TV Coverage

flasher0030

I'm not sure if I'm missing a trick. I was looking forward to lovely relaxing day of GAA football on the TV. Last round of the league. Places up for relegation and many permutations still open as to who will make the league final. Logged onto the net to see what m TV schedule would look like - to see what the line up of the games would be. I know the games are on at the same time in each league. But presumed they would be doing the deferred coverage, like every other week.

To my dismay (and maybe I have misunderstood something) - all I can see between RTE and TG4 is the Dublin/Monaghan game. And that's on TG4. I cannot see anything at all on RTE. How could that possibly happen. I haven't Sky. Can it be that sky have the rights to the other matches to stop RTE/TG4 showing them. Surely it cannot be the situation that the powers that be, when they were do their scheduling were thinking about it. "mmm, I wonder who we'll put on today. Mayo in with a shout of the final, Armagh in with a shout" etc. But then some brightspark decided "naahhh - lets show the match with the teams that did rubbish in the league".

But at least TG4 have something on. What are RTE at? The last day of the league. And someone decides - no, we won't show any matches today. Let's instead show a film that was made almost 70 years ago and another film about the Lough Ness monster, which nobody has any interest in.

Shocking, unless as I say I have misunderstood something.

Fr Tod Umptious

Yes OP you are misunderstanding something.

TV broadcast rights.

TG4 own the rights to Sunday National League games.

RTE own the rights to Saturday night National League games.

Sky don't own any rights to any National League games so your conspiracy theory can stop there.

Because it's the last day with so much at stake all games start at the same time.

So TG4 can only show one.

Monaghan v Dublin is the only game that the result can create a clear cut outcome.

The loser is relegated.

All the others have various ifs and buts about them.

So because of that and because it's Dublin facing the prospect of relegation, it's as good as any to show.

ShamoBuc

They are showing the Dublin game live.

They are showing the Hurling semi final live.

They are showing Offaly V Cork relegation game deferred.

As always, TG4 doing an outstanding job for showing GAA in fairness.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058239063/tv-coverage

GAA should be streaming any match on GAA Go not being shown on TV. But the coverage has generally been fair. Maybe the rights should be changed to give RTÉ a Sunday match but give TG4 the first pick of the matches.

Coillte_Bhoy

Fair play to TG4, updates and clips from the other games. Can you imagine RTE bothering their arse doing soemthing like that?

newbie2

Simple really,

RTÉ have the rights to Saturday games

TG4 have the rights to Sunday's games

RTÉ show 2 hours of highlights of the weekends games on a Sunday evening

Sky don't have any rights to Allianz League

lertsnim

Is the picture on TG4 juddering like mad for everyone or just me?

Coillte_Bhoy

Very positive reaction on social media to TG4's coverage today, hopefully The Sunday Game production team take note

Brian017

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118844099#Comment_118844099

Haha. Good one.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118844099#Comment_118844099

Well there would have been a very negative reaction if they didn't have anything to keep people up to date with other scores and the "as it stands table"

I'd fault them though for not having the score from the other games in the top corner when they cut to those games to show a point or goal being scored.

My Irish is so so and I was not sure when they cut to the Kildare or Donegal games who was actually leading those games.

Also don't see how it translates to The Sunday Game.

Today was a rare day where so much was in play in all four games.

Such does not happen in the championship, so cutting away from Cork v Kerry in Munster to show a score from Monaghan v Tyrone in Ulster would be superfluous.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118844099#Comment_118844099

They had a graphic to show us that Jack McCarron looks at the goal before he shoots. Quality analysis.

amlinopta

TG4 made a reasonable fist of it overall but their graphic with the league table and points difference was incorrect nearing the end of the Dublin v Monaghan game; inexcusable really:

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118845395#Comment_118845395

What was incorrect exactly ?

amlinopta

When Dublin equalised, they put up a graphic of the table showing Dublin safe from relegation in sixth place which was incorrect. I think this was because they had the points difference for Kildare incorrect. Monaghan’s last point made no difference to Dublin, they needed to win to avoid relegation.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118845701#Comment_118845701

Yes I noticed that and I thought that the draw would save Dublin based on the table TG4 showed, but apparently not.

Also at one point they had Mayo with a scoring difference of +114, rather than the far more likely +14.

bamayang

This is moreso for their hurling coverage, but am I going blind in older age, or do they zoom out the camera an awful lot on the hurling coverage. I feel they are trying to show more of the field as people are so interested in the teams layout/formation/tactics - but this results in it being almost impossible to see the tussle for the ball between two players.

AUDI20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842606#Comment_118842606

NO I had the same problem all. day with that juddering effect on TG4. Same problem last night on the highlights on the Sunday game on RTE2

challengerbell

TG4 had super slow motion replays for league and club games what seemed like years before RTE managed it for championship games.

They also brought in replays with the live game in the bottom corner where as I think RTE still show multiple replays and the game has already restarted.

They keep it simple, commentator, co-commentator and 3 on the sideline for analysis but they are innovative in their production.

