland.ie/index.php/special_interest/article_entry/new_to_the_game_tournament_rules_are_here/ but I am making one or two alterations as these are just TDA rules copied and pasted (more or less).

Mr.Plough · 19-09-2007 10:07AM

lol thought i was already reg'd for this. will do this weekend

lovlyhurlin · 19-09-2007 01:29PM

just registered, 250 in now!

digiman · 19-09-2007 02:16PM

Registered as well, really looking forward to this.

5starpool · 19-09-2007 04:48PM

carfax wrote:

Just printing off copies of the rules this morning Dom.

You can find them here; http://www.pokerireland.ie/index.php/special_interest/article_entry/new_to_the_game_tournament_rules_are_here/ but I am making one or two alterations as these are just TDA rules copied and pasted (more or less).

I certainly don't want to me a moany minnie, and I am glad that there will be a set of published rules available, but is this the right thread to ask about them (from the link above, which I know you said you are making small alterations to), or what do you think would be best? Most of them are about the small things, such as calling clock etc, so no major big deal anyhow.

Cheers.

carfax · 19-09-2007 04:52PM

5starpool wrote:

I certainly don't want to me a moany minnie, and I am glad that there will be a set of published rules available, but is this the right thread to ask about them (from the link above, which I know you said you are making small alterations to), or what do you think would be best? Most of them are about the small things, such as calling clock etc, so no major big deal anyhow.

Cheers.

Yes this is definitely the right thread Dom.... I wanted feeedback on it.

I'll be getting advice from Luke over the next day or so too so I will hold off on printing them up right now.

Would that not be a moany Michael???

carfax · 19-09-2007 05:03PM

5starpool wrote:

Most of them are about the small things, such as calling clock etc, so no major big deal anyhow.Cheers.

I know what you mean there Dom.....Any player at the table will be allowed to call clock and not just players involved in a hand.

Also if I see any players acting like they are on the telly and taking ages to make simple decisions I am going to give them a good frowning at.

Blip · 19-09-2007 05:11PM

carfax wrote:

I know what you mean there Dom.....Any player at the table will be allowed to call clock and not just players involved in a hand.

Also if I see any players acting like they are on the telly and taking ages to make simple decisions I am going to give them a good frowning at.

I think you'd do better if you send in the Clamper!

5starpool · 19-09-2007 05:16PM

Cool, here we go then:

1. Only a player still involved in the hand or the dealer or TD can call clock.
Is this the way it is going to be? This is different from most Dublin games.

2. If you are not seated when the 1st card of a hand is dealt to you, your cards are considered dead.
Is this the first card dealt in the hand, or the first card dealt to the player involved? There is a small but subtle difference involved.

3. If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise.
Is this definitely going to be the rule? I have no problem with it, but it is one that will come up a lot.

4. A hand has begun with the first riffle.
Ok, this is standard, but one thing that sometimes gets confused, is when a new dealer comes in at the start of a new level. The dealer leaving riffles once for a reason, and I presume it is for the new hand begun reason, so the old dealer starts the hand, not the new one. Is this your understanding too?

5. Exposed cards.

I cannot see anywhere that deals with exposed cards (apart from rule 27), but if a card is exposed during the deal, will it be a redeal if on the first card (standard I believe), and give a player a card if on the second card. Where will the new card come from, 3rd bottom, or first burn card? Is a card only open to replacement if it is dealer error or off table or chips? i.e. not off the players hand.

6. Action out of turn may be binding.
Is there going to be clarification of this, or only on a case by case basis if a ruling is called for? Usually if a person bets out of turn, the bet stands, even if raised before them.

7. A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his hand killed.
Is this definitely allowed then? Showing cards to get a reaction? What may the penalty be for this if the exposed cards are not dead?

8. If cards are shown to one player they must be shown to all players. Also, if one card is shown the second card must be shown by the dealer if requested by any player at the table.
Are both of the above going to be used? I know the first one is standard, the second one more contentious.

9. If any player sees another player’s cards, then he/she should immediately announce that they have seen them, the preferred course of action would be that you fold your cards and announce to the dealer that you have seen their cards.
I don't think this preffered course of action is a good thing to list. If I have AA there is no way I am folding, and having a 'suggested' course of action, only encourages situations where people don't declare they saw a hand. Announcing when they have seen it though is to be encouraged I think.

