BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

trellheim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123802238#Comment_123802238

This is what I cant understand . Surely you can go from one marked in to another if agreed with the union , or is that not what the drivers want

dublinman1990

A report on the journal.ie said today that the F-Spine changes will be given to passengers in the coming weeks.

AX636

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123802872#Comment_123802872

I'm on about the 73 route hence the half hourly service

bikeman1

There is no way the reduction in the 73 will be accepted by the public. There will be uproar. It is currently 5 buses per hour Mon-Fri, 4 Sat and 3 on Sunday during the day on the 123. This will slash the service by between 50% - 66% on its current set up.

On the Northside, the 73 serves through the core of the North Inner City along Ballybough and Summerhill, a very heavily populated, car light area, that really depends on this route. And if Go Ahead cancel one of the buses, there will be carnage. These are busy buses and will be completely full at rush hour.

cgcsb

They slashed the 46a northside frequency and the Ballyfermot services without a thought. Marino is a bit more gentrified so maybe it won't fly there but the NTA are definitely emboldened in the their hatred of the travelling public of late so they could well get away with it.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803055#Comment_123803055

And if Go Ahead cancel one of the buses, there will be carnage. These are busy buses and will be completely full at rush hour.

They'll likely give it their 100% (at the expense of other routes) for the first few weeks but after that there will definitely be hour gaps.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803389#Comment_123803389

The Ballyfermot services were not slashed.

The issue with the G-Spine was that the buses had nowhere near enough running time, which indeed was set by the NTA, and which then took several months for DB to resolve as it was launched at the same time as the worst point in the staffing crisis.

The combined daytime frequency of the G1/G2 and 60 is similar to that of the old 40 and 79.

Ballyfermot also now has the S4 at a much higher frequency than the 18 ever had.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123802238#Comment_123802238

Dublin Bus operates on the basis of collective pay and conditions agreements with the unions.

If that’s what was agreed when the current deal was struck, then that’s what is implemented until such time as a new agreement comes into effect.

Bear in mind that both sides will always have to compromise when these deals are being negotiated.

At the end of the day that’s an issue between an employer and its employees, and not really any of our business.

cgcsb

The old 40 became G1 and G2 and is only every half hour in peak times and the 79a become the 60 which is hourly, both drastic cuts for the Ballyfermot area.

DaBluBoi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803678#Comment_123803678

? In timetables they show that both G1 and G2 are roughly every 10-12 mins at peak, combined is 5-6 mins. Furthermore 79a was also partially replaced by G1, which is roughly comparable in frequency to former route

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803055#Comment_123803055

I'm only familiar with the southside part of the route, but I'm assuming they're basing the reduction on passenger numbers. For such a high frequency route, it never seems particularly busy. By the time a 123 gets to Suir Rd, you'll usually see two of them travelling together, one totally empty; the other barely half-full. It's probably the first time a route has gone to Go Ahead and not had any increase in frequency.

cgcsb

The time tables are not actually followed in the real world.

noelfirl

Ignore

BusGuy

Just got info about Phase 8 and phase 9 of BusConnects:

Thank you for contacting the NTA.
Phase 8 is the D-Spine. Planned for implementation in Q1/Q2 of 2026. (Timeframe is subject to funding, infrastructure and operator readiness)

The outgoing routes during this phase are: 13, 14, 15, 27, 27a, 27b, 27x, 32x, 42, 42d, 43, 51d, 51x, 53, 56a, 68, 68a, 68x, 69, 69x, 77a, 77x, 102, 104, 122, 130, 142, 150 and 151.
The Incoming routes are:D1, D2, D3, D4, 8, 10, 20, 21, 57, 58, 71, 72, 78, 97, L80, L81, X47, X55, X58, X77, X78.

Phase 9 is then the A-Spine. Planned for implementation in Q3/Q4 of 2026. (Timeframe is again subject to funding, infrastructure and operator readiness)

The outgoing routes during this phase are:1N, 14s, 15s, 15A, 15B, 15D, 16/D, 33/E, 41, 41b, 41C/D, 44N, 65, 65b, 33a, 33b, 33d, 33e, 33t, 33x, 41x and 196.
The Incoming routes are:A1, A2, A3, A4, 22, 80B/F, 81, 85, 44S, P18, P43, P44, X79, X83, X84, X85, N8, L82, L83, L85 and L44.

dublinman1990

What is the 44S route mentioned there in the changes for the A-Spine? Is that like the 44D between Dundrum Luas & O'Connell St or is it a route that shortens the 44 to between Mountjoy Sqaure to Enniskerry only?