The Sunday Game in the evening is pathetic. Lucky to see 2 minutes of a game and they talk rubbish, and on the odd occasion when an interesting topic is touched on, once the allotted time is up, its move on regardless.

They also love to shove the hurling on to the end of the show if theres only a hand full of games played so you have to sit through it or try and time it where as it could have been 1st up and done and dusted early.

We would be better served with a 1 hours show on a Monday and another on a Tuesday where all games with cameras could get 10 or so minutes of proper highlights.

My Irish isnt great but I can still absorb 75% of the sideline talk and about 90% of the commentary.

One show I miss was TG4s 'Seo Spoirt'. That was a really good show, it made TSG look like amateur hour.

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118844333#Comment_118844333

I was referencing The Sunday Game to encompass all RTE's coverage which in general i think is very lazy. tbh wasnt paying too close attention to TG4, had it on in corner while glued to Mid West, just think they have always been very innovative in their coverage as opposed to RTE

Manzoor14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118845873#Comment_118845873

Had the exact same issue with TG4 on both Saturday and Sunday. I paused the live TV for a few seconds and then hit play again and it fixed it.

scrubs33

I’ve often thought about how good it would be to have something like the NFL red zone for the leagues. It would have been super last Sunday with everything going on. It wouldn’t have to be for every score or decision just cut away from the main game for a few seconds, show the incident and back again. I know it’s apples and oranges in terms of resources but a man can dream😀

ATR72

Tailteann Cup could be a great competition but I wonder what is better. A dedicated weekend for knockout matches or hold them as curtain raisers to the senior knockout matches.

Must love hardship

The split screen live update will be useful for the last round of Leinster and munster hurling round robins. Only 3 teams to qualify and 4 top teams in leinster playing each other at the same time in the final round.

Also with the Media rights due to expire at the end of 2022 it would be great to see a new player enter the market to shake things up. Be that Virgin, or an online gaa go style player. The current rights probably restricted the amount of games that can be streamed live..

Will be interesting to see if sky keep the rights??

A mid week magazine show that did not include marty Morrisey could be great addition( sky did one last year) and splitting hurling and football Sunday game style review shows during the summer could be a positive. One of the shows could be on a Monday which would allow more times to analyse games at the weekend instead of squashing hurling into a half an hour at the end of the Sunday game..

Also I'd love to see off the ball get some of the gaa live commentary rights back from rte..

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861622#Comment_118861622

Good points especially about Off the Ball, their coverage and build up to their commentary games was excellent, especially for some of the lesser counties, they got great exposure

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861622#Comment_118861622

Best thing that could happen would be RTE losing all coverage. I doubt that will happen but they deserve to, their lack of coverage, poor analysis, promotion etc is holding back the sport now.

Virgin Media really should make a hard go at it, as it's guaranteed ratings for them if they give it a go.

I think Off the Ball will get radio coverage and while I don't agree with much of the political stuff on there, nobody can say their coverage of GAA isn't way above the rest and doesn't leave RTE in the dirt. If they had a TV channel they'd do well too.

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118852925#Comment_118852925

Tailteann Cup will flop, isn't been given the promotion or coverage it needed. Again that's the GAAs fault, the broadcaster will probably barely show the final.

Look at the Division 3/4 coverage and promotion this year for a clue how it will go. Division 3/4 finals Saturday will be in a virtually empty stadium with below 10k fans for a double header.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862475#Comment_118862475

Best thing that could happen would be RTE losing all coverage.

What a stupid statement.

You are aware that it's not up to RTE or any broadcaster to show more coverage.

They buy rights to certain game packages or highlights from the GAA and can only show what they have bought.

So their "lack of coverage" as you call it is for the GAA to sort out not RTE.

And as for virgin getting rights, you can expect 2 mins slots of pregame/HT/FT analysis interspersed with 5 mins of ads between them.

RTEs coverage is as good if not better than any around.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862490#Comment_118862490

But what promotion does the Tailteann Cup need or deserve ?

It's a competition for the 16 worst teams in the country.

Unless you are from those counties there is not that much to get excited about.

Do people really like watching the teams in the bottom half of the premiership play each other ?

Lukekul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862761#Comment_118862761

I think it's all about how it's packaged.

Avoid scheduling clashes with the Sam Maguire games, for instance if Carlow were playing Leitrim on a Friday night knockout game I'd certainly stick it on the telly with zero skin in the game myself.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865133#Comment_118865133

Your example is a poor one.

Anything other than a Saturday or Sunday is a bad time for GAA because of the amateur nature of it.

If the GAA scheduled Carlow v Leitrim for a Friday night they would be showing less respect for the Tailteann Cup than if they put it on on a Saturday or Sunday busy with other games.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865285#Comment_118865285

Don't know why Friday night games keep being proposed. It's not going to happen in an amatuer sport.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862490#Comment_118862490

Well if it flops then I hope people are prepared to go back to the provincial model. Proposal B or a champions league format would both be rubbish.

franglan

No once it fails due to a lack of promotion by the GAA and the media treating it like it's some form of ebola to be in the Tailteann cup we'll have a 16 team all ireland championship and some variation of the Tailteann cup for everyone else.

