BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

p_haugh · 19-09-2025 12:53PM

I see the 24 is getting the same early start as the 19 to account for people wanting to get to the airport which is good to see, first departure to the airport is at 3:30am.

BusGuy · 19-09-2025 12:56PM

Who here thinks the 80 could be a better option for the S4?

LXFlyer · 19-09-2025 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830814#Comment_123830814

An 03:00 outbound and a later start/finish inbound would make more sense to facilitate staff.

But, baby steps and all that - it’s a major step in the right direction.

p_haugh · 19-09-2025 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830881#Comment_123830881

May not be amazing for staff right now but for regular customers it should get them to the airport in time for the first morning departures. Would be a bit tight depending on type of flight though. The 19 currently gets to Dublin Airport for 4:16am so I would assume the 24 would be a bit closer to 4:30am. A 3:00amm departure would allow for a bit more breathing room for customers aiming for those early flights.

(Mentioned countless times on here before, but I wish Dublin Bus switched over to the full timetable pdfs on their website rather than first departure times only)

john boye · 19-09-2025 01:48PM

That terminus up in Limekiln is going to be pretty snug with the 15A, 150 and the F3 all using it.

I feel like the F2 timetable from Rossmore is missing a departure between 415 and 535.

rx8 · 19-09-2025 02:13PM

I just had a look at the route video of the 82 from Irishtown to Kiltipper, on the db sharepoint app.....My god, it looks like it was made up as it went along.... going to need the best part of 90 minutes to drive that at peak times,maybe even more...

Stillnotworking · 19-09-2025 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830337#Comment_123830337

As ever thanks for the update LXflyer. Was curious as to when it would be published. Much appreciated.

TonyK45 · 19-09-2025 02:14PM

What's really strange to me is that the 15A is continuing, without any timetable revision. Surely this is duplication of the F2, and with the 150 being re-routed to Greenhill College - isn't this abit of over-kill. Other areas of the City do not have this level of duplicated services - and some - could probably do with the extra resources that are being duplicated here - and yes I know the 15A goes through Rathgar and Rathines and is a direct service - but other areas of the City have been left without lots of direct services as a result of Bus Connects. Take for example the loss of the 9 direct service on the north-side along Glassnevin Avenue to Mobhi Road, customers are now only left with the N4 and a connection. Yet when the 'A' Spine is introduced the 15A will stay, and become the 81!

LXFlyer · 19-09-2025 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831130#Comment_123831130

One of the biggest objections to the original plan was the removal of the direct service between Limekiln and Rathmines. Hence the 15a remains and that will become the 81 when the A Spine happens.

Remember that this is phased - the 150 is a temporary change and will go when the D-Spine happens next year. Personally I’d have terminated it at the current 83 terminus for the interim period.

Surely the N4 & E1/E2 at every 12 mins most of the day (a bit more than “only left with”) would cater for your example and should provide the necessary capacity?

LXFlyer · 19-09-2025 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831125#Comment_123831125

You do need to look at it from the perspective of the new network though - people’s journey patterns will likely change with the new spines and radials as they launch - the 82 is probably going to become more like how the 74 has developed as a route, with people using it for multiple different shorter journeys than end to end - the F1 would be the faster option from Aylesbury.

VG31 · 19-09-2025 02:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830881#Comment_123830881

I agree and I said the same thing when the 19 launched. 03:30 is fine for all but the earliest few flights but it's too late for airport staff. A lot of shifts start at 04:00.

I think the 03:00, 03:30 and 04:00 departures from the airport aren't really that necessary. Very little shifts end that late and the earliest transatlantic arrival is at about 04:30.

It would make much more sense to have an 03:00 to the airport and another bus or two after 23:30 from the airport. Or even just make them both 24 hour routes, they're close enough as it is.

VG31 · 19-09-2025 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831009#Comment_123831009

The 19 stop at the airport, which the 24 will presumably also use, won't have much space either. There's usually two 19s parked there since they have long layovers at the airport.

VG31 · 19-09-2025 03:31PM

The L89 is missing the link for the timetable but it's listed in the general timetables section

https://www.dublinbus.ie/getmedia/db669f48-3494-4f07-843d-bcbe3eb1fa01/L89-Timetable.pdf

p_haugh · 19-09-2025 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831387#Comment_123831387

Sidenote, but the L89 is quite the improvement for those living in Toberburr. They now have an hourly service throughout the day, compared to only 5 services a day in each direction on the 40b! Yes, they lose the direct connection to the city centre, but the free interchange to the F-spine or Luas will more than make up for it I would imagine.

dublinman1990 · 19-09-2025 03:47PM

When I clicked on the link to the F1 timetable on the Dublin Bus F-Spine page through the Google Search app on my phone; the F1 timetable from IKEA to Tallaght has missing departure time data for Monday to Fridays & Sundays/Bank Holidays. All of the departure times for the route in the opposite direction are printed on it as normal.

