International Poker Open - Final Thread

carfax

333 paid in full right now.....Keep the registrations going guys.

We realise that we are asking a lot of players to register in advance and online but this is the only way we can offer this kind of value.

Also; if we make this work then and Mermaid get good value for their sponsorship of this event then other websites will probably follow suit and this kind of value will be available throughout the year and close to home.

30th September is the deadline for registration.

F@ces

Probably a silly question carfax, but just wondering do you know what the provisions for parking will be like at the RDS? Will most likely drive there if possible.

30something

344 registered

carfax

F@ces wrote:

Probably a silly question carfax, but just wondering do you know what the provisions for parking will be like at the RDS? Will most likely drive there if possible.

The clamper will know more than I but lots of parking available. Rate is €5 per day but we are trying our best to swing something for players so ya never know we might even get it for free (don't quote me on that though).

Jesus Wept

carfax wrote:

The clamper will know more than I but lots of parking available. Rate is €5 per day but we are trying our best to swing something for players so ya never know we might even get it for free (don't quote me on that though).

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newbie2

Hey bro,
Where are the tourney rules posted ? I can't find then any where?

OPEN ENDED

carfax

newbie2 wrote:

Hey bro,
Where are the tourney rules posted ? I can't find then any where?

OPEN ENDED

This is the draft as it stands right now (it may be altered before the day);



1 Floor People
Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process. Unusual circumstances can, on occasion, dictate that the technical interpretation of the rules be ignored in the interest of fairness. The floor-person’s decision is final.

2 Chip-Race
When it is time to colour-up chips, they will be raced off with a maximum of one chip going to any player. The chip race will always start in the No.1 seat. A player cannot be raced out of a tournament. In the event that a player has only one chip left, the regular race procedure will take place. If that player loses the race, he will be given one chip of the smallest denomination still in play.

3 Odd chips
Odd chip(s) will go to the high hand. In flop games, when there are two or more high hands or two or more low hands, the odd chip(s) will go to the left of the button. In stud-type games, the odd chip will go to the high card by suit. There will be an exception to this rule: An attempt will be made in identical hand situations to split the pot as evenly as possible: Example – a wheel in Omaha/8.

4 Side pots
Each side pot will be split as a separate pot. They will not be mixed together before they are split.




5 Calling for clock procedures
Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for (by any player at the table or TD), a player will be given one minute to make a decision. If action has not been taken by the time the minute is over, there will be a 10-second countdown. If a player has not acted on his hand by the time the countdown is over, the hand will be dead. Continuous or deliberate slow play by any player will be dealt with by the TD on a case by case basis, in the interest of fair play). The TD also reserves the right to play “hand for hand” at all tables in certain circumstances.

6 Dead Button
Tournament play will use a dead button.

7 Penalties
A penalty MAY be invoked if a player exposes any card with action pending, if a card(s) goes off the table, if soft-play occurs, or similar incidents take place. Penalties WILL be invoked in cases of abuse, disruptive behaviour, or similar incidents.

8 At seat
A player must be at their seat by the time the first card of a deal is given to the small blind in order to have his hand live, regardless of position or blinds. Players must be at the table and involved in the hand in order to call time.

9 Face up
All cards will be turned face up once a player is all in and all action is complete.

10 50%
If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet, he will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

11 Call
In limit games, an oversized chip will be constituted to be a call if the player does not announce a raise. In no-limit, an oversized chip before the flop is a call; after the flop, an oversized chip by the initial bettor put in the pot will constitute the size of the bet. In pot-limit and no-limit, if a player states raise and throws in an oversized chip, the raise will be the maximum amount allowable up to the size of that chip.



12 One player
The one-player-to-a-hand rule will be enforced. You must not declare your hand or part of your hand while action is still taking place in that hand.

13 Random Seats
Tournament and satellite seats will be randomly assigned.

14 English/Irish Only
The English/Irish only rule will be enforced in Ireland during the play of hands. In the interest of fairness and etiquette, if there are foreign nationals playing or dealing at any particular table, it is requested that only English will be spoken at that table.

15 Electric Devices
A player who wants to use a cellular phone/lap-top must step away from the table. If a player uses a cellular phone/lap-top that player’s hand is automatically dead. The management may request you to remove all transmission or receiving devices from your person. If your mobile phone rings while you are in a hand and you decide to answer it for any reason, your cards are considered dead.

16 Foreign chips
No foreign chips on the table except for a maximum of one card protector.

17 Deck changes
Deck changes will be on the dealer push or limit changes or as prescribed by the house. Players may not ask for deck changes unless a card is damaged or marked.

18 New limits
When time has elapsed in a round and a new round is announced, the new limits apply to the next hand. A hand has begun with the first riffle.

19 Behind
A player may not miss a hand. If a player announces the intent to re-buy before the first card is dealt, that player is playing behind and is obligated to make the re-buy.