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862761#Comment_118862761

That attitude sums it up. There would be a lot more interest in it than club GAA, Ladies football and women's rugby that RTE/TG4 show on a regular basis. But that's typical RTE for you. Certainly a lot higher quality than any of that shite your pals in RTE promote.

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862743#Comment_118862743

What an aggressive and defensive reply! Do you work for RTE ? Never heard anybody state their coverage is the best around. Laughable, you must be on the payroll Tod surely or trolling?

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865659#Comment_118865659

Why ? There's a round of u20 county games tonight and club matches Friday around the country.

It's certainly doable with a bit of organisation, for counties with not a big distance to travel. Many players much prefer Friday matches.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865813#Comment_118865813

Players have jobs to go to. You can't expect Carlow and Leitrim to travel around for a game on a Friday night after work.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865777#Comment_118865777

We won't have that if it fails. Failing means counties have no interest and won't bother competing.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865786#Comment_118865786

Women's rugby coverage is tokenism at it's finest, it has no place on main broadcaster like RTE.

Ladies GAA football has been on TG4 for over twenty years and has a niche following, it's a niche sport on a niche station which is fine.

In counties like Carlow club football has a much bigger following than inter county.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865671#Comment_118865671

You mean the qualifier model rather than the provincial model.

The provincial model will still exist, it's just what happens to teams when they lose in the provincial that's different.

The idea of the TC was to stop teams going into seasons knowing that they would get hammered and having nothing to play for.

People use the Mayo v Leitrim Connacht game in 2021 as a perfect example of why something was needed to be done.

But only half the problem is addressed.

Leitrim will still get hammered by Mayo in Connacht, but with the TC the worst they can face after that is the team that came 7th in Div 2, rather than possibly facing another top team again like Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone etc

Breifne Blue

What we will see now again in Tailteann is many players will be off to America for the summer and won't bother with it.

Why should they? If nobody gives a **** about anything outside Division 1, why would any players or supporters buy into the Tailteann Cup?

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866114#Comment_118866114

Quite frankly the media saturation and especially of RTE with rugby is a farce.

There coverage of women's rugby is ridiculous, I have never heard of one person that follows it not one. And yet it gets more coverage on RTE than 95% of GAA county teams or LOI soccer.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866214#Comment_118866214

Yep

We were here before with The Tommy Murphy Cup in the mid 2000s

The Tailteann Cup, even with the changed structure from 2023 onwards is not very different.

For Div 3 and 4 teams, play your provincial, if you don't make the final you are in the secondary competition.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866153#Comment_118866153

If that is the case then shouldn't they be seeded based on strength. Leitrim will still have to play Mayo/Galway/Roscommon but I suppose they can't be afraid of them forever.

Something like this:

Round 1:

Leitrim v London

Sligo v NY

QF:

Leitrim v Sligo

SF:

Mayo v Leitrim/Sligo

Roscommon v Galway

amlinopta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866234#Comment_118866234

The coverage of the women’s rugby is way over the top. They’re now even showing games not involving Ireland, who are useless in any case.

jimdemp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1-SwwaBNSI

Starts talking about GAA coverage criticism at around 1 hour and 4 mins

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118870619#Comment_118870619

I bet you it's part of the contract with the Six Nations or whoever runs the thing. No other reason for why they would do this. Ireland have played 2 internationals in soccer and neither were shown on free to air. There would be lot more interest in that than women's rugby.

ATR72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118870686#Comment_118870686

Fair response. I wouldn't bother showing the Tailteann if I were RTÉ. Stick it on YouTube for the dedicated fans.

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118870818#Comment_118870818

Today was just Rugby all day on RTE. As good as TG4 is, the vast majority cannot understand Irish commentary. So when you have days like today with Division 3 and 4 with lesser known players, it doesn't help attract viewers or interest when people don't know the players.

Breifne Blue

One point I'd make regarding coverage is that in essence Hurling and Football are basically two different sports operated under the one banner.

And many viewers/supporters only follow one code. I would have no real interest in hurling and many hurling folk say the same about football.

So if 50% or more of coverage is hurling/camoige. Then most football viewers are only getting half coverage of football, and vice versa.

Breifne Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118870686#Comment_118870686

He makes some fair points but it is defensive at the same time. Get the feeling he is not a fan of the League and neither are RTE which might explain why TG4 basically run the show there.

Think another issue is Virgin Media's sheer lack of coverage of GAA or sport in general, particularly as a free to air channel. Which leaves too much to RTE and TG4.

I would say RTE and GAA were caught on the hop by the collapse of Eir Sport. Eir Sport had good league coverage showing multiple games at the same time. RTE sold those rights to BBC iPlayer which, was out of reach of 90% of viewers.