Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Homelander

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043585#Comment_122043585

Not sure if blatant trolling, Russian shill or pure ignorance, but.

The Russian military isn't very impressive being rhetoric?

Russia, since the foundation of Ukraine as an independent state, has spent almost 20x more than Ukraine per year on military.

Only since 2014 did Ukraine start spending more but it was still a drop in the ocean compared to Russia.

Few billion a year compared to 50-60bn for Russia, though let's not talk about the fact that half of the Russian figure was probably lost to corruption in Putin's mafia state.

Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 should've been a rollover. Everyone expected it to be. Experts predicted Ukraine might last a few weeks.

It should have been akin to the Gulf Wars.

Instead Russia pulled the Winter War 2.0. **** logistics. **** leadership. **** command control. **** tactics.

Imagine the USA invaded Mexico and two years later was bogged down a few hundred km into the country.

The Russian military is ****. It's gutted by rot and corruption, same as the country itself under the banner of Putin.

It's not a hard sell to anyone. The Russia armed forces are a massive joke. A massive joke that can still cause damage and destruction unfortunately, as any army can, but a joke nonetheless relative to what everyone thought they were capable of.

That's how it goes in Putin's Russia. It's not a country it's a kingdom run like a crime family. The biggest laugh is that Putin himself presided over this dysfunctional mess and probably had no idea how bad the rot really was under his watch.

He probably lies in bed at night staring at the ceiling wishing he had a time machine to go back to 2022.

The fact two years after the invasion that Ukraine has held off Russia with a) it's own material and b) a drip-fed supply of US/EU's surplus/outdated weaponry says it all.

Putin rolled the dice on Ukraine folding in a few days. Same way Hitler rolled the dice on the Soviet Union falling in a few months.

The outcome may not have been clear at the time, but with hindsight we knew the game was over once that didn't happen, even if it took literal years for said outcome to come home to roost.

denismc

Even Fox News is turning on poor ol Marjorie!

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/marjorie-taylor-green-idiot-wreck-gop

Jinglejangle69

Ahhh the panic tonight smells like in the morning.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044595#Comment_122044595

For now. Fox News sometimes run things like this up the flag pole to test the direction of the wind but reverse course if they get blowback. I have read at least one story about Murdoch/Fox being ready to cut Trump loose, but then doing a 180. God forbid Newsmax be able to usurp that audience.

Brussels Sprout

Good for them. They're the real heroes

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1781746268739448975

Dubinusa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043275#Comment_122043275

Why is it shameful.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043635#Comment_122043635

It will take a few more days. It now has to go to the senate and be passed there which I believe is set to happen on Tuesday and then it will be signed into law by Biden. So it won't happen today but just another few days before its officially passed.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044925#Comment_122044925

As I mentioned many lives were lost as a result of people playing politics.

Poon Tang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044201#Comment_122044201

Both sides are feeding lives into their respective war machines. Ukraine seem to be far more reliant on outside support than the Russians. (despite what we've been told about the standard of the Russian military - their weapons/equipment etc)

Just out of interest, what do you estimate to be the total financial contribution from the west to Ukraine after this latest US aid package? I have seen various different figures thrown around.

Where did I cheer on more Russian deaths? I have been suggesting that someone should broker peace, perhaps Trump if he gets elected, as Biden doesn't seem very interested in this avenue. By comparison, other posters here seem far more keen on seeing a continuation of the war.

Why would the Russians not be defending? They have annexed these territories, brought them into the Russian federation, and are now defending them from attack like they might any other part of their nation. (as they see it of course)

"How should Russia start minimising the loss of Russian lives?"

Well, Putin did seem open to negotiations with Ukraine/the west in that Tucker Carlson interview. So, perhaps someone in Ukraine/the west should consider this path? There is the possibility, that the Russian view on the war might harden significantly in the future - as there are many hardliners within Russia calling for this. If things start to go downhill for Ukraine on the battlefield over the coming months, such an olive branch might disappear.

zerosquared

hahahahahaha

Igotadose

So, what form would that peace negotiation take?

My .02:

Ukraine and Russia cease hostilities.

Russia withdraws from all territories in Ukraine occupied since 2014. Russia pays to repair and replace all infrastructure destroyed by them since 2014. Russia repatriates all children and citizens kidnapped by them to Russia, since 2014.

Vladimir Putin, Sergey Lavrov, Simonoyan and others turned over to the ICC for prosecution for war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against humanity.

jackboy

Saw on Sky news earlier someone said that this US package should be enough to keep Ukraine fighting but will not be enough to really challenge and defeat Russia. Also, that this package will just lead to more Ukrainian towns and cities being ground to dust.

Thing are looking pretty bleak if that opinion is anywhere near accurate.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045231#Comment_122045231

So some talking head on sky news is directly hooked into the Russian firehose of scutter?