20 Highest Chips Visible
Players must keep their highest denomination chips visible (to the front of their stack) at all times.

21 Declarations
Verbal declarations as to the content of a player’s hand are not binding; however at management’s discretion, any player deliberately miscalling his hand may be penalized.

22 Rabbit hunting
No rabbit hunting is allowed. It is also forbidden to touch any dead cards; once they are mucked they are considered dead.

23 Dodging Blind
A player who intentionally dodges his blind(s) when moving from a broken table will forfeit the blind(s) and/or incur a penalty. The money will be put into the next pot and will be considered dead money.

24 Chips Visible
All chips must be visibly displayed at all times. Players may not have tournament chips in their pockets at any time. A player who has chips in his pocket will forfeit the chips. The forfeited chips will be taken out of play from the tournament. If you are requested to move to another table and you have so many chips that you cannot manage them in your hands, you should ask for assistance or a rack.

25 Moving Players
Moving players: In flop games, players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position.

26 Raises
In limit events; there will be a limit to raises, even when heads-up. (The limit will be the house limit.) Once the tournament becomes head-up the rule does not apply. All raises must be at least double the last bet made.

27 Misdeal
In stud-type games, if one card is exposed due to dealer error, it is not a misdeal. If two cards are exposed it is a misdeal.

28 Unprotected Hand
If a dealer kills an unprotected hand, the player will have no redress and will not be entitled to his money back. An exception would be if a player raised and his raise had not been called yet, he would be entitled to receive his raise back.

29 Killing Winning Hand
Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was turned face up and was obviously the winning hand.

30 Verbal declarations
Verbal declarations in turn are binding. Action out of turn may be binding.

31 Management
Management reserves the right to cancel or alter any event at its sole discretion in the best interest of the casino or its players.

32 Broken Table
Players going from a broken table to fill in seats assume the rights and responsibilities of the position. They can get the big blind, the small blind, or the button. The only place they cannot get a hand is between the small blind and the button. A player moved to balance tables will take the worst position. A dead button situation may occur.

33 Penalties
Penalties available for use by the TD are verbal warnings, 10, 20, 30, and 40 (and so on) minutes away from the table and may be used with discretion. These may be utilized up to and including disqualification. A player who is disqualified shall have his chips removed from play.

34 No discussion
Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or a hand possibility is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.

35 Expose
A player that purposely exposes one or more cards will have their hand declared dead and may incur a penalty.
36 One motion
In NL or PL, when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one additional motion unless he states the amount. No string bets allowed.

37 Verbal disclosing contents
Verbally disclosing the contents of your hand or advising a player how to play a hand may result in a penalty.

38 Less than full raise
In no-limit and pot limit, less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who already has acted.

39 Alcohol
No alcohol is allowed at the table. It remains the discretion of the TD to decide whether or not a player may continue play in the event that the TD decides that the player is inebriated to the point that they are detrimental to the overall good of the event. In such cases the TD’s decision is final and the person may be removed from the tournament without recompense.

40 Show One - Show All
If cards are shown to one player they must be shown to all players. Also, if one card is shown the second card must be shown by the dealer if requested by any player at the table.
41 Rulings
Any player at any time may call for a ruling by the TD if he/she is unclear about any rule or situation under way, the dealer will automatically freeze the game until the decision / ruling is made. Rulings may also be made after an event occurs up until action has taken place, but in this circumstance, any decision made by the dealer will most likely be upheld.
42 Etiquette & Behaviour
At all times, all players should act in a moral and decent fashion, abuse of dealers, floor staff, or other players, whether verbal or physical, will not be tolerated by the TD and these people could face a permanent ban from all Poker Ireland tournaments and events. It is seen as bad etiquette to slow roll other players and this should be avoided as it can cause upset. If any player sees another player’s cards, then he/she should immediately announce that they have seen them, the preferred course of action would be that you fold your cards and announce to the dealer that you have seen their cards.




43 Chips
Players are obliged to take care of their own chips while seated at the table, the TD will be responsible for your chips during breaks or at times when you are not permitted to remain seated. At no time should you touch another player’s chips for any reason. Persons found in breach of this regulation will be penalised, up to and including forfeiting the entry fees, any presumed winnings and being banned from all future Poker Ireland events.

44 Cheating
It is presumed that all players will not attempt to cheat. Any player caught cheating, stealing chips, colluding, etc will be penalised and banned from all future Poker Ireland events, they will also have all chips and possible winnings revoked with immediate effect.

45 Other Tables
At no time should a player comment on a hand at another table, during play. If you see a hand at another table, you should wait until the hand is over then let that player know that he/she is exposing their cards.

