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SCEP Scheme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    So. Much for icbf reckoning tags will be sent out in February /march this year after so slow to send last year. Another case of holding the show up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    I think it was June/July when we got them last year. Given the weather this year it would of been ideal to tag over the last few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Yea they will wait till cattle are back out after being in over 6 months 🙄

    They wrote this on icbf this time last year and still no tags on time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Is it tag suppliers or icbf delay?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Don't know, but everything the dept of agri has touched lately is dragged on, so I blame them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    At least this will be the last year of delays 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Completed for a neighbour there 8 weeks ago. He still waiting on mullinahone, going to switch to the other crowd and see how long mine take, done calving now for a bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Word is out that the training for scep is online.

    It's for 3 1/2 hrs and can be done at your ease. Finally DAFM have done something to suit farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    Great idea, saves taking a days holiday off work for it. I can tip away at it in the background at work. But I see article on agriland saying their cutting out section of farming community by doing it online. Can't keep everyone happy I suppose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Logged into it there over tea with the kids and had 2 of the 7 modules done. It's very user friendly.

    An email address and the pin from DAFM letter is all that is needed. While you will never keep everyone happy, there is only 16k people taking part in Scep and they have already done bord bia. Moving with the times is needed. In industry the voice complaining about this would be told promptly, move with the times. It very hard to imagine how many farmers under 65 can't operate a smartphone or laptop, etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,268 ✭✭✭893bet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    The pin number is on the letter and is linked to your herd number. Letter can be view on agfood in the Scep section



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Cormac Tags landed 2 days after ordered. And have sent back to lab, weight us still waiting on tags from mullinahone. Some difference



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Fotish


    Well done on finding that letter, not easy too spot.

    Wouldn't open on the Ipad either ,had to go to the Laptop.

    Anyway , I have it now , handy to be able to do the training online alright !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Arrived here the day after over half of the required animals were turned out to rented ground with no crush. Ar$eholes. Could have been finished with it had they been even one day earlier.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭josephsoap


    I did my Geno tagging today I just spotted when tagging one of the calves that they are male.

    I have the calf in question registered as a heifer - will that affect the Geno tagging requirement in any way ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    I’m not certain but you’d think it would be ok. You could ring ICBF on Tuesday to check.



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Fotish


    As you know now, they have the Sire and the Dam filled in you when you Register a calf.

    They also have the sex of the calf filled in as well.

    It’s difficult to get anything incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    You select the Dam,Sire and gender when you initially register a calf.

    @josephsoap may not have signed up for the NGP - so the SCEP dna will now regularise the gender. The blue card will have to be returned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    Did you confirm your choices for tagging on ICBF as early as possible so the tags would be sent out sooner? Did you ring your tag supplier to tell them your situation, they will speed up sending out tags if you ring them and ask them. Did you ring to see if the tags were in the post before you let the cattle out?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Sucklers, and SCEP, are only a minor sideline here. Signed up for it as we already fulfill all the major conditions anyway. We don't have time to be trying to micromanage how other businesses run their business. They should be able to do their task rather than not having capacity in place so that only the ones that jump through the hoops of ringing them begging for preferential treatment get their tags at a reasonable time.

    It's May. Cattle have to go out as soon as they can be got out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    So you did nothing to help yourself, that’s ok, was just curious. Now you have an hour or two of hardship that a short phone call could have prevented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Strange response. Do you apply the same logic to everything? If you submit your BISS application online and do everything right but they are slow in paying out at the end of the year, would it be your own fault for "not helping yourself" by failing to ring up to give them a sob story to jump the queue? Not the fault of the system or the people who are supposed to process it?

    Your local dealer/mechanic says "drop it up anytime. It will only take a few hours" when you say you are going to bring a tractor up for a service. You leave it in on a Monday of a week you won't need it. You go up on Friday to pick it up and he says "We didn't do it yet. Ah sure you never rang up to explain your situation so you didn't help yourself".

    You might have the luxury of time to be arsing about with such matters, but not everyone does. Cattle have to go out when they can be got out. It's May. The number that were put out that would have been tagged (if the tags were available) is less than 2% of the registered animals. It would be beyond stupid to be holding up the show waiting for tags to arrive in the post under the circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    You didn’t have the time for a two minute call to your tag supplier but you have the luxury of time to be arsing about on this site for far longer moaning and bitching. I give up, do what you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    We could have made as many begging calls with sob stories as we liked to try to get bumped up the queue. It still doesn't change the fact that the animals have to go out when they have to go out. We don't have the luxury to be arsing about delaying that end of things. If we had known for certain that the tags would have been arriving at 5pm by tracked delivery on the day we put them out, they would still have gone out that day without them.

