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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Seems to be 8035 or 8036, oh to be an empty vodka bottle with an embedded CIA microphone in the Kremlin about now 😃



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ Veda Kind Yak


    Maybe they're not too worried about the Russian threat, considering they've been hearing about how the Russian military isn't very impressive for two solid years now?

    It seems to be getting harder and harder to sell this rhetoric to people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A stupid number or Republicans voting for the Moscow Marge amendment to zero out the bill. They didn't have the votes though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Two solid years into a war Russian propaganda told us will take three days for the second best army in world

    let the record be clear 🤣

    Edit: who is the one democrat voting nay only to change their mind?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's a highly complex dynamic situation. To try and simplify it somewhat:

    Russia has a massive powerful military. They invaded Ukraine, most analysts had Ukraine collapsing in a short time, the Russians themselves believed they would take the country in the short time. The Russians made big progress early on, reaching the capital. However, the Ukrainian leader didn't flee, the Ukrainian military did their job, they didn't collapse. With Western help, the Ukrainians not only started to hold the Russians, but pushed them back. A clever counter-offensive helped with that. The Russians reorganized an immense defensive line and clinging on to about 18% of the country and a crude stalemate is the current state of things.

    The Russian military is using Iranian drones, relying on 40 yr old taxi drivers, prisoners, getting shells from N Korea - on the flipside they still have a decently powerful air-force (Ukraine has virtually none), they have (or had) a navy (Ukraine had none), have vast stocks of CW equipment, large production of munitions. Complex. And they have adapted.

    TLDR the Russian military has been humiliated by a much smaller nation, they've made big mistakes, but they have adapted somewhat through the war and have been saved by quantity (of both munitions and meat-waves of men they can send in)

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ahem, like I was saying, sail through the House. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8035

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    Hopefully this means the bill gets signed and we get wheels up on the military aid to Ukraine by the end of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,192 ✭✭✭Mech1


    Handing out Ukraine flags in the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    they don't seem to be getting around to the russian side of the chamber



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    **** YES



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Hang on, we're coming

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Tis a nice touch a clear **** you to wannabe Hitler imitator

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    Never thought I be so happy to see military industrial complex get money, but this time it’s for a good eradication cause



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "put those damn flags away" wah poor rubes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If the military industrial complex is going to exist, it's not too much to ask for it to align with a good cause once in a while.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Are the American tax payers obligated to continue funding the Ukrainian war effort indefinitely though?

    A huge chunk of the money will be spent in America going into the pockets of Americans. American weapons systems and ammunition don't make themselves y'know.

    Plus if anything support is growing in the US. Hell, now we see Johnson openly stating he's behind the support. Trump is stating it too. Something rattled cages there.

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    Your phrase "pulling the finger out" seems to suggest an element of entitlement to these funds, rather than them being a charitable contribution to help Ukraine fight their war.

    "Charitable" ah would you listen to yourself. 😂

    How strong would you say the Russian military are, to have caused this bleak outlook for the Ukrainians without having the benefit of such massive aid packages themselves?

    Remarkably and surprisingly weak actually. Compare the economies, population sizes and military numbers of Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has(if not had), a minuscule airforce, no navy to speak of, until very recently no modern MBTs and troop carriers, a fraction of the Russian artillery and nothing like the comms, radar, satellite and missile systems etc of Russia. Yet Ukraine didn't fold like expected, instead fought back, pushed Russian forces out of 50% of their initial gains, hamstrung their navy and their airforce for the most part needs to fire stand off munitions from behind Russian lines, if not from Russia herself. And forced the Russian military into a WW1 style slog, with mines and trench warfare.

    Never mind that Russia's war chest of cash is by an order of magnitude higher than Ukraine. To the degree that spending that cash on the military is even making an impression on their overall GDP figures. And they still need to buy in weapons from Iran and North Korea and at least were likely getting some tech from China(though imho that ship is leaving port or has already sailed).

    Many people are saying the Russian defences are near impenetrable in most parts of the frontline now, with row after row of
    trenches, anti-tank obstacles, ditches, reinforced bunkers etc often many kilometres deep. Apparently, this is seriously sapping the morale of the soldiers, which I can fully imagine it might.

    "Many people are saying" Source: Trust me bro.👍️ Boy oh boy if you were anymore transparent you'd give a sheet of glass a run for its money.😁

    It sounds like an old-fashioned ww1 gruelling style of war. Can this latest aid package make much of a difference in such a war of attrition?

    The Maginot line was even more "impenetrable". Right up to the point when it wasn't. And again if the Kremlin weren't so concerned about Western aid packages(and sanctions) they and their various mouthpieces wouldn't be constantly keening about them. They don't talk about Ukraine's air force or navy do they? Nope, because those don't concern them.

    Actually it's been a while since we've heard Russian mouthpieces waving their nuke threats around. If this aid package passes the US senate I suspect we will..

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    That republican of Ukrainian descent from Indiana of course voted no

    Anyways more good news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Not a single Dem vote against - so all of the Nay votes on the earlier wider vote must have been against IDF funding (or one of the other bills) rather than against Ukraine funding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    TikTok ban is not a sure thing. The members of the Senate have been very coy about that bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    I think the following quote is appropriate about now;

    “The answer he received was a devastating, life-changing shock.