46 The Pot & Making / Taking Change from other players
At no time is a player permitted to touch the pot, the dealer is the only person permitted to touch chips in a pot or award the pot to a player. You are not permitted to take the pot until it is awarded to you. You must not make change with other players with any denomination chips without the agreement of the dealer.
These rules are not exhaustive and may be altered -changed or added to, at the discretion of the management.

newbie2

Thanks.
So no cans of cider or hands free kits allowed then?

C4Queen

Another Satellite on Tonight:

20:00

hep hep....

anna

Flushdraw

40 Show One - Show All
If cards are shown to one player they must be shown to all players. Also, if one card is shown the second card must be shown by the dealer if requested by any player at the table.

I hope this is enforced. Theres so many interpetations of the show one show all rule and it generally just applies to showing one person your cards.

44 Cheating
It is presumed that all players will not attempt to cheat. Any player caught cheating, stealing chips, colluding, etc will be penalised and banned from all future Poker Ireland events, they will also have all chips and possible winnings revoked with immediate effect

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As this is also running as a team event, surely some aspects of colluding are allowed? If i had 3 players down to the final table, i would not expect to be penalised for colluding/softplay?? Not saying that i would now.....

F@ces

carfax wrote:

The clamper will know more than I but lots of parking available. Rate is €5 per day but we are trying our best to swing something for players so ya never know we might even get it for free (don't quote me on that though).

Thanks for the reply mate, appreciated.

My dead money's in the pot It's on like donkey kong ....

The_Chopper

If anyone needs a member for a team let me know ASAP

Moneymaker

Flushdraw wrote:

I hope this is enforced. Theres so many interpetations of the show one show all rule and it generally just applies to showing one person your cards.

Yes, we really want to see the psycology taken out of the game don't we. :rolleyes:

I personally think 'Show one card, show them both' is a ridicolous rule.

Flushdraw

Moneymaker wrote:

Yes, we really want to see the psycology taken out of the game don't we. :rolleyes:

I personally think 'Show one card, show them both' is a ridicolous rule.

Really?? If the board is AxJx3x and someone bets and i fold. I dont mind them showing me only an A or a J. I'd never ask to see the other card but its the retards that show a 7 or something that annoys me. If you're bluffing show the 2 cards, if you're going to show a 7, just show the Ace aswel you moron because i know you're not bluffing

Moneymaker

All part of the head games though, I don't think there's a problem with only showing one card and messing with people's heads. I personally never show(unless I have the goods, and to enhance my nitty reputation) but I think mind games are a part of the game and this rule takes away from it.

carfax

Over the 350 mark now......KEEP THE REGISTRATIONS GOING

Only 6 days left to get your name down.

Flushdraw

Moneymaker wrote:

All part of the head games though, I don't think there's a problem with only showing one card and messing with people's heads. I personally never show(unless I have the goods, and to enhance my nitty reputation) but I think mind games are a part of the game and this rule takes away from it.

Theres no mind games involved in showing 1 non-relevant card in most situations. It just makes you look like an idiot that cant play the game because its usually so obvious you have top pair or similar to go along with it.

If someone raises and just shows an ace, they dont need to show me the 4, 5 or 6 with it. Just show both the cards but i'd prefer to see no cards than one so i'd ask to see the 2nd card every time if they insist on showing only one.

CelticPhantom

Whilst most tourney players probably know these rules off by heart, some of us may not be as au fait with some of them. Could Stephen (or anyone else) please clarify the following queries please?

carfax wrote:

6 Dead Button
Tournament play will use a dead button.

Could you expand on what a "dead button" is please?

carfax wrote:

25 Moving Players
Moving players: In flop games, players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position.

What is the worst position? On the big blind? UTG?

carfax wrote:

26 Raises
In limit events; there will be a limit to raises, even when heads-up. (The limit will be the house limit.) Once the tournament becomes head-up the rule does not apply. All raises must be at least double the last bet made.

So player A bets €50, and player B raises to €100 (total) - player C wants to raise. Is the minimum he can raise to €150 (a raise of €50 - matching the last raise), or €200 (a raise of €100 - matching the last bet)?

carfax wrote:

32 Broken Table
Players going from a broken table to fill in seats assume the rights and responsibilities of the position. They can get the big blind, the small blind, or the button. The only place they cannot get a hand is between the small blind and the button. A player moved to balance tables will take the worst position. A dead button situation may occur.

If the only place available on the new table is between the button and the blinds does the player moving into that spot have to wait for the button to pass him before he can play?

Thanks for helping an ignoramus like myself.;)

carfax

CelticPhantom wrote:

Whilst most tourney players probably know these rules off by heart, some of us may not be as au fait with some of them. Could Stephen (or anyone else) please clarify the following queries please?


Could you expand on what a "dead button" is please?

What is the worst position? On the big blind? UTG?

