Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Saw another issue with these yesterday.

Went to collect the nieces from a birthday party. I bought a few of the kids some drinks. Fantas cokes etc.

While i was talking to the parents the staff came around grabbing the cans that the kids were not finished drinking. Deposits paid on them all. I told them to leave the cans there that they werent finished yet. I already knew i would never get my deposit back as i wasnt collecting them myself from each child and taking them away with me.

Didnt stop the staff trying it though.

But here is a situation where i paid a deposit on 8 cans and will never see it back myself. Maybe the odd kid will get some back. I suspect most wont. The play center will probably get most of the money i paid though when they collect the cans that were left afterwards.

The whole system is another con on the consumer.

Article in the Sunday Times yesterday.

A couple of things that stood out to me.

1. As of last Thursday, 37.5 million items have been returned. It'd be interesting if they would publish how many items deposits have been paid on and we could see a percentage.
2. An environmental scientist and policy advisor believes the deposit may be too low;

“Fifteen cents hasn’t been enough to get my son motivated to go and pick up rubbish to get that money, which is interesting,” she said.

No mention of whether she'd go picking up rubbish for 15 cents but expects her son to. Do as I say and not as I do. Hardly surprising given her occupation.

3. A service station that could obtain an exemption is thinking of withdrawing from the scheme.

What will motivate someone to return the cans are the availability of machines.

Of course that won't happen and whacking up the fee is the only thing that will happen.

We need to get out of this mindset of "motivating" people by charging them

How often does the bin truck come?

Shine said the 15c refund may not be a big enough incentive for people to return their containers. “Fifteen cents hasn’t been enough to get my son motivated to go and pick up rubbish to get that money, which is interesting,” she said.

What a bizarre comment to make about your son. Of course it's not enough motivation, what can a kid buy for 15c these days? They'd need to pick up 8 or 9 undamaged cans and bring them back to the nearest machine - and hope it's working - just to be able to buy a can of coke which they can probably pick out of their fridge. Also, from a young age we teach kids not to touch stuff that's on the ground - 'put it down, that's dirty'. Now we're expecting kids to hunt around looking for undamaged cans? Does this person leave in the real world?

You are lucky with your 2 bins we have 4, general waste, food bin, recycle bin and now the bottle/can bin, practically my own recycling centre in the corner of the kitchen.

The main issue is with this scheme is that it removes the freedom to shop around. So you have to buy your drinks in the shop where you brought them back too. I use to go to the shop that were doing the best offers, usually of soft drinks and would buy there but now that is not the case because you can use the voucher in the shop were you deposited the bottles or cans. Is it really worth it going in to get the cash. The most that I have got out of the machine is €12.20. Even worse when you are buying a drink on the go, do you bring a bottle back for the 15c?

Where as if they had a system were you bring the bottles back and you can get the money refunded to your account would be better or even if they introduced a return card that you swipe and get credit on it and then that card can be used in any shop and not just were you brought the bottles and cans back to would be better.

You can't return anywhere. You can buy from a cafe but not return to that cafe. Or smaller shops.

Re-turn have never released the number of items on which deposits have been paid. This can only be because they are not great.

They like to mention big numbers like 37.5m containers returned (hoping we will all be somewhere impressed we will not ask for any other data) but 5m containers a day are sold here, 37.5m items is not great.

Until someone can provide solid evidence to the contrary, I contend that the daily rate of items sold with deposit is currently comfortably over 90%. I base this on a number of checks both online and in-store I have done over recent weeks. It's really only odds and ends now that are available without deposit.

It will be 100% from 1 June, I guess re-turn are hoping the daily returns get over 3m a day as a minimum. Daily numbere are running at or maybe a little less than half that now.

I imagine ReTurn will wait for the end of the year to release how much has been paid out.

The cynic in me thinks because it will be a biiig number, and we will all have been using RVM for so long that, we won't 'care' and the program can then be hailed an utter success.

50 euro a month maintenance fee for a RVM once the warranty runs out. They must be joking. I wonder how many engineer call outs are included in the 600 euro a year fee. Probably 2 at most, and a hefty fee afterwards.

 You can buy anywhere and return anywhere

Who told you that nonsense?

The voucher can be redeemed for cash, but retailers prefer to give credit as that is better both for cash flow and revenue

The scheme is designed to make it as hard as possible to get your cash back. Remember this is supposed to cost neutral to the consumer right? Which is hilarious in itself.

The big retailers prefer vouchers because it guarantees footfall because you are locked into that retailer, vouchers are designed to make you consume more not less.

Because all this is for the environment, isn't it?

Imagine the same thing for a trolley, you pay 2 euro to borrow the trolley, you return it and get a voucher back, a voucher you can then redeem in store or queue up to get your 2 euro back.

It's just convenient for all.

I can buy a can of Fanta in my local shop but not be able to return it to that shop because the shop is exempt from excepting returns.

Ah I see. I live in a village in Dublin that to be fair, does seem to be well supplied with machines.

I'd be lying if I said I returned more than 10% of my cans or bottles to an RVM but the odd time I do, I've noticed my local SuperValu's machine is almost never out of order, compared to other places that are very unreliable. If I had to go through the process of wandering around til I found a machine, or a machine that worked, I'd....well, I just wouldn't.

I'd like to see the figures of % of 2L bottles that were already recycled vs the % (and presumably massive increase) of recycled 2L bottles under this scheme. I don't see 2L bottles ever littering the streets, they are household items in the main, and ended up in recycle bins. (330ml/500ml are convenience and do litter, so the scheme may have been more appropriate for them ONLY instead of carting big bags of 2L bottles around the place.)

FFFS.

Meanwhile, ditch those caps and please fúck off and recycle in the obvious way when the maching is broke!