    I made a one-sentence post about them sending them out late. It wasn't an unreasonable observation. And not the end of the world, but it is a minor inconvenience. I didn't expect to be attacked and held responsible for them being late in doing what they are expected to do

    Cattle here are housed over the winter and let out in (usually) late Spring when the weather allows. It's hardly a unique set of circumstances necessitating having to ring up looking for special treatment.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Tanko it’s hardly Donald Trump’s fault that ICBF are sending out tags in May. Let’s leave it at that now OK.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Fotish


    I had to fill out a form called “ AIM94(b) Application form to amend bovine registration details.”

    This is returned with the Blue Card and a new card is issued.

    You can get the form by googling it and downloading.

    Post edited by Fotish on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    Was talking to my advisor yesterday and he said one of his colleagues had been talking to DAFM on the matter above as regards Record Keeping and Events Recording. Apparently there is to be a payment run in May to cover this.

    Was initially meant to be paid in March, then April and the latest is May so I won't hold my breath for it just yet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    When doing the online training and you come to the screen where it says Log in to Aurion Learning 2, what are the username and password needed at this stage?



  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Alibaba


    You must first activate your account with your herd number and a scep training pin number.

    This number you can get on the agfood letter they put up online or a letter they send out.

    I only got the letter today , couldn't get the letter on agfood as I've only a tablet and it was all gobbledegook.

    Then with the pin it will take you to where you make up your own password.

    If you've any problems call them on 074 9707756

    I had to call them myself and they're very helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Scep letter came today with all the details. Genotype Tags also came today from mulinahone. Did every one else get their tags long ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    same as you, logged in on tab but couldn’t get first session to open. Might have to try computer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Signed up last year for NGP. Checked on ICBF whether SCEP geno tags needed for 2024, says not necessary as already in NGP. I was anticipating they might want to geno the bullocks this year.

    NGP cost €4 each, SCEP is €18 each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Open to correction, but I think they still charge you the 18 for the SCEP required ones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Only had to NGP newborn calves 2024 @ €4 a pop.

    No animals need be genomic tagged for SCEP 2024 according to ICBF, as they already have every female's dna in the herd from the NGP



  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Alibaba


    I joined the ngp also and got all my calves genotyed this year , just 24 of them.

    Now my reference figure is 28 and I have to genotype 19

    The only reservation I have about it is that in previous years you could pick out the ones you wanted done and they'd just do the required amount to qualify (19)

    Now they're all done this year so I have nothing to carry over if I'm tight for animals next year to genotype



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    We joined NGP sometime in 2023, tags for every female in the herd without DNA were sent out and then submitted for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    That’s the reason i didn’t join the NGP, you can’t carry spare animals from one year to the next, you would have been better off staying out of it imo.


    Also if you join the NGP you are still paying €18 per animal for genotyping the no of animals needed for the SCEP scheme afaik.



  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Alibaba


    I've come to realise that now. I'm going to be reducing my numbers and where you can get away with calving 50% of your reference number you have to genotype 70% . Doesn't make sense really. Was always handy to carry over a few spare ones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Same reason here for not joining ngp, dropping dropped to half calving this year and trying to sell a few more to reduce numbers, have to be strategic which to genotype to and sell. Don't want to be in position where have to purchase non genotyped animals. Haven't brought in animals here in over 30 year's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    I see ICBF have finally got the finger out and added a tab for every bull when you look up their figures showing whether the bull is eligible for the SCEP scheme or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    I’d like if they’d add the myostatin, pollens, and other genetic traits that would influence farmers when selecting a sire. The likes of Progressive Ataxia for PB CH Breeders would be useful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    True, their website is a disaster. It needs a lot of improvements but they don’t seem to care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    I think allot of it is there is no real world experience. Only that farmers are bullied into using it due to involvement in various schemes it would not be purchased.



  • Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭sonnybill


    anyone know the current cut off in euro for 4 star on replacement? I’ve very nice heifer calf at E97 that used to be ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️in old money 👍 but she still three star



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/evaluation-info/

    Cut off scores are here. Use all breeds if they are cross bred

    Edit: Click on the Star Cutoffs box on the top left for the info



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    If she scored as a 4* at any stage she will stay that way as long as she stays in the herd



  • Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭sonnybill


    only born this year and she three



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