I was curious what the official Russian propaganda response will be as they all gone have quiet like the time Wagner marched on Moscow and the whole apparatus shat itself

And the response so far directly from Peskov is “nothing to worry about”

Weak, very weak, might take them a while to formulate a response

The smartest thing Russians could have done is about a year ago to stop pushing and freeze the conflict so US and Europe loses interest in Ukraine, but no the eejits just can’t help themselves commit war crime after atrocities and keep directly threatening other countries

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045228#Comment_122045228

Altough your mentioned point 1 and 2 could be realistic, unfortunately point 3 is unlikely to happen. Cant recall it ever happening before either. Baltic States still have list of OMON butchers on their wanted list and all lawful requests to Russia since arly 1990ties to hand them over for prosecution have been turned down. Some of them live cosy lives and hailed as heroes.

So no, unfortunately Plytkin, loshad Lavrov, Simonyan, Skabeyeva, Solovyov and thousands of others will be a job for Ukrainian special unit similar to Mossad to hunt these down individually and hang on nearest lampost.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045213#Comment_122045213

You're absolutely misrepresenting what Putin said in the Carlson interview. His idea of peace amounts to telling the EU and US to stop supporting Ukraine and allowing Russia to complete the invasion. Also, to point out, you've failed to address the fact that Russia is actively committing genocide in Ukraine.

"When asked by Carlson about the possibility of peace in Ukraine, Putin said: “If you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons,” referring to Western aid to Kyiv. “It will be over within a few weeks. That's it,” he added."

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-tucker-carlson-ukraine-war-elon-musk/#:~:text=When%20asked%20by%20Carlson%20about,That's%20it%2C%E2%80%9D%20he%20added.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045213#Comment_122045213

Where Vladimir Putin is concerned, there's only one thing you can be sure of and that's even iF there was a peace deal hammered out, it would only last as long as it suited Putin. And then, back to battle again. He's done this time and time again. There are no circumstances under which he or his mafia can ever be trusted. Except of course by defeating him so badly that he cannot ever go to war again. Then maybe a modicum of trust might be OK, but even then, I wouldn't trust him 100%

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045213#Comment_122045213

"Both sides".

This isn't a mutual war, this isn't some squabble over territory. It's a war of choice for Russia. Ukraine has no choice. Russia is feeding lives out of choice, Ukraine is having to sacrifice out of necessity.

Russia has a much more significant and larger domestic military and production base. Which is largely untouched. This has been explained to you pretty clearly. You're ignoring it to repeat the same "I don't get it" points which is getting tiring.

"Someone should broker peace", "Putin did seem open to negotiations with Ukraine/the west in that Tucker Carlson interview."

Putin can end the war at any time by simply turning around. He bombs Ukraine 24/7 out of choice and has never suggested genuine peace.

Not following the thread so much anymore, but it's obvious your posts are a faux "confused" about the war act whilst gargling pro-Putin talking points.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045295#Comment_122045295

I was curious what the official Russian propaganda response will be as they all gone have quiet like the time Wagner marched on Moscow and the whole apparatus shat itself

And the response so far directly from Peskov is “nothing to worry about”

Weak, very weak, might take them a while to formulate a response

Silence and/or a noncommittal Nothing to worry about is like you note the usual Kremlin response when things don't go their way and they're rewriting the script. I suspect after they work on said script they'll push even more of the "peace talks" angle, with more of the "look at how much it's costing Ordinary Americans™. Not directly at first, but through their spin machine. See above; our newest user is ahead of the game.

Note too the usual Russian amnesia about previous talking points. EG there's been barely any talk of late of the recent ISIS Moscow terrorist attack/let's pin it on the Ukrainian nazis. Currently gone the way of biolabs, weaponised birds, Germans in German tanks, NATO soldiers, dirty bombs, gas attacks and the coup that never was, so never mind.

The smartest thing Russians could have done is about a year ago to stop pushing and freeze the conflict so US and Europe loses interest in Ukraine, but no the eejits just can’t help themselves commit war crime after atrocities and keep directly threatening other countries

I would say it's more that Putin kicked this off with no real plan beyond going all in. When their initial it'll be over in weeks plan fell on its arse he doubled down on that. He doesn't appear to have any climb down plan in mind. To do so would admit defeat, even if they spin it as a victory. As they will whatever happens and a goodly chunk of their acolytes will be happy to believe it enough to spread it.

Roald Dahl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045299#Comment_122045299

Hopefully the routing on russia and its dissolution happens in the near future and these beasts are indeed made pay for their crimes against humanity.

I would like very much, after they have been rousted out of Crimea and with Ukraine on the road to moscow, for a conference to be held in Yalta, where russia's mapped-out future is openly negotiated and agreed upon. This would naturally include the publication of an endlessly-long list of wanted war criminals being instructed to hand themselves over to the ICC or face being hunted down as you have mentioned.