10. You must not make change with other players with any denomination chips without the agreement of the dealer.
I presume this is not going to be rigourously enforced, as this is a very common occurance.

As I say, a lot of those are standard, but those are mainly the ones that cause hassle due to being subtley different in different places. As long as rules are clear I don't mind which tbh. One of my pet hates though is dealers not knowing standard rules or enfocing them, and as there may be a good few inexperienced dealers at this, making sure they are told that they are in control and making sure they know the rules, are only proper imo, and will prevent a lot of difficulties.

Also, I hope you don't think I am criticising in any way, as I am not. I am glad to be able to contribute in some way.

ShadowBJ21 · 19-09-2007 05:49PM

Have you updated the published rules after the 2007 TDA Summit?
I can't remember exactly but they changed a few things.

http://www.pokertda.com/rules.pdf

Shadow

carfax · 19-09-2007 05:54PM

5starpool wrote:

Cool, here we go then:

1. Only a player still involved in the hand or the dealer or TD can call clock.
Is this the way it is going to be? This is different from most Dublin games.

2. If you are not seated when the 1st card of a hand is dealt to you, your cards are considered dead.
Is this the first card dealt in the hand, or the first card dealt to the player involved? There is a small but subtle difference involved.

3. If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise.
Is this definitely going to be the rule? I have no problem with it, but it is one that will come up a lot.

4. A hand has begun with the first riffle.
Ok, this is standard, but one thing that sometimes gets confused, is when a new dealer comes in at the start of a new level. The dealer leaving riffles once for a reason, and I presume it is for the new hand begun reason, so the old dealer starts the hand, not the new one. Is this your understanding too?

5. Exposed cards.

I cannot see anywhere that deals with exposed cards (apart from rule 27), but if a card is exposed during the deal, will it be a redeal if on the first card (standard I believe), and give a player a card if on the second card. Where will the new card come from, 3rd bottom, or first burn card? Is a card only open to replacement if it is dealer error or off table or chips? i.e. not off the players hand.

6. Action out of turn may be binding.
Is there going to be clarification of this, or only on a case by case basis if a ruling is called for? Usually if a person bets out of turn, the bet stands, even if raised before them.

7. A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his hand killed.
Is this definitely allowed then? Showing cards to get a reaction? What may the penalty be for this if the exposed cards are not dead?

8. If cards are shown to one player they must be shown to all players. Also, if one card is shown the second card must be shown by the dealer if requested by any player at the table.
Are both of the above going to be used? I know the first one is standard, the second one more contentious.

9. If any player sees another player’s cards, then he/she should immediately announce that they have seen them, the preferred course of action would be that you fold your cards and announce to the dealer that you have seen their cards.
I don't think this preffered course of action is a good thing to list. If I have AA there is no way I am folding, and having a 'suggested' course of action, only encourages situations where people don't declare they saw a hand. Announcing when they have seen it though is to be encouraged I think.

10. You must not make change with other players with any denomination chips without the agreement of the dealer.
I presume this is not going to be rigourously enforced, as this is a very common occurance.

As I say, a lot of those are standard, but those are mainly the ones that cause hassle due to being subtley different in different places. As long as rules are clear I don't mind which tbh. One of my pet hates though is dealers not knowing standard rules or enfocing them, and as there may be a good few inexperienced dealers at this, making sure they are told that they are in control and making sure they know the rules, are only proper imo, and will prevent a lot of difficulties.

Also, I hope you don't think I am criticising in any way, as I am not. I am glad to be able to contribute in some way.

