Deposit return scheme (recycling)

I imagine ReTurn will wait for the end of the year to release how much has been paid out.

The cynic in me thinks because it will be a biiig number, and we will all have been using RVM for so long that, we won't 'care' and the program can then be hailed an utter success.

50 euro a month maintenance fee for a RVM once the warranty runs out. They must be joking. I wonder how many engineer call outs are included in the 600 euro a year fee. Probably 2 at most, and a hefty fee afterwards.

 You can buy anywhere and return anywhere

Who told you that nonsense?

The voucher can be redeemed for cash, but retailers prefer to give credit as that is better both for cash flow and revenue

The scheme is designed to make it as hard as possible to get your cash back. Remember this is supposed to cost neutral to the consumer right? Which is hilarious in itself.

The big retailers prefer vouchers because it guarantees footfall because you are locked into that retailer, vouchers are designed to make you consume more not less.

Because all this is for the environment, isn't it?

Imagine the same thing for a trolley, you pay 2 euro to borrow the trolley, you return it and get a voucher back, a voucher you can then redeem in store or queue up to get your 2 euro back.

It's just convenient for all.

I can buy a can of Fanta in my local shop but not be able to return it to that shop because the shop is exempt from excepting returns.

Ah I see. I live in a village in Dublin that to be fair, does seem to be well supplied with machines.

I'd be lying if I said I returned more than 10% of my cans or bottles to an RVM but the odd time I do, I've noticed my local SuperValu's machine is almost never out of order, compared to other places that are very unreliable. If I had to go through the process of wandering around til I found a machine, or a machine that worked, I'd....well, I just wouldn't.

I'd like to see the figures of % of 2L bottles that were already recycled vs the % (and presumably massive increase) of recycled 2L bottles under this scheme. I don't see 2L bottles ever littering the streets, they are household items in the main, and ended up in recycle bins. (330ml/500ml are convenience and do litter, so the scheme may have been more appropriate for them ONLY instead of carting big bags of 2L bottles around the place.)

FFFS.

Meanwhile, ditch those caps and please fúck off and recycle in the obvious way when the maching is broke!

Yeah, I got irrationally annoyed by that message in LIDL. If I've had rejects in other stores I've brought them home or put them into a general bin. That LIDL message would just convince me to drop them beside the machine.

They should be hauled before a Dáil committee and obliged to cough up the figures. Seems to be about the only way to get these types accountable now. Which is a real indictment of our PS and assoc quangos.

They could be invited to attend a meeting of the Committee on Environment and Climate Action.

And if they say no? Or if they abscond to the Bahamas?

Not a QUANGO, not part of the Public Service so the Dail has no oversight?!? Does this still sound like a good idea to the fanboys on here?

What happens when we miss these targets ?

77% separate collection target for plastic bottles by 2025, increasing to 90% by 2029. 

There seems to be nothing in re-turn to make them meet these targets set by the EU.

I whack rejected bottles into the back of the Lidl machine. Partly as they no longer have bin to leave them in, mainly as it relieves the stress of having a bottle I paid the tax on rejected. In this modern world our mental wellbeing takes precedence!

In saying that, am I correct in thinking that Lidl (all shops) are legally required to accept back packaging on products you bought from them?

Although if someone can come up with a better term I'll all ears, otherwise it is just another unaccountable QUANGO mandated on us by the government, with seemingly zero accountability to justify their salaries.

Nonquango? Although Im sure that is the capital city of some banana republic somewhere… Banana Republic you say? Yep, sounds about right.

So its more of a habit with me and my family now ,I get a coffee every morning in a shop with a return machine so I throw in the empties and get my money back and use the voucher towards the cost of the coffee which actually feels like a discount

I had 2 large green bins at home that were both full every month but now only use one

I've only come across the machine out of order once and just put the returns back in the car until next day so I like the system

It's probably classed like a cafe. McDonalds are exempt too. Same with the restaurant/cafe in Connolly Hospital, which I think is fairly mean too.

The exemption was originally supposed to be 150 square metres, in the "consultation" it was increased to 250 square metres, seems to be the largest such exemption for the scheme going. That at a stroke took a huge number of outlets out from accepting returns, especially manual returns.

Another example of where we didn't just copy the schemes from elsewhere, and needs to be looked at if we don't meet the targets.

Submissions were welcome about scheme in 2020, 364+ made https://www.gov.ie/en/consultation/cf94c-deposit-return-scheme-consultation-on-potential-models-for-ireland/

Tomra made a submission and they won the contract https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/153847/b61cba66-bed5-4e24-bede-4291504f37b2.pdf#page=null .

Tomra has 50+ years’ experience working in deposit return systems around the world, across all parts of the value chain. TOMRA’s approximately 82,000 reverse vending machines, in over 60 markets, collect more than 45 billion drink containers for recycling each year.

There is a link on the front of Independent.ie requesting feedback on this scheme:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tell-us-your-experience-of-using-the-new-re-turn-bottle-and-can-recycling-machines/a634477457.html

Return rate is about 20% assuming only half the stock sold since introduction has required a deposit

I think there may well be some beer bargains from mid May.

Retailers will have a choice, either reduce to MUP price and clear them or risk fines for selling without deposit after June 1st.

Some slower moving premium beers might be good value.

I've already seen barcodeless Heineken slab/box cans split out and stickered at MUP. Harder to shift stuff that often sells close to/at MUP anyway so best to give it as long as possible to go.

All the premium Belgians etc my local place sells are nearly always glass so no bargains to be had there unfortunately!

Once one environmental scientist states the deposit is too low we all know what happens down the road. No matter how this goes the fact the people in charge of it can never be held accountable is a joke because it's a CLG and god forbid somehow they could be all you need nowadays is a doctors note to avoid answering those awkward questions like so many lately have used.

And when your waste collection company is not getting the valuable recycle items from your bin, do you think they will give you a credit for collecting less waste?

Yes, but only if the self service machine is a cash/card type. If card only, you must print a receipt and go to customer services to claim the amount owed!

Sorry, I didn't realise that.

I withdraw my accusation of industrial sabotage.