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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,325 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Premier League weekends comprise unique slots for Sky and TNT. There can be some unavoidable overlap in re-arranged mid-week games, but its a rarity.

    You are wrong about NFL. Each network has it's own unique slot, so whilst they might show a different game for a local market they won't be up against a game on a rival network. So say CBS will have the big 1pm Sunday slate, Fox the late 5pm kick-offs, NBC the prime time 8pm Sunday games, Amazon the Thursdays etc.

    I don't know much about NBA broadcasting, but a quick glance at the playoff schedule suggests unique slots - e.g., tomorrow ESPN have games at 1pm, 3.30 and 6pm, whilst ABC have a prime-time game 8.30. A similar spread on Sunday but different broadcasters. https://www.nba.com/news/2024-nba-playoffs-schedule



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In the regular NBA season there's 15 games per round. There's often crossover and all games available on the app.

    Of the 10 Premier League games every weekend 5-6 are usually on the 3pm Saturday slot, all get broadcast, maybe not in England or Ireland but internationally they can all be picked up. Also take for example last season when the final 3 rounds were 3pm sunday kickoffs



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The 5 or 6 games at 3pm are not available in the primary market, i.e the UK.

    It doesn't matter if they are available in India, China or the US.

    They are not the primary markets for the game.

    Having all games available in places like India, China or the US is used to try and grow the market, they don't need to do that in the UK.

    In the US with NBA, MLB etc, you will get the games of your local team on local TV (some free, some subscription) and also some other games on network TV in different timeslots.

    But if you want to watch out of market games you will have to pay for a subscription and you won't be able to watch your local team on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,325 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Meh, if you are really going to go down the path of international broadcasters of the EPL then I'm out.

    Clearly in the case of the GAA we are talking about host country broadcasters - and that is the EPL comparison I'm making. Sky/TNT/Amazon get unique slots where they are not clashing with a rival broadcaster. The final weekend is an anomaly, the only time they have a pre-scheduled clash. (Which interestingly won't be the case from 2025/26 when Week 38 will be one broadcaster only).

    As said I don't follow NBA so don't know the regular season set-up. But why do they have these unique slots for the play-offs then? Surely every match should be at prime-time on rival networks - it wouldn't affect overall audiences at all as according to you 'each game will only ever attract 2 set of supporters'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Are all of the URC games on live, not to my knowledge? Are there games on St the same time? Either way, the URC is very much a secondary competition, more like an FBD or Walsh cup in GAA terms behind the Nations and Heineken Cups.

    Use the Rugby analogy, would BBC sign up for 6 nations if Itv were allowed to show games at the same time, would they hell. They are somewhat different in that they have 3 games per weekend for a 2 month period, and not a pretty much full 6 month calander with 50 odd teams over maybe a dozen or so competitions, including the 2 main championships.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    All Munster, Leinster and Connacht games are free to air but for arguments sake we take the free to air aspect away. Because the GAA is also only partly free to air

    Every game from the URC and Champions Cup in rugby is televised and in both competitions there is regularly multiple kick-offs at certain times. At international level the November and July series regularly have the same kick-off times also



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    They're bit centrally contracted games afaik. They are effectively friendly games, and afaik the tv deals are negotiated independently by the unions, so the irfu will own and sell the rights to the games here, the QEUrbe games in Cardiff etc. If anything they are in competition, and they still generally coordinate the KO times.

    It's generally not the done thing, and broadcasters don't generally work that way. Narrow casting and streaming maybe different. The Loi had rovers and Derry on TV tonight and several other games on at the same time, but they weren't broadcast in competition with rivers and Derry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Why bring an analyst from Tyrone to Ennis for a game in Roscommon??.

    Nuts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,123 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    LOL, yes we ask this same type of question every year !



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Like, they have all the OB stuff in Roscommon anyway, the video feeds and all in the van..... Sean only does general, banal clichés anyway, so he doesn't need anything too exciting ('Oh Roscommon, Need a big performance from Enda Smith...... a few scoring forwards,... Lack of defensive system..... Yadayada')



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    This Graine McElwain on GAAGo, whats wrong with her voice, its very harsh and shrill.

    I dont recall it being so shrill in past years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    GAA Go has been a disaster in terms of promoting GAA and the new early start to the championship season has been a disaster aswell.

    Too much of the championship now collides with the soccer and rugby seasons which are the GAA's major competition for casual fans and championship has always been about attracting the casual fan.

    There could easily have been 2 hurling matches on terrestrial television on Saturday and if RTE can't broadcast the then fine but I'm pretty sure TG4 would have been more than happy to broadcast the hurling on Saturday and it would have definitely attracted a much bigger audience than what GAA Go is getting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭deise man


    Demoting the hurling quarter finals to Saturday afternoon in favour of tailteann semis is crazy



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes the GAA has lost its edge moving from the summer months.

    As you rightly say its now clashing with many other sports, the Premier League, European Cup Rugby, Champions League.

    GAAGO picture quality is garbage, it might be acceptable for football with a bigger ball but certainly not hurling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    if RTE can't broadcast the then fine but I'm pretty sure TG4 would have been more than happy to broadcast the hurling on Saturday and it would have definitely attracted a much bigger audience than what GAA Go is getting.

