Deposit return scheme (recycling)

The exemption was originally supposed to be 150 square metres, in the "consultation" it was increased to 250 square metres, seems to be the largest such exemption for the scheme going. That at a stroke took a huge number of outlets out from accepting returns, especially manual returns.

Another example of where we didn't just copy the schemes from elsewhere, and needs to be looked at if we don't meet the targets.

Submissions were welcome about scheme in 2020, 364+ made https://www.gov.ie/en/consultation/cf94c-deposit-return-scheme-consultation-on-potential-models-for-ireland/

Tomra made a submission and they won the contract https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/153847/b61cba66-bed5-4e24-bede-4291504f37b2.pdf#page=null .

Tomra has 50+ years’ experience working in deposit return systems around the world, across all parts of the value chain. TOMRA’s approximately 82,000 reverse vending machines, in over 60 markets, collect more than 45 billion drink containers for recycling each year.

There is a link on the front of Independent.ie requesting feedback on this scheme:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tell-us-your-experience-of-using-the-new-re-turn-bottle-and-can-recycling-machines/a634477457.html

Return rate is about 20% assuming only half the stock sold since introduction has required a deposit

I think there may well be some beer bargains from mid May.

Retailers will have a choice, either reduce to MUP price and clear them or risk fines for selling without deposit after June 1st.

Some slower moving premium beers might be good value.

Once one environmental scientist states the deposit is too low we all know what happens down the road. No matter how this goes the fact the people in charge of it can never be held accountable is a joke because it's a CLG and god forbid somehow they could be all you need nowadays is a doctors note to avoid answering those awkward questions like so many lately have used.

And when your waste collection company is not getting the valuable recycle items from your bin, do you think they will give you a credit for collecting less waste?

Yes, but only if the self service machine is a cash/card type. If card only, you must print a receipt and go to customer services to claim the amount owed!

Sorry, I didn't realise that.

I withdraw my accusation of industrial sabotage.

Most of us!

I'm that other poster. I looked at websites at two points in March, it was over 80% then.

It's undoubtedly over 90% now.

I was in a couple of convenience stores last Friday and did a shelf label count on their chillers. One had 132 items, of which 9 had no deposit, the other had 109 of which 4 had no deposit.

Look, you can say your 6 items is 'not atypical' but when I give my estimate I try to look at as many items as I can. It's not just about items either, it's volumes ... So a canned craft beer that sells a couple of thousand bottles a month is not really meaningful when all of Coca Cola is deposit chargeable, etc. We are also 1 month past the date when non deposit items can be supplied, and the higher volume items sell mostly as fast moving goods.

You mention Monster and specifically state it's being sold without deposit. I checked 4 supermarkets just now for Monster drinks:

Dunnes - 26 items, all with deposit

Tesco - 20 items, all with deposit

SuperValu - 24 items, 19 with deposit

Aldi - 1 item, 1 with deposit

So Monster is above 90% too.

I'm thinking and could be wrong but even if the return payment was paid to you bank account then that would be in your quarterly bill to check.

But it would be a transfer of money and cost you.

Anyway I can't get to a RVM and will continue with green bin. It will cost alot but so did other sh1t they come up with and one just has to put up with it until someone stands up to them.

Isn't the mandate to reach a certain level of recycling rate? Not necessarily requiring this scheme.

I'm almost sure that it was said originally that nearly all retailers would have to accept returned bottles