There is another change noted for the 80 in the A-Spine as well.

It written in there as the 80B/F as per BusGuy's post. What does that do to the planned extension for the 80 from Rathmines to Balinteer; does that route get split into two routes now when going from LV under the A-Spine?

rx8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803924#Comment_123803924

It's the southside section of the route.

BusGuy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803924#Comment_123803924

All said above is the exact same I got in the email, so possibly we could see the 44 moved to Mountjoy, and possibly a different garage operating it, but I don't know, so I might reach out to NBRU.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803678#Comment_123803678

They are not - you are posting exaggerated nonsense. I’m beginning to think that you must be applying to become a tabloid journalist desperate for clicks based on this sort of post.

A quick look at bustimes historical data tells you that you are talking nonsense (yes remember those details that I’m fond of quoting - they don’t bear your post out).

The G1 and G2 between them replaced the 40 and 79.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803850#Comment_123803850

Funny no mention of the O. There was a rumour that the single Decker buses were defective and had to be returned. Not sure if that is the case but noticeably still no work at the signals around heuston to make the O possible. I wonder will the people of the NCR ever get an apology or a belated consultation on having their 46a service gutted without replacement for...however long it takes.

dfx-

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803055#Comment_123803055

It will put more pressure in the 13 and G spine too on Thomas St if it were the case.

As has been said to people in this thread many times, there's always going to be winners and losers from this sort of change and not every current option can be maintained.

And equally that we should all just be glad to have a bus.

DaBluBoi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804336#Comment_123804336

What doesn't make sense in this case is that the original frequency for 73 was every 10 mins at peak and every 15 otherwise, plus it's pretty much supposed to be a direct replacement for 123 barring routing it via quays and minor changes in south side. Reducing it to every 30 mins is simply illogical, in my eyes

tom1ie

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tom1ie

What’s replacing the 15B and the 15?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803850#Comment_123803850

DaBluBoi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804698#Comment_123804698

15b will mostly be replaced by 85 which will extend to The Square, tho instead of serving Rathgar and Rathmines from Terenure it will go up through Harold's Cross and Christchurch like current 49, and terminate at Parnell

15's north side will be replaced by D1/D3 when D Spine comes into operation, while its south side will become part of A1 when A Spine is launched

Arhanedus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804698#Comment_123804698

The 15 will be replaced by the A1 on the southside, while the 15B is mostly replaced by the 85, though it goes all the way out to Tallaght.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804133#Comment_123804133

Your "people of the NCR" thing is making me agree with the accusations of tabloidism here. You've done this to death.

bikeman1

Re: 123 / 73 Proposal.

Yes, there are winners and losers and then some staying roughly the same. However, the route from Philipsburg Ave, through Ballybough, Summerhill and onto Gardiner Street has NO other buses serving this corridor. The southside end of the route is different in that it shares its route with multiple routes at varying sections.

Someone mentioned gentrified Marino. I'm thinking of Marino and Griffith Ave (huge Griffith Wood apartments now occupied) but mainly the strong working class area through the North Inner City. This is an area of the city I know well. Millions have been pumped into it. Multiple task forces. If this part of the city is to go down to an hourly bus service, the people will feel abandoned. Yes some can make the long walk to other main spines, but you may as well walk into town at that stage.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805045#Comment_123805045

How does the frequency of the 85 compare to the 15B?
If the 15B is going up through Harold’s x and Christchurch I’m guessing it goes nowhere near Camden street and Dame street?

jd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805331#Comment_123805331

From

https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/a3-frequency-tables-061020-fa.pdf

85 will be every 10-15 minutes Mon-Friday, less frequent on the weekend

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805350#Comment_123805350

Yeah the frequency looks to be similar to the current 15B so that’s ok.
Looks like I’ll have to change bus to get to Dame street which is a pain but acceptable.
Do you know what bus I get on (A spine?) to get to dame street and where the A spine interacts with the 85?
Also do we know when these changes are due to take place?