Don't think you're criticising at all Dom, in fact I think you've been one of the biggest helps with this so far. I know I jumped down your throat in one of the first threads but that was after we got some serious abuse from some eejits on here.....Anyway here goes;

1. Only a player still involved in the hand or the dealer or TD can call clock.
This will be changed to state that any player at the table can call clock

2. If you are not seated when the 1st card of a hand is dealt to you, your cards are considered dead. This is what it says it is....If your bum is not in your seat when the first card of the hand (i.e. the first card dealt by the dealer) then your hand is dead)

3. If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. I thought this rule was pretty standard, if a player says 'raise' then the minimum they can put in the pot is double the previous bet. As regards not saying raise then the 'single oversized chip does not constitute a raise' rule will come into play

4. A hand has begun with the first riffle. If a dealer pushes right on a level jump then the first riffle is for the new dealer coming in and the dealer that is finishing

5.
I cannot see anywhere that deals with exposed cards (apart from rule 27), but if a card is exposed during the deal, will it be a redeal if on the first card (standard I believe), and give a player a card if on the second card. Where will the new card come from, 3rd bottom, or first burn card? Is a card only open to replacement if it is dealer error or off table or chips? i.e. not off the players hand. I am going to consult with Luke on this one but my thinking on this is that it should never be a redeal if only one card has been accidentally exposed be it the first or second card of a hand dealt. If more than one card is exposed then it should be a redeal......In the event of a redeal it will the the burn card (top card) that will be replaced by the exposed card.......If an exposed card is due to player error it will not be replaced, dealer error only so pay attention players and don't get in the way of a deal

carfax · 19-09-2007 05:58PM

D'ohh I hit submit reply there without thinking.....

6. Action out of turn may be binding.
Is there going to be clarification of this, or only on a case by case basis if a ruling is called for? Usually if a person bets out of turn, the bet stands, even if raised before them.
Don't know what you mean by clarification Dom, I will be announcing all of the most important rules at the start of the tournament......Bets should stand if out of turn.....Doesn't matter if the TD is called for or not.....

carfax · 19-09-2007 06:05PM

D'ohh I hit submit reply there without thinking.....

6. Action out of turn may be binding.
Is there going to be clarification of this, or only on a case by case basis if a ruling is called for? Usually if a person bets out of turn, the bet stands, even if raised before them.
Don't know what you mean by clarification Dom, I will be announcing all of the most important rules at the start of the tournament......Bets should stand if out of turn.....Doesn't matter if the TD is called for or not.....

7. A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his hand killed.
Is this definitely allowed then? Showing cards to get a reaction? What may the penalty be for this if the exposed cards are not dead? This will be changed again, I originally posted that because I wanted to bring our rules into line with Luke's but I think Luke has had a rethink on this for tournaments at least......if a player exposes a card on purpose in order to gain an advantage that players hand is dead, I personally think it should be allowed but most players do not so that is the rule

8. If cards are shown to one player they must be shown to all players. Also, if one card is shown the second card must be shown by the dealer if requested by any player at the table.
Are both of the above going to be used? I know the first one is standard, the second one more contentious.Both will be used....I hope to cut out all that nonsense of showing one card and the other

9. If any player sees another player’s cards, then he/she should immediately announce that they have seen them, the preferred course of action would be that you fold your cards and announce to the dealer that you have seen their cards.
I don't think this preffered course of action is a good thing to list. If I have AA there is no way I am folding, and having a 'suggested' course of action, only encourages situations where people don't declare they saw a hand. Announcing when they have seen it though is to be encouraged I think.I don't even remember that rule going in there tbh, I'll have a think about that one and will announce it on the day

10. You must not make change with other players with any denomination chips without the agreement of the dealer.
I presume this is not going to be rigourously enforced, as this is a very common occurance.The dealer should always at least watch over the change (i.e. one player is not allowed to pass chips under the table to another to make change) and they always do in my experience.....I will announce at the start that any player that wants change should ask the dealer but yeah it won't be rigorously enforced

Hope this helps......Anyone else with questions please ask now

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By the way Dom the other day when you told players to get in there and register early we had about 20 registrations in the space of a few hours.....Would you mind doing the same again now to see if it works.....Have a right old go at people for leaving things to the last minute and putting unnecessary added pressure on the organisers

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Cheers,
Stephen.

carfax · 19-09-2007 06:07PM

ShadowBJ21 wrote:

Have you updated the published rules after the 2007 TDA Summit?
I can't remember exactly but they changed a few things.

http://www.pokertda.com/rules.pdf

Shadow

I'm beginning to think you are 5starpool's alter ego Shadow.....Every time he posts you contribute

ShadowBJ21 · 19-09-2007 06:20PM

Really? Wasn't intentional!