    But TG4 can't just decide to broadcast the hurling on Saturday regardless of how happy they would be to do it.

    They needed to bid for and win the bid for a package.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭Brian017


    In my opinion, the Championships should be starting this weekend. Summers as a child were about going to Championship games for many these days their county are out are the championship before they even their school holidays. But it is what it is, it’s hard to see it going back at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    What chance do they have when they're in competition with RTE and then RTE and GAA's own broadcast wing.

    GAA should be trying to get as many games on free to air TV.

    GAA go is essentially their way of trying to hustle GAA fans put of more money and it hasn't worked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    Its nothing to do with being in competition with RTE. TG4 don't have the money to bid on the rights to the championship which are sold at a premium to the rights TG4 have. Even if they did they'd probably struggle with the production costs.

    RTE as is well publicised also don't have a lot of spare cash.

    The most realistic way for more games on free to air TV is increased government funding for RTE/TG4 which they would then transfer to the GAA for extra rights to additional games and spend on production costs. Makes little or no sense.

    None of the rants on social or mainstream media answer the question of who will cover the cost of the extra coverage everyone wants to see. Micheal Martin, when lamenting why Cork are not on TV, never mentions how his government control the purse strings of the only two free to air broadcasters interesting in producing match day content.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I doubt the production costs for the championships are much greater than league matches and yet TG4 are well able to cover them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    I didnt say they were. TG4 operated a surplus of €12k in 2022. How many extra matches would that get them?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Whatever about the merits or otherwise of the GAA licensing more games FTA, in order to promote their games and allow lots of people to see them, they in no way should feel obliged to provide free sporting content to the cesspit that is RTE.

    Let Them fvck off, if they get the games free or on the cheap, you just know they'll still waste hundreds of thousands on the same pundits and on other sh1te that has nothing to do with promoting the games.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    But the players the people who sacrifice so much for people to be entertained are generally in favour the current format, club players finally have certainty to over when games will and won't be on and can plan other elements of their lives accordingly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭deezell


    Pat Spillane reverts to type blaming the 'foreign' games for the loss of interest in recent GAA offerings, as in labelling the Professional URC competition a 'Second Tier sport', in terms of TV coverage, and by implication, viewer interest. He lives in an alternative universe, where every nondescript Gaa contest is of national interest, including Ulster slogfests. Kerry people will barely travel to watch Kerry play unless it's the actual all Ireland. TV viewing has to generate large viewership to generate income. If there's hardly anyone at the games, you can draw your own conclusions about the TAM ratings.

    https://www.balls.ie/gaa/pat-spillane-rte-gaa-rugby-597087



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭randd1


    • Poor and uneven competition structures, made worse in recent years by an increasing number of games.
    • Lack of promotion of games in midweek.
    • Lack of player/manager engagement with the media.
    • Non-existence of 10-15 minute highlights packages on social media after matches.
    • Very few Saturday evening review shows.
    • No mandatory midweek/Friday evening magazine show included as part of TV rights.
    • GAAgo not being available as a subscription channel on Sky.
    • No best 7 Goals/Points/Saves/Tackles/Bits of Skill flooding social media on a Monday morning.
    • And while the sports at their best are great, but the possession game in both codes leaves a lot of boring fare and nees to be tackled to make a better spectacle (hurling badly needs to clean up as well, it's a cheating festival at times).

    All of which if tackled would go a hell of a long way to putting the games front and centre and more available to people.

    The way things are, we're going to be in competition with other sports regardless of the time of the year. Look at this summer, between the Euro's, the Olympics, tennis, golf, racing, there's going to be sport constantly on the telly through the summer. The problem isn't competing with other sports, it's the pure 5hit-show that is the competition structures and the criminally and disgracefully poor promotion of the games on our own end.

    Take the highlights package for example. The Sunday Game is poor enough at times, and there more talking than matches, but they can't show everything either. Why aren't we seeing a 10-15 minutes highlight packages put on YouTube showing all the scores from play, a handful of the frees, the red cards, top saves and other significant moments. You need only show 10-15 seconds of a point. Say about 15 minutes of highlights package for every game. Stick it on YouTube, and let people watch them at their leisure during the week. They have the camera's at the matches, what's the point in having them there and just filing the footage away? Utter madness at this stage, when other sports have been doing it for well over a decade now.

    We need to sort our own 5hit out first before we start complaining about losing the summer, GAAgo or poor crowds. Do that and we'll have the crowds and the attention of sports fans.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    GOTTA say Ja Burns put his point across pretty well from the transcripts I've read about his defence of the GAA GO. Called out the politicians, called out Sean Cavanagh for their Bullsh1t ratings that are not based on facts. The Lynch mob that want to use the GAA as a pre election tool for publicity might realize that they are coming up against a sharp operator in Burns, I think he came across and got his point across well without ranting and or responding unduly to the provocation and as he said himself emotive rants of the 'hurlers on the ditch '.

    There are issues around GAA GO no doubt, and if the politicians want to look at let them get their boys in RTE to give up their share in it (it's the government that is supposed to be in charge of it after all) and take it from there. Get your own house in order first Simon.



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