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045213#Comment_122045213

"such an olive branch"

The Ukrainian armed forces had to deal with 6 cruise missiles, hundreds of moskovyte soldiers and huge numbers of other lethal weapons being used to attack their country yesterday. You have a bizarre idea on what the symbolic olive branch should look like.

Meanwhile reports of more bad news for putin's naval forces in occupied Crimea.

https://kyivindependent.com/explosion-in-sevastopol-russian-ship-reportedly-on-fire-and-crimea-bridge-closed/

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045213#Comment_122045213

Jesus Christ.

This word “annexed” as in illegally invading another country is bounced around by Putins lapdogs as if it somehow has some legal definition.

Please tell me what peace deal Ukraine should look for and what Russia is looking for?

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045485#Comment_122045485

It’s sort of: “What’s the quickest way to say you’re fully subscribed supporter of the Kremlin, without saying it?”.

The answer seems to be; call the Russian encroachment into Ukraine “annexed territory” and their offensive operations into Ukraine “defense”.

This is likely one of the most recorded conflicts in human history so far. We know what the Russians are trying to do, and for better or worse we’ve seen how they’ve attempted to do it. Calling their invasion a “defense of Russian territories” is akin to a MAGA sycophant claiming that Jan.6 was just “peaceful tourists” when we all saw it happen live.

Which means statements like that of our newest Putin-fan is either based on ignorance of the facts (and they are facts) or are so subscribed to an echo chamber of Russian sponsored misinformation that they can’t fathom an alternative viewpoint.

For those who find themselves in that latter mindset, I will tell you this. History will find you to be an object of pity.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045485#Comment_122045485

Russia looking for international recognition of its land grabs and everyone to forget the genocide and atrocities and lift sanctions of course

Also Russia, wants to upend the “world rules based order”

Was it Budanov who pointed out that eventually the house of cards will collapse (again) under the weight of lies and contradictions which rests on thoroughly corrupt and rotten power vertical without a way to peacefully transition power in a democratic manner.

Anyways back to current affairs, thought these pictures are interesting this morning of a what seems to be lightly damaged patriot launcher being brought back in Antanov plane for repair

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045299#Comment_122045299

All the points are completely unrealistic. It is a complete fantasy and par for course for the unrealistic expectations in this thread. As much as I would love to see it happening, I don't see any scenario where it actually will happen.

For starters it is quite clear that the West is not going to back Ukraine enough to be able to re-take all the lost territories, this new US package hopefully will help stem Russia's advance, but that about the best Ukraine can hope for.

There is not a hope in hell that Russia will agree to leaving the territories it has already annexed. IMO the best bet Ukraine have now is to keep making Russia sacrifice as much men and equipment as possible in defending the territory they hold at the moment.

If their is to be any peace plan then the harsh reality is that Ukraine will probably lose the territory held by Russia at present.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045213#Comment_122045213

Hold up a minute, your solution to stopping more russian deaths is Tucker Carlson? You must really hate the russians or be utterly delusional.

The donations to Ukraine have been the absolute cheapest castration of a superpower the world has seen, putin has made mistake after mistake and it's only that the russians around him are too chicken to challenge him that this charade of a special operation still goes on.

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045551#Comment_122045551

I disagree. There were comments like your own before 1989 too and hey hou, lots of formerly annexed/taken countries got their freedom back. Point 1 and 2 is certainly possible. Point 3 unfortunately not.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045581#Comment_122045581

Yea I take your point but we are not talking about the same regime or Russia now.

Barring a complete collapse of the Putin regime (Which does not seem likely at all) then there is no hope that they will pull out of the annexed territories by choice. So then the only option is taking it back by force, and nothing suggests that Ukraine have anywhere near the capabilities to achieve this, and it would require US/west backing on a whole other level to what we see at present to be able to achieve this.

swiwi_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122045551#Comment_122045551

i agree. The best Ukraine can do is dig in and make it extremely expensive financially and otherwise for Russia to keep pushing. This new deal will help supply artillery shells, air defence and maybe some long range missiles. It’s not going to allow Ukraine to go on a major offensive. The best hope for Ukraine is that Putin dies or is assassinated and that the successor decides Ukraine is not worth it. I can’t see Russia giving up crimea but maybe they aren’t so attached to Donbas, who knows?

Brussels Sprout

This could well be the last big aid package to Ukraine from the USA (certainly if Trump wins in November). Europe really does need to step up now. That means ramping up production of munitions and planning for a long conflict. Yes we would all love it if Russia collapsed and melted away but it's foolish to base plans around that possibility.

Discodog

The number one requirement of any "peace" deal is Ukraine joining Nato.