Shadow

Goodluck2me · 19-09-2007 06:23PM

ShadowBJ21 wrote:

Have you updated the published rules after the 2007 TDA Summit?
I can't remember exactly but they changed a few things.

http://www.pokertda.com/rules.pdf

Shadow

Rule 36 - penalties may be enforced against excessive chatters??

5starpool · 19-09-2007 06:45PM

carfax wrote:

Don't think you're criticising at all Dom, in fact I think you've been one of the biggest helps with this so far. I know I jumped down your throat in one of the first threads but that was after we got some serious abuse from some eejits on here.....Anyway here goes;

meh, I'll let you off on that one

carfax wrote:

1. Only a player still involved in the hand or the dealer or TD can call clock.
This will be changed to state that any player at the table can call clock

Cool.

carfax wrote:

2. If you are not seated when the 1st card of a hand is dealt to you, your cards are considered dead. This is what it says it is....If your bum is not in your seat when the first card of the hand (i.e. the first card dealt by the dealer) then your hand is dead)

Technicall it says when 'your' first card, not the first card. Small detail I know, and probably not particularly important. I get the gist anyhow.

carfax wrote:

3. If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. I thought this rule was pretty standard, if a player says 'raise' then the minimum they can put in the pot is double the previous bet. As regards not saying raise then the 'single oversized chip does not constitute a raise' rule will come into play

It is not the double the amount bit I am querying, it is the 50% rule. If someone throws in 700 (more than 1 chip) at the 200/400 level without saying raise, is this a raise? It is by the 50% rule, but not in all Dublin clubs, Fitz and CHL's being examples of where it is not.

carfax wrote:

4. A hand has begun with the first riffle. If a dealer pushes right on a level jump then the first riffle is for the new dealer coming in and the dealer that is finishing

So this is for the start of the new hand? If a new dealer comes in with 10 seconds remaining, has to wait for the other dealer to get up, fixes themselves in the chair, and before they touch the cards, blinds up are announced, are the blinds up for that hand? I don't think they should be and is a pet hate of mine tbh.

carfax wrote:

5.
I cannot see anywhere that deals with exposed cards (apart from rule 27), but if a card is exposed during the deal, will it be a redeal if on the first card (standard I believe), and give a player a card if on the second card. Where will the new card come from, 3rd bottom, or first burn card? Is a card only open to replacement if it is dealer error or off table or chips? i.e. not off the players hand. I am going to consult with Luke on this one but my thinking on this is that it should never be a redeal if only one card has been accidentally exposed be it the first or second card of a hand dealt. If more than one card is exposed then it should be a redeal......In the event of a redeal it will the the burn card (top card) that will be replaced by the exposed card.......If an exposed card is due to player error it will not be replaced, dealer error only so pay attention players and don't get in the way of a deal

In most places, if on the first card it is a redeal, and I know Luke has that rule in his clubs. As long as the dealer is aware of the burn card rule and does it properly i.e. puts exposed card face up on top of the deck in order not to mistakenly burn an extra card, then fair enough, but personally I prefer the 3rd bottom card rule that Luke uses. The important thing though is that it is consistent.

carfax wrote:

6. Action out of turn may be binding.
Is there going to be clarification of this, or only on a case by case basis if a ruling is called for? Usually if a person bets out of turn, the bet stands, even if raised before them.
Don't know what you mean by clarification Dom, I will be announcing all of the most important rules at the start of the tournament......Bets should stand if out of turn.....Doesn't matter if the TD is called for or not.....

The word 'may' is very subjective. Rule 30 currently states "Verbal declarations in turn are binding. Action out of turn may be binding." This means that you may take back a bet out of turn in some circumstances, and I don't think an inconsistent wording should be used.

carfax wrote:

7. A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his hand killed.
Is this definitely allowed then? Showing cards to get a reaction? What may the penalty be for this if the exposed cards are not dead? This will be changed again, I originally posted that because I wanted to bring our rules into line with Luke's but I think Luke has had a rethink on this for tournaments at least......if a player exposes a card on purpose in order to gain an advantage that players hand is dead, I personally think it should be allowed but most players do not so that is the rule

Cool.

carfax wrote:

