Macron would end up on an island before the year was done.
I am not against the idea behind the deposit return scheme. It works in many other countries and we had a version of it many years ago in terms of glass bottles.
But, as is usual in many aspects of Irish life, the rollout seems to have been incredibly badly handled. Instead of going out to minimise any, relatively easy-to-foresee, issues by over servicing etc, they seem to have taken the approach that in effect it is a full-on beta test and things will simply work over time.
Of course, that is true, as there is no other option. But it's going to lead to significant negative feelings about the scheme and that will lead to lower return rates and people will eventually opt to simply take charge of an additional price increase and simply throw out the cans/bottles in the green bin.
Why are the machines breaking down so much?
Why introduce bottle caps that stay fixed whilst asking for bottle caps to be removed?
Why is there no take-back requirement for online delivery? When I buy a new fridge etc the delivery company is required to collect my old one (if I wish). The same should apply here.
Why the need for a printed voucher? Surely the option for direct pay to Google Pay etc should have been designed from the start?
Why are some shops allowed to be exempt from collection? Are they also exempt from the charge?
Who is keeping the balance of the unclaimed amounts?
This ouside the supermarket id say
Imagine if the French government tried to implement a scheme exactly the same as Re-Turn.
It's industrial scale lunacy.
70%+ of the machines I have passed in the past number of weeks have either been shuttered or out of order, with lines of people with bags of trash looking at them wondering what to do.
It's nothing short of a sick control experiment, if you did it to a hamster you would be arrested for animal cruelty.
Indeed.
The scheme is generating hundreds of thousands of Euros in excess deposits per day. Some of this cash is legitimately designed and is needed to fund the operation of the scheme. The remainder, what is done with it, and how decisions are being made should be of interest to us all.
At some point we will find out.
Someone always makes money from these ridiculous ideas. It’s never the little guy.
It's coming up on Claire Byrne again today.
What I would like to see is the euro amount that is total amount of the difference between deposits and returns.
Someone is making a LOT of money from this and it isnt the victims who are making it.
Yep the mandate in directives so far was for returns. But no country has reached the mandate level without a DRS. The new EU regulations (PPWR) make it mandatory unless you have an 80% collection rate by 2026/27.
I would be happy to accept contrary evidence to my own numbers, ideally actual data.
I wonder why re-turn haven't released such data, I have no doubt that if they could say only 20% of items sold since 1 Feb had a deposit paid, they would. It would show that c.50% of items sold with deposit had been collected by them.
Until we get actual data, the anecdote of an anonymous poster buying 6 un-named items at an undisclosed location on a date not shared is not something I will accept as reflecting the actual market either, even if the good poster claims to be 'not typical'.
Yes and then they realized they needed to get retailers onboard
I'm almost sure that it was said originally that nearly all retailers would have to accept returned bottles
I’m no engineer but the first time I used the machine I felt like I used to Xmas morning when assembling a surprisingly flimsy Santa gift for the kids and praying to would last the day at least. Having the barcode reader under the barcode surely result in grime build up.
Isn't the mandate to reach a certain level of recycling rate? Not necessarily requiring this scheme.
This is a mandate from the EU for all member states by 2025, nothing to do with the greens.
I'm thinking and could be wrong but even if the return payment was paid to you bank account then that would be in your quarterly bill to check.
But it would be a transfer of money and cost you.
Anyway I can't get to a RVM and will continue with green bin. It will cost alot but so did other sh1t they come up with and one just has to put up with it until someone stands up to them.
Supermarket websites don't reflect stock in all their own shops let alone no convenience stores - which is where most sales of non multipack <1L occur.
There are shops with Coca Cola products that aren't chargeable still.
Nothing at all suggests it's 90% or close to me, and your methodology remains as invalid as ever. It gives a snapshot of something but that something isn't the actual market.
I'm that other poster. I looked at websites at two points in March, it was over 80% then.
It's undoubtedly over 90% now.
I was in a couple of convenience stores last Friday and did a shelf label count on their chillers. One had 132 items, of which 9 had no deposit, the other had 109 of which 4 had no deposit.
Look, you can say your 6 items is 'not atypical' but when I give my estimate I try to look at as many items as I can. It's not just about items either, it's volumes ... So a canned craft beer that sells a couple of thousand bottles a month is not really meaningful when all of Coca Cola is deposit chargeable, etc. We are also 1 month past the date when non deposit items can be supplied, and the higher volume items sell mostly as fast moving goods.
You mention Monster and specifically state it's being sold without deposit. I checked 4 supermarkets just now for Monster drinks:
Dunnes - 26 items, all with deposit
Tesco - 20 items, all with deposit
SuperValu - 24 items, 19 with deposit
Aldi - 1 item, 1 with deposit
So Monster is above 90% too.
Another joyous return from Lidl where both machines not working and dragging a big bag of cans and bottles back home with the shopping
The sooner the Greens are obliterated in the GE the better - useless shower with fanciful ideas and not a notion about them.
Most of us!
It seems fairly obvious that the majority of people are taking it as a price increase at the point of purchase and are just continuing on as normal, chucking stuff in their green bins (or just dropping it on the street, or throwing it out a car window, or putting it in one of the occasional on-street bins available) and not bothering to travel somewhere to queue to return, get a voucher and then queue to redeem the voucher.
Who knew:-)
Sorry, I didn't realise that.
I withdraw my accusation of industrial sabotage.
It is a clear shute which drops into the bottle collection hopper. Once in the hopper the machine crushes them, accepted or rejected. The only difference is the belt or momentum propelling the item along.
Yes, but only if the self service machine is a cash/card type. If card only, you must print a receipt and go to customer services to claim the amount owed!
for anyone who has used the vouchers at self service machines: if I have €2.50 worth of stuff to buy, but I have a voucher for 5.00, will I