So player A bets €50, and player B raises to €100 (total) - player C wants to raise. Is the minimum he can raise to €150 (a raise of €50 - matching the last raise), or €200 (a raise of €100 - matching the last bet)?

If the only place available on the new table is between the button and the blinds does the player moving into that spot have to wait for the button to pass him before he can play?

Thanks for helping an ignoramus like myself.;)

No prob at all mate, I will clarify for you later if thats ok.

The_Chopper

Flushdraw wrote:

Theres no mind games involved in showing 1 non-relevant card in most situations. It just makes you look like an idiot that cant play the game because its usually so obvious you have top pair or similar to go along with it.

If someone raises and just shows an ace, they dont need to show me the 4, 5 or 6 with it. Just show both the cards but i'd prefer to see no cards than one so i'd ask to see the 2nd card every time if they insist on showing only one.

I actually agree that you should be able to show just one card. It's a way of getting your opponent on tilt - poker is after all psychological warfare. There is a very interesting conversation between Daniel Negraeu (however you spell it) and Howard Lederer on a recent episode of poker after dark.

In saying all that everytime some guy shows me an irrelvant card after I fold I think he's a moron and want to 'kill' him

Mellor

CelticPhantom wrote:

Could you expand on what a "dead button" is please?

What is the worst position? On the big blind? UTG?
The button is the best position, then the CO through UTG and then the blinds are the worst.

So player A bets €50, and player B raises to €100 (total) - player C wants to raise. Is the minimum he can raise to €150 (a raise of €50 - matching the last raise), or €200 (a raise of €100 - matching the last bet)?
€200 total, the raise matches the last bet.

If the only place available on the new table is between the button and the blinds does the player moving into that spot have to wait for the button to pass him before he can play?

If that is the only seat available due to there being a free seat between the SB and BB in the last hand, then you take that seat and wait until the button pases. You do play a hand as the dealer. Your first hand is played when the player to your left has the button

I'm going on the assumptin that stephen is keeping the rules standard on us.

How many registered now?

5starpool

Flushdraw wrote:

As this is also running as a team event, surely some aspects of colluding are allowed? If i had 3 players down to the final table, i would not expect to be penalised for colluding/softplay?? Not saying that i would now.....

If you have 3 players at the FT, chances are that you will have the event won anyways, although I suppose freak occurances do happen such as at the PokerEvents team event where Tyrone had 3 players at the FT, but due to very early exits from others they didn't win. There were 10 to a team then though so it is less likely to happen in this event.

Even if the above was true, I would not expect softplaying to happen tbh, and would be a bit annoyed if there was any form of it happening. The fact that team players will be kept apart for as long as possible should mostly mean that this is irrelevant though I reckon.

Ace2007

Hey just wondering how exactly is the draw for seat going to be done???
For example it can't be just random, cause then in theory - one team be all at the same table...So who is decided who sits where and when will this be decided?

Also - from tournament that i've play in Fitz/CHL, when breaking a table - they do some weird format - where by if you were on the button - then you sit in a pacific seat(i.e furtherest from the blind,or whatever, etc), therefore when yous are going to break them, how will it be done, to prevent players ending up on the same table...

Ace2007

O and just one last thing - is the prize pool in dollars or Euros???

The Clamper

why are u asking about the prize pool ?

do you know someone who might be cashing ?

sorry, i just couldnt resist it

we will calculate the prizes back into euro and then payout will be from the site in dollars, or some such arrangement

we always wanted to have everything in euros and mermaid were told that the whole network was moving to euros so thats what and why it was advertised in euros

however, it may be more transparent to pay in dollars, since thats what is on the site
i am sure they will convert to euro for payout tho

oh yeah, the rules, yes, there will be rules

fully explained for anyone who cares to listen on the day

Flipper

have you a list of hotels stephen? I need a triple room for team Power

The Clamper

tell you what flipper

i am playing the sat in a minue
i will have a look for u later and see what i can get u

whats the budget like for it
pm me if u like to keep confidential, i know how u guys like to live it up in expencive hotels

clamper

CoolBoardr

Help! Mermaid won't let me deposit via my BoI Mastercard. "WebDollar is currently unable to process your transaction."

I'd do it through Neteller but they don't accept MC.

PM for my username if you can help.

Doc Farrell

CoolBoardr wrote:

Help! Mermaid won't let me deposit via my BoI Mastercard. "WebDollar is currently unable to process your transaction."

I'd do it through Neteller but they don't accept MC.

PM for my username if you can help.

try giving it an hour or two. it refused my card a couple of times too

carfax

CoolBoardr wrote:

Help! Mermaid won't let me deposit via my BoI Mastercard. "WebDollar is currently unable to process your transaction."

I'd do it through Neteller but they don't accept MC.

PM for my username if you can help.

PM on the way to you now mate. Don't worry this has happened to a couple of players with BOI Masxtercard and the next time they tried their cards it worked.