TV Coverage

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957778#Comment_121957778

Yea it has to be.

Since Sky joined in 2014 the quarter finals were split, two on Sky, two on RTE.

And last year with GAAGO I believe it was the same.

I just checked the GAAGO website is saying they have 4 preliminary quarter finals and two quarter finals, so it has to be a mistake.

https://www.gaago.ie/championship-2024.html

windy shepard henderson

i think pressure needs to be put on gaa go to show all games if people are to have to pay for it , like it worked in covid , the league of ireland in soccer are miles ahead with the player they have , and there is a guaranteed 10 to 12 games every week for a league that is only watched by a fraction of the gaa crowd

franglan

Have been harping about this for ages too. You can pay for every minor under 20 or senior preseason tournament in an inflated balloon but not Roscommon Derry in a relegation dogfight in the league. Think all four divisions of the women's league were being streamed on Facebook at one point as well. Id pay good money for all league and championship games streamed - a awful amount of peeps at home and abroad simply can't get to games. The GAA seems to borderline want to reduce the % of games on TV with new football format rather than increase it.

zetecescort

I know I'll argue to suit my own circumstances but I hate the early Saturday throw ins. Show as many games as you like but they should be fixed to get as many to the games as possible, not to avoid clashes for TV.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958201#Comment_121958201

TG4 covered the hurling in Cork a week ago, so the cameras were in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Yet, there is no record of the following Cork-Armagh football game. For a game like that not everyone can attend; evening throw in time, expensive accommodation, 4 hour journey for the visiting team and 2 hours for some west Cork people. Add to that Armagh ladies playing at home earlier in the day. There are GAA people who would like to see the game but who cannot attend, I'm not sure what advantage there is to the GAA in not having this on GAAGo, even after the event.

franglan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961747#Comment_121961747

They county boards or provincials might lose out on ~some gate receipts or it's put on GAAGO and the production quality (say one camera angle, no halftime or worse case commentary) isn't amazing and people start complaining about paying good money for a "poor" product. I don't think either points are a reason not to retrospectively put up that Armagh Cork game or Derry Roscommon on GAAGO later in the week when there were cameras there and 90 seconds of highlights is all we got of those games on the Sunday Game. Spare a thought for the lower tiers who similarly have cameras at them sometimes and get less than a minute at 11.15pm on a Sunday night.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962421#Comment_121962421

You can't have long coverage of everyone in a 90 minute programme. But we are no longer restricted to this, you could have a longer programme only on RTÉ player, you could have games after the event on GAAGo. One camera coverage is not great, but it is infinitely more than zero.

franglan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962620#Comment_121962620

Fully agree - no issue with the Sunday game and trying to pack in coverage of 15 games on a Sunday (if anything that is the actual problem). It's not RTE's problem either they only have Sunday highlights coverage and a certain number of Saturday night highlight programmes. Issue rests with the GAA's overall ability to supply coverage in 2024 at a level that fans want.

theoneeyedman

The GAA should always 'leave the fans wanting more', and I don't know of any sport in the world that provides 100% Free to air coverage of all of their games, and few even allow 100%paid coverage. There is always a danger or a fear of over exposure, or oversaturating the 'market '.

randd1

What the GAA should be doing is giving a full list in advance on it's website of inter-county matches that is either being streamed on TV or on the internet.

And allowing any county board or club full permission to stream games themselves and charge for them if they want if said games are not being covered by GAAgo, television or whatever else.

With technology as it is, there's no reason why a match can't be caught on camera. And if TV or the GAA aren't covering it, give full permission for others (especially county boards and put it on their own website) to do so. Simple really.

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965260#Comment_121965260

Nobody is going to agree to a contract that allows other games on a rival service at the same time.

Eg, Galway v Mayo in a Connacht semi, Tyrone v Armagh in an Ulster semi, Cork v Kerry in Munster and say Dublin playing in Leinster the same afternoon. Who is going to pay to broadcast the Connacht or Ulster games in direct competition with the Dublin game being streamed? The market isn't big enough for that.

We're comparing the Utopia of telivised and streamed games in 2020 with the real world, they was a false scenario. No market in the world works like that.

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121967220#Comment_121967220

Again. County boards would have the option of streaming their own counties games if those games were not available on any other platform. If they were on TV or GAAgo, they wouldn’t have permission to do so. Essentially, every game gets covered regardless.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121967306#Comment_121967306

His correct point is that one or more games being streamed at the same time as a live TV game reduces the value of that live TV game, and hence how much a broadcaster would be willing to pay for it. Perhaps not by a huge percentage, but enough to make it a no-no. We see that logic in action in EPL soccer, where Sky and TNT have unique slots at the weekend, such that there is no overlapping of games unless completely unavoidable.

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121967378#Comment_121967378

And in pretty much every sport.

In the NFL, there are geographic broadcast embargos to prevent it happening.. Just makes no sense.

We're never likely to get back to the 2020 scenario of every game available, it was a false scenario. Maybe in some ideal dream world all games would be made available to everyone all the time, but commerce dictates it's not gonna happen.

munchkin_utd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121967306#Comment_121967306

firstly, the GAA centrally has a veto on any stream club or county being shown at the same time as a terrestrial game. Or better way of putting it, youre not allowed as it stands to stream anything in parallel unless you get specific permission

Every championship game is covered at the moment even if its only the one camera, its just that the footage is mostly hidden from the masses and only released as a few seconds of a clip on the Sunday game or in full to county managers to prepare for games.