    "We cannot do anything without orders from Moscow," the voice at the other end replied. "And Moscow is silent."

    That phrase, "Moscow is silent" has haunted this man ever since. Defiant yet helpless as the 1989 revolution swept over him, he has now himself become "Moscow" - the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    God thank you I was wondering who that kompromat sounding plant was.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Spartz

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    Spartz called the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine "a genocide of the Ukrainian people by a crazy man".[47] Spartz was one of the first US officials to call Russian actions "war crimes".[48][49] At the time of the invasion, Spartz had family still living in Ukraine, including her grandmother, who was living in Chernihiv, which was under siege by Russia.[50]

    During the ongoing invasion, Spartz traveled to Ukraine twice in April 2022. The first time was an unannounced visit to Bucha with U.S. Senator Steve Daines. Spartz and Daines were the first two U.S officials to visit Ukraine since the war started. The second trip was to Lviv, Kyiv, and Odesa with Representative Tim Walberg.[51][52] During the trip, Spartz met with Metropolitan Epifaniy.[53] Spartz has been critical of the speed and effectiveness of international humanitarian aid efforts.[54]

    In July 2022, Spartz criticized Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, accusing him of "playing politics and theater" and not governing seriously.[55] In an interview with Ukrainian press, she accused the country's leaders of not preparing for war and not understanding the war's importance. She asserted that there is insufficient monitoring of U.S.-provided weaponry, and that Congress needs to take control in this area.[56][57][58]

    Also in July, Spartz enumerated six allegations against Andrii Yermak, a top official in Ukraine's government. Among the accusations were leaking important secret information to Belarus and Russia by Yermak, mismanaging peace negotiations he conducted with Dmitry Kozak just before the war, and then falsely "assuring Ukrainian leadership that no attack by Russia was going to happen" in February 2022, "contrary to western intelligence, to prevent Ukraine from properly preparing for the war", and through his deputy Oleh Tatarov delaying the appointment of an anti-corruption prosecutor.[59][60][61] Spartz asked the White House to investigate the allegations and report to a Congressional oversight committee.[62]

    The Foreign Ministry of Ukraine responded that Spartz's allegations with regard to Andrii Yermak were "baseless speculation".[63] Former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, who has been working with Yermak on sanctions policy, said: "Yermak most certainly does not strike me as being pro-Russian. He is stridently anti-Putin and his barbaric regime."[64] Some Republican representatives and senators disagreed with Spartz's accusations and believed the accusations could hurt the war effort and damage U.S. relations with Ukraine, while boosting GOP elements who opposed aid to Ukraine.[64][65]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Absolutely delighted. Can't imagine how Ukrainians feel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Brilliant news. About time. Give the lads what they need to finish the fight.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Excellent news.

    Time to give them everything they need to reclaim their land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Good news but it is atrocious that we are so dependent on the Americans to bail out Ukraine. This should be happening in the European Parliament not Washington. Europe needs to use this time that Washington has bought us here to seriously up its arms capabilities. Forget the tankies and the “ peace” merchants and the various Trojan horses etc. Hard power is what protects the life we have here in western countries without it there would be chaos like the 1930’s and 40’s. Multi polar strongman chaos we all know where it leads. No thanks !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think they're going to take much time out to feel amazing because they have the urgent business of fighting a battle of survival with Russia to attend to, but hopefully it gives them more reason to feel confident.

    But the aid that comes to Ukraine needs to get bang for the buck. Really expensive sophisticated weapons are great for when nothing else will do, but you want it effective and cheap because then you can get lots more of it. Seems like it's been all the cheap ad-hoc weapons which have been causing the real problems for either side in this war, be it Ukraine fragging tanks with Javelins early on, or now Russia sticking wings and a cheap GPS on old bombs.

    If the UK's new Dragonfire laser-based anti-drone system lives up to the hype, it would be a game changer in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Fantastic news had this not passed I think being honest Ukraine would have faced a very bleak future. The situation is still not great but hopefully this will begin to turn the tide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Target logistics logistics logistics. And target the planes dropping bombs. That might need to wait until the f16s arrive. If Russia lose the ability to fly sorties they will been in a spot of bother as their current tactics rely a lot on those glide bombs. Took way too long but better late than never.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    LET'S GO BABY!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Cheapest way possible of letting russia self-immolate and kill off those russians fed to the meat grinder that you don't think are human.

    The russian loss of life is a tragedy and they should stop the special operation immediately.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ Veda Kind Yak


    All the loss of life in this war is a tragedy. And everyone is human, where did I say otherwise? I don't know where you're coming from on that point tbh…

    But there's nothing cheap about this thing, the human cost or the financial.

    I can't see more money ending this thing. The Russians are just too strong, and they had far too much time to fortify these defensive lines. Ukraine would need a huge superiority in numbers, to have any chance of overwhelming those lines now. These fortifications are excellent force multipliers, and the attacker must assume more of the risk to men and equipment.



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