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  • 25-06-2021 9:07am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭ Sunny Disposition


    Not an expert on Russia by any means, but I find their behaviour on the world stage chilling. Plus Putin is a thug on a personal level.
    It seems to be a very different culture. Through business I've encountered a few Russians and find them very different to westerners, tougher, less sympathetic.
    Guys I know who did business in Russia hated it, very high level of corruption, can't get things done in the same way as in western countries.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭ Peterteanh


    Russia has serious issues. Their population is declining by almost a million people a year. Demographically this will weaken them massively, on the other hand this may also make them take more aggressive actions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭ Hasschu


    According to Le Monde (French newspaper) Russia has brokered a peace deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan which was finalised earlier today Nov. 16th 2021.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,196 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    They broker multiple peace deals with their own forces and Ukraine multiple times which they went on to break themselves .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭ CQD


    But like, haven't the west being trying to destabilise the Ukraine for a while?..

    He flat out denied that they were behind the cyber attacks in one interview I saw..

    I don't know about Belarus..

    Did you ever think it would get to the stage where you were supporting Nazis?..



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭ fvp4


    Source? Wiki tells me that although deaths exceed births it’s compensated for by immigration. Not unlike most of the west. The population has increased since 2010 but did decline 2019-2020. Not by 1 million though

    i’ve noticed that even though there’s a huge omerta about fertility levels in the west (which are dire) it’s only used as an attack on China and Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,196 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    They have a growing population of foreign nationals living and working there in some cases illegally ,the Chinese population is supposedly several times the official figures ,in Siberia there has been calls to limit the number of Chinese coming out of fears they could do a Putin and send troops to protect their citizens ( doubt it would ever be possible )



  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭ lenny palmer


    Most countries have been invaded over time on many occasions. The whole map of Europe has changed numerous times as I'm sure has most of the middle East and the far east. Even over the past 20 years maps in Eastern Europe have changed, the Western part has settled down it seams. Most of Western Europe are not paranoid about being invaded like the Russian seem to be. Or as the countries around Russia seem to be, but these countries are worried that Russia will be the invaders



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭ Wojtek the Bear


    But what does Russia fear exactly with regard to Ukraine? "Destabilising" Ukraine by giving them moral support and encouraging democracy is a long way from threatening Russia.


    Nobody is going to be thinking of invading Russia anytime soon so why the paranoia of "the West"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭ klaz


    It is when they want Ukraine returned to Russian control. Do you think the US would tolerate Texas being independent on their borders, or demand that it rejoin the union, because of historical borders, and the resources it contains? You know well that the US would do anything to retain control over its states, including warfare.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle 



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭ Peterteanh


    Controversial, but I like him on a lot of issues. Not everything.

    Listen to some of his interviews with Russian media. Really insightful, direct, addresses questions, hates this modern Western wokeness, The interviews can last for 3-4 hours at a time. I can't imagine any Western leader, Martin, Biden, Johnson etc. being able to do anything similar. He's also unapologetically pro-Russian, something I would be stunned with if any Western leader came out and said about their own country.

    I'm aware he can be criticized on a number of fronts as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,196 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    But yet nobody in Ukraine wants to be forcibly returned to Russia, Crimea barely had a russian majority ,who previously ignored a free russian passport drive,

    Russian military takes to the streets a sham election where in most places 110% of the population voted to join russia,



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭ CQD


    Yeah, that's what I'm saying..

    Seems completely reasonable, intelligent, and understanding of the realities of diplomacy..

    Did you ever think it would get to the stage where you were supporting Nazis?..



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭ Wojtek the Bear


    The time to sort that out was 30 years ago when the USSR collapsed. Ukraine gained its independence along with several other states. The case is closed. There should be no need in this day and age for aggression in that part of the world. The Cold War is over. Time for everyone to move on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭ Ads by Google


    Yeah, Northern Ireland was done and dusted a hundred years ago. Time to move on.

    Or does it become more complicated when 65% identify as from another country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭ CQD


    I tend to base most of my impression of Russia on mid 19th century literature I've realised..

    Communism probably hardened them and made them more cynical, but I get the impression the old Russian spirit is on the way back for some reason..

    Did you ever think it would get to the stage where you were supporting Nazis?..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭ klaz


    Not really. Its more to do with how the nations concerned would react, and their perception on things. To Russians, Ukraine is part of Russia.. the same way that Americans would look at Texas.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle 



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