I dont understand how delayed full games cannot be "broadcast" by Gaago once all other games of the day are completed, or even just make them available for streaming in the archive from midnight on a Sunday once the Sunday Game is over. I am sure theres many Wicklow or Waterford people in the USA or Australia (who were never ever going to be there in person so are not a loss of gate reciepts) who would love to rewatch their countys famous win, and even in Ireland it would give GAAgo a unique selling point beyond the few non terrestrial games they show.

Actually, for both home and abroad, having a pallatte of on demand games NOT shown on the normal service would be a unique selling point over just getting a dodgy box.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992374#Comment_121992374

That’s incorrect about a camera at every championship match in terms of Hurling anyway

munchkin_utd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992384#Comment_121992384

is that really the case? The only games I could imagine maybe not getting a camera would be less attractive Leinster preliminary round robbin games but I was under the impression that even those got a camera.

My main point anyhow is that theres an awful lot of championship footage of games there which are not being made available to county supporters, which is a pity

franglan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992575#Comment_121992575

Think callaways point would be relevant to the lower tiers of the hurling championship.

keeponhurling

I don’t know why the Sunday Game last night needed to have a section asking people about the provincial structures.

It’s kind of a boring and somewhat negative topic. Especially when there was so much action across both codes to cover, with plenty drama and upsets.

By all means have a review at the end, but jeez it’s the first weekend. It is what it is for 2024 at least, so why not try to enjoy it. What does it add to the programme now ? Can we expect this every week?

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121994126#Comment_121994126

This, 1000%.

It seems all these guys want to do is talk and Co plain about the games, rather than watch and play them.

There is a whole industry about 'pundits ", most woth the same insight as an ould lad at the bar of your local. They echo each other and tell us how great it is to see Kerry and Dublin play each other again. Their buddies still involved complain about having to actually play games, they'd rather be dragging out the games to once a month (to make sure the per session expenses keep flowing?).

Play the games, and show the actual gameplay.

Iecrawfc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121994126#Comment_121994126

They need something for the talking heads to harp on about, it's the biggest bugbear with RTEs Sunday Game coverage, just show the game highlights and have a quick chat to cover any major talking points, they don't need to rehash every play as if it's a video analysis session they're doing. Sometimes the analysis is longer than the highlights.

keeponhurling

I looked back over it.

They showed 70 seconds of highlights of Waterford v Tipp.

They showed 4 minutes of highlights of Cork v Limerick (which wasn't even a close game)

They spent 4.5 minutes on the section questioning whether we need provincials at all.

There are plenty of podcasts to discuss the ins and outs of the GAA world.

Sunday Game is different because it has actual footage of the games. Just show this.

For longer discussions about the general state of the GAA, they could have a separate programme mid-week. Or just leave it to the podcasts (in fact RTE do produce a GAA podcast show already).

franglan

Yep the voxpop and panel discussion on provincials was equally not unexpected and unnessicary. The Norn Iron sounding Joe Bloggs who added that Connacht is only ever won by Mayo and Galway did rattle this Roscommon diehard on a Sunday night. #knowyourhistory

Emailed RTE and GAAGO about adding any game footage available up on either the RTE player/YouTube/GAAGO the following week after the 90 minute clip has been shown on the Sunday Game. Response I got from both parties was that they don't own the rights and their rights don't allow that, go and speak to the GAA. No response from them to date on my suggestion.

theoneeyedman

Just turned SG on, and it's off again.....

Limited highlights, followed by Cananan and flynn prattling on for ages with their new big screen and tablets dissecting the Fermanagh kickout and where it went wrong.

JUST SHOW THE FVCKIN GAMES!!!

Brian017

Could it be that it is a rights issue that they can’t show many highlights? I know MOTD, for example, can only show a maximum of 7 minutes per game

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121994126#Comment_121994126

Anyone who listens to radio and watches TV on RTE platforms can't but have noticed the change in direction in RTE.

First thing in a lot of programmes is the presenter whoring the 'call us' 51551line. Somebody has obviously told them that's the way to do it….get the social media mob involved. Get the voxpops in and give Whacker the airways to vent his spleen to the nation.

BaywatchHQ

As if listening to McMahon wasn't hard enough on BBC but we now have to listen to "Mugsy". I wonder what he will say during Derry's games. He has been known to make jibes towards Derry on Twitter despite going to school in the county. He lives a short drive from the county border.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963353#Comment_121963353

I don't know of any sport in the world that provides 100% Free to air coverage of all of their games

All Munster, Leinster and Connacht URC games are free to air on RTE/TG4, also you can get paid coverage of all the rest. So there's one example

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121967220#Comment_121967220

I couldn't disagree more

In your example of Galway v Mayo in a Connacht semi, Tyrone v Armagh in an Ulster semi, Cork v Kerry in Munster and say Dublin playing Kilkenny in Leinster the same afternoon.

Are people in Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork or Kerry really going to be bothered about what happens in Leinster? Maybe a few die hards will want to see them all, but more often than not a game will only ever attract 2 sets of supporters.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037483#Comment_122037483

Then why do television broadcasters all over the world look for unique spots which don't clash with a same-sport game televised on a rival station?

Either you believe every other country is doing it wrong, or else that there is something unique about GAA broadcasting in Ireland that doesn't apply elsewhere.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037520#Comment_122037520

They don't. There's regularly NFL, NBA and Premier League games on and broadcast at the same time to use 3 examples