Fizzy Duck · 19-09-2025 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831436#Comment_123831436

Usually its a device issue, you may need to update your phone or browser. No issue on my device atm. But it has happened before.

dublinman1990 · 19-09-2025 03:57PM

^^^^^^^^

Thanks for your help. It was a device issue after all. I got the timetable data for the F1 route back to normal. I had to zoom out of the page a little bit to display the timetable as normal.

Daith · 19-09-2025 04:54PM

The L89 is fierce handy. Do wish it was more than hourly at peak times, especially as it's connecting to Rail and Luas now, but again it's great to see improvements.

Peregrine · 19-09-2025 07:42PM

I was hoping for an increase in the frequency of the 23 and 24 from the 20 mins proposed in 2020. Even just at peak times.

It'll be a noticeable drop from the 9 and 83 which are both every 10 mins at peak and 12 mins during the day.

Daith · 19-09-2025 08:02PM

I do wish the F3 was able to go down Wellmount Avenue to Cardiffsbridge Road and then back out. There's decent gap of housing in the middle of the F3 in Finglas that's not really served well in any case

john boye · 19-09-2025 09:31PM

Those F1 shorts to and from Harold’s Cross in the peaks are surprising. What's the logic behind not stopping/starting them in town? There's no easy way from Harristown or Jamestown to Harold's Cross in the afternoon.

DB must be confident they have everything in place for this spine if they have the details out a month in advance.

Fizzy Duck · 19-09-2025 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832129#Comment_123832129

Would it be better for the F2 to continue down Cardiffsbridge Road and Wellmount Road to the Finglas Road? This would prevent both running along Mellowes Road in opposite directions towards the city.

I realise it wont change now but I think that would've been a better option.

Daith · 19-09-2025 10:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832603#Comment_123832603

That's an interesting idea. Would have covered more areas as a 24 hour route too

p_haugh · 19-09-2025 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832394#Comment_123832394

Similar for the short E1s from Parnell Square to Ballywaltrim that are operated by Jamestown - once they get to Ballywaltrim they then go OOS all the way around on the M50 to get back to Jamestown

john boye · 19-09-2025 11:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832669#Comment_123832669

Yeah but at least they've the M50 for those. There's no easy way to Harold’s Cross from there.

mikeybhoy · 20-09-2025 01:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832394#Comment_123832394

Will there be time trials to determine what drivers get marked in on the F1? Sorry couldn't resist 🤣

DrivingSouth · 20-09-2025 01:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831222#Comment_123831222

Regarding the 150 terminating where the 83 terminates. I was going to say the reason not to us because the 150 on the F2 cross over at Wellington Road stop 1111 and therefore it needs to go past the 83 term to maintain that connection. But on mature thought, post D spine, the 150 will be replaced with the 71 which will break the connection anyway and passengers will need to swap to the 82 to continue the journey, which they could start doing now as the 82 is part of the F spine. So I don't know.

PlatformNine · 20-09-2025 02:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123831294#Comment_123831294

I think phase 7 will really start to put pressure onto the airport to progress the GTC upgrade, and the A-spine phase might just be too much for it. Before the 19 was launched I believe there were only 14bph at the airport: 16, 33A, 41, and 102. Now its 17bph, and about to be 20bph with the launch of the 24.

Using the frequency tables, after the A-spine phase there is not supposed to be more than 20bph at the airport as the A2, 19, 24, L81, L83, L85, and N8 are proposed to have the same 20bph combined frequency. But I think the NTA are more than likely going to want additional peak time services, and I would be surprised if at least a few weren't for the A2.

Daith · 20-09-2025 03:18PM

The F3 in Finglas still feels like an odd route. I know it's essentially the 40 route without the north part of Finglas, but having it go down McKelvey Avenue, then Finglas village and cover Finglas West and South seems like it's doing more of the heavy lifting compared to the F1 or F2.

I'm just nitpicking, it doesn't really impact me, but maybe the F1 could have covered McKelvey and Finglas Village and then onto the Finglas Road/N2 instead.

thomasj · 20-09-2025 03:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123834377#Comment_123834377

It seems to be going back to the old 40 and 40a that were running from Charlestown before they were merged into the one 40 route

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