8. If cards are shown to one player they must be shown to all players. Also, if one card is shown the second card must be shown by the dealer if requested by any player at the table.
Are both of the above going to be used? I know the first one is standard, the second one more contentious.Both will be used....I hope to cut out all that nonsense of showing one card and the other

Cool.

carfax wrote:

9. If any player sees another player’s cards, then he/she should immediately announce that they have seen them, the preferred course of action would be that you fold your cards and announce to the dealer that you have seen their cards.
I don't think this preffered course of action is a good thing to list. If I have AA there is no way I am folding, and having a 'suggested' course of action, only encourages situations where people don't declare they saw a hand. Announcing when they have seen it though is to be encouraged I think.I don't even remember that rule going in there tbh, I'll have a think about that one and will announce it on the day

Cool.

carfax wrote:

10. You must not make change with other players with any denomination chips without the agreement of the dealer.
I presume this is not going to be rigourously enforced, as this is a very common occurance.The dealer should always at least watch over the change (i.e. one player is not allowed to pass chips under the table to another to make change) and they always do in my experience.....I will announce at the start that any player that wants change should ask the dealer but yeah it won't be rigorously enforced

Cool.

Cheers for that Steve.

To everyone else, get registering, or Steve will send the Clamper after you, and you don't want to wake to see that beard looking at you!!!!!!!

Goodluck2me · 19-09-2007 07:13PM

5starpool wrote:

It is not the double the amount bit I am querying, it is the 50% rule. If someone throws in 700 (more than 1 chip) at the 200/400 level without saying raise, is this a raise? It is by the 50% rule, but not in all Dublin clubs, Fitz and CHL's being examples of where it is not.

So this is for the start of the new hand? If a new dealer comes in with 10 seconds remaining, has to wait for the other dealer to get up, fixes themselves in the chair, and before they touch the cards, blinds up are announced, are the blinds up for that hand? I don't think they should be and is a pet hate of mine tbh.

the first rule, CHL is an example of where it is used. If i seen someone put out a 500 chip and 2 100 chips then id enforce the raise.

the second, i think this is a good rule if the dealer being pushed is paying attention to the clock.

DeVore · 19-09-2007 07:37PM

A good dealer wont stand up without having washed the deck and riffled it at the corners and THEN stands up, claps and shows their hands (to prove they arent nicking anything, something of a tradition) and then switches. The hand has already started at the riffle so you arent really affected by the switch over.

DeV.

Shortstack · 19-09-2007 07:43PM

Allowing anyone at the table to call the clock is bad IMO. It should only be players left in the hand, dealer or TD.

carfax · 19-09-2007 07:47PM

goodluck2me wrote:

the first rule, CHL is an example of where it is used. If i seen someone put out a 500 chip and 2 100 chips then id enforce the raise.

This is the rule....i.e. more than one chip has been put in the pot and it was 50% or more of the previous bet so therefore the player will be held to a raise.

carfax · 19-09-2007 07:49PM

DeVore wrote:

A good dealer wont stand up without having washed the deck and riffled it at the corners and THEN stands up, claps and shows their hands (to prove they arent nicking anything, something of a tradition) and then switches. The hand has already started at the riffle so you arent really affected by the switch over.

DeV.

I'm going to consult with Luke on all the points raised here but to me the hand has not started until the new dealer has done the first riffle.

Its tough on the players at the table but once its consistent its not unfair. I want to make sure that we keep as many of the rules as possible in line with as many of the clubs around Ireland as possible.....I really wish every club would just follow Luke's guidelines/rules because imo they are always by far the fairest and most practical.

DeVore · 19-09-2007 07:52PM

I disagree, if you are shortstacked and someone is taking an age over their call and their opponent doesnt want to hassle them, it really affects your position and it should be allowed, but it should be seldom used ideally...

DeV.

carfax · 19-09-2007 07:53PM

5starpool wrote:

Technicall it says when 'your' first card, not the first card. Small detail I know, and probably not particularly important. I get the gist anyhow.

Oh yes I see you are right. You are a very technically gifted person.

The rule will be bum/foot/body part touching the chair when the first card of the deal is dealt or your hand is dead. I will be announcing it at the start of the tournament.

