Russia - threadbanned users in OP

mate. Stop saying Europe and us are pushing for a ceasefire and a pause. Unless you have some solid supporting references. Otherwise you’re a spoofer talking out your arse tbh.

The Yanks finally pulling the finger out on this much needed package for Ukraine right when things have been looking exceedingly bleak for them, reminds me of that (possibly apocryphal) quote from Churchill:

"Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.” 

@Brussels Sprout

"Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.” 

According to quote investigator Churchill most probably did not say this, but the sentiment is solid.

Unfortunately, it's just a part of human nature to tend not to deal with a problem until it's right in your face. We'd all be in a much better place as individuals and a species if we dealt with problems preemptively rather than waiting until there is no other options.

And it's a tendency that trolls and those fed by trolls will feed upon. There'll always be some more pressing issue they'll want to give money to as a way out of giving money to anything.

Other than Moscow Marge ranting and raving disprovable nonsense and russian propaganda and trying to zero out the bill, the floor debate has been overwhelmingly in favor of the bill.

Vote begins now. It already has a number of Republican votes and seems poised to sail. Some votes against by the Democrats are signaling against the genocide in Israel.

seems to be.

lol of course it can. In a war of attrition the side with the largest economy will win with time. And Russia is dwarfed by the NATO economy, especially the US military industrial complex. And Russia has indeed had to transition to a full wartime economy while the US is business as usual.

latest tally. I guess I was wrong to think the Dems would overwhelmingly support the bill. Strange given how a great many of them still express support for Israel. It's going to be tight.

In retrospect, it was more Western sources who were predicting the lines to move, big style, when the Ukrainians began their summer offensive last year. General Zaluzhny had said in various news outlets that people would have to temper their expectations as to what Ukraine could actually do and, as it turned out, that wasn't a psy-op or anything.

… oh

The first vote that took place was to suspend the rules and pass H.R. 3602, a border security bill. The motion needs two-thirds approval, 290 votes, to pass. It failed with 215 in favor, 199 against while 17 members did not vote. But Republicans wanted votes on the record where lawmakers stood on the issue.

Earlier this week, three hardliners on the House Rules Committee prevented its passage in protest of House Speaker Mike Johnson’s overall plan. Had that passed, the bill would have required just a simple majority vote in the House to be sent to the Senate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/20/house-vote-ukraine-israel-aid-johnson/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/3602

I'm guessing this user is likely dodgy but I'll respond to the points anyway

No obligation to support Ukraine, but there's still decent support in the US for it. The US taxpayer spent 20 years supporting Afghanistan which was massively more expensive.

The amount the US is giving, and the nature of it (it's providing US jobs, plus moving old stock, plus warehoused and to-be-decommissioned equipment, plus tackling one of the US and free world's largest enemies, Putin, plus defending Europe from invasion) from any perspective it's a no-brainer pretty much. It's only being held up by party politics.

The Russian military is around the 3rd largest military in the world. They get some support from N Korea and China and others.

Russian defenses are formidable, but without this aid Ukraine could find itself falling back, aka losing. If this aid package passes it will be a significant boost to equipment/munitions, but also a big boost to morale in Ukraine who are still fighting for their survival.

"The House has overwhelmingly passed H.R. 8038, a bill that requires the current Chinese owner of TikTok to sell or face a potential ban. It would also allow the president to level new sanctions against Russia and Iran." (Wapo)

sounds like it according to the title read.

The amendments first, including the stupid moscow marge one.