Deposit return scheme (recycling)

I would be happy to accept contrary evidence to my own numbers, ideally actual data.

I wonder why re-turn haven't released such data, I have no doubt that if they could say only 20% of items sold since 1 Feb had a deposit paid, they would. It would show that c.50% of items sold with deposit had been collected by them.

Until we get actual data, the anecdote of an anonymous poster buying 6 un-named items at an undisclosed location on a date not shared is not something I will accept as reflecting the actual market either, even if the good poster claims to be 'not typical'.

What I would like to see is the euro amount that is total amount of the difference between deposits and returns.

Someone is making a LOT of money from this and it isnt the victims who are making it.

Someone always makes money from these ridiculous ideas. It’s never the little guy.

It's industrial scale lunacy.

70%+ of the machines I have passed in the past number of weeks have either been shuttered or out of order, with lines of people with bags of trash looking at them wondering what to do.

It's nothing short of a sick control experiment, if you did it to a hamster you would be arrested for animal cruelty.

This ouside the supermarket id say

Macron would end up on an island before the year was done.

To answer a few questions

The breakdown levels seem to be high and in particular in one retailer. Its strange cos with the exception of two of the manufacturers, these machines are around for years. But i do know from work that the down time has reduced consistently since week one and is now getting to where it needs to be.

Attached caps have nothing to do with the scheme. Thats a separate EU law and it is mandatory across the Eu by July 1. The ask to keep them on appears to be with one retailer only and again is not in line with the scheme guidance.

Takeback for online would be hugely expensive. you cant compare a fridge that you buy once to a requirement for a retailer to take back what is possibly the faastest moving consumer good. That said, i think that this may be somethign they end up addressing.

The Google pay thing or some version will probably happen. I would imagine that the intention was to keep it simple from the start.

Shop exemptions are the norm and were demanded by the retail sector. These schemes arent easy to implement and although the retailer gets a fee, for some they wont see the value at first. From what I'm hearing the UK scheme will have even greater exemption levels. Normal shops are not exempt from charging.

Re-turn keeps the unclaimed deposits. It is part of what funds the scheme. Again, this is the norm across schemes.

Why is there no take-back requirement for online delivery? When I buy a new fridge etc the delivery company is required to collect my old one (if I wish). The same should apply here.

Do you want your food delivered in the same vehicle that collects trash? Bottles and cans left outside with rats and dogs píssing on them?

Why the need for a printed voucher? Surely the option for direct pay to Google Pay etc should have been designed from the start?

Because a voucher makes you consume more, not less. The voucher also locks you into that large retailer.

It's to increase footfall to the larger retailers, it's no secret it's on the website.

Why are some shops allowed to be exempt from collection? Are they also exempt from the charge?

I wouldn't shop in a place that also sorted through trash. No one is exempt. The retailer gets charged the deposit.

Manual processing has to be manual inspected one by one, the smaller retailers were asked for hand held scanners but were told no.

Too much hassle.

Who is keeping the balance of the unclaimed amounts?

Re-Turn.

Chit Ching. The harder they fail the richer they get and it's the consumers fault.

You don't think this lunacy was designed for the benefit of the environment or the consumer, do you?

There's talk of increasing the deposit rate to motivate people, but also I think if we do that, then if all machines are broken in a shop, you should be able to get a voucher from customer service and it should be double or triple the deposit fee.

They've still got big sellers like Monster still without deposit. Going to probably be a lot of stuff flogged off cheap in June at this rate.

I do my Tesco shopping online, and from the start of February, only the Re-turn/deposit version of Monster was available (and a very small range too!). I've also seen Monster on sale in Adli, also with the deposit.

I don't go to Dunnes so maybe that's where you have seen the deposit-less version, but I definitely haven't.

Not published yet, but I work in the packaging industry and the last briefing we got was that they were looking at broader exemptions. This may be because other than politics, one of the main reasons the Scotish early launch got binned was retailer antipathy.

Wales has been talking about digital kerbside options for a while but the trials have not stacked up in the way that would suggest a large scheme would work. I would imagine when the new uk regulations are published (possibly in the coming days) that they will leave the door open to a digital solution long term, although probably not a kerbside one.

i've actually stopped buying 24 box cans , can't be fecked tbh

Selling on the returned items, especially the cans.

The issue of how much re-turn are cashing in from unclaimed deposits mentioned at start of Liveline. They are coming to it later in the show.