It will be particularly relevant at the start of the tournament because there might be a bit of a hullabaloo (journalists interviewing players whilst playing themselves and a few spectators etc) around so everyone will have to be aware that they have to stay in their seats if they want to play a hand.

carfax · 19-09-2007 07:56PM

DeVore wrote:

I disagree, if you are shortstacked and someone is taking an age over their call and their opponent doesnt want to hassle them, it really affects your position and it should be allowed, but it should be seldom used ideally...

DeV.

I have to agree with you here DeV.....

I really don't mind when a player has a genuine decision to make and I often take a long time to make a call/fold/raise myself but some players take an age to make a nothing decision because they saw it on Eurosport and think its part of the game, it can be head melting esp when shortstacked.

Shortstack · 19-09-2007 08:49PM

carfax wrote:

I have to agree with you here DeV.....

I really don't mind when a player has a genuine decision to make and I often take a long time to make a call/fold/raise myself but some players take an age to make a nothing decision because they saw it on Eurosport and think its part of the game, it can be head melting esp when shortstacked.

It is a rule that gets abused far too often. I understand some people constantly take a long time and if they are then the dealer or TD should step in.

I see it far too often that a player that does not usually take a long time incorrectly has clock called by an impatient opponent (who is usually not shortstacked).

From personal experience I am usually a very quick player when making decisions, certainly quicker than most. A dwell for me is 10 secs or so. At a recent final table I was considering a call for most of my stack and a big chip lead. It was a very difficult call to make and somebody not in the hand called clock on me. It had never happened to me before and I rushed my decision and made the pecentage fold instead of following through and making a read based call that needed more than one previous hand played back through my head to make.

Dom is also correct about the dealer, either the riffle by the outgoing dealer is the start of the hand or the dealers are told not to take over at a point that could affect the blinds going up.

Rather than going by Luke's rules (which are usually good) I think all tournament organisers and clubs should take up unaltered TDA rules as it will be easy for everyone to follow, there are no bruised ego's and updates are easily implemented.

carfax · 19-09-2007 09:25PM

Shortstack wrote:

It is a rule that gets abused far too often. I understand some people constantly take a long time and if they are then the dealer or TD should step in.

I see it far too often that a player that does not usually take a long time incorrectly has clock called by an impatient opponent (who is usually not shortstacked).

From personal experience I am usually a very quick player when making decisions, certainly quicker than most. A dwell for me is 10 secs or so. At a recent final table I was considering a call for most of my stack and a big chip lead. It was a very difficult call to make and somebody not in the hand called clock on me. It had never happened to me before and I rushed my decision and made the pecentage fold instead of following through and making a read based call that needed more than one previous hand played back through my head to make.

Dom is also correct about the dealer, either the riffle by the outgoing dealer is the start of the hand or the dealers are told not to take over at a point that could affect the blinds going up.

Rather than going by Luke's rules (which are usually good) I think all tournament organisers and clubs should take up unaltered TDA rules as it will be easy for everyone to follow, there are no bruised ego's and updates are easily implemented.

You have a point with both Mike but if a reasonable amount of time (at least 3 mins per decision) has not passed then nobody has the right to call clock.

Good point about the outgoing dealer. I just hadn't thought it through and of course that is the rule (its been a while since I've directed a big tournament).

I definitely think that one set of rules should be followed for Ireland and that these should not necessarily be the unaltered texts sent out by the TDA. Some rules concerning the likes of spech play, for example would be viewed very differently here than in the States.....Anyway thread way off topic now maybe we should open a new thread......If players voted here on boards for a set in stone rule book (i.e. three different TD's put forward their opinions on the TDA text) then I think 99% of clubs and organisers in Ireland would adhere to them.

cooker3 · 20-09-2007 04:44AM

carfax wrote:

You have a point with both Mike but if a reasonable amount of time (at least 3 mins per decision) has not passed then nobody has the right to call clock.

So if someone calls clock after a minute then I could just say no not enough time has elapsed?

valor · 20-09-2007 01:05PM

Just registered for this bad boy

carfax · 20-09-2007 02:37PM

cooker3 wrote:

So if someone calls clock after a minute then I could just say no not enough time has elapsed?

Of course.....This is standard. If I'm playing and someone calls clock on me after one minute I will eat them like I would a little baby.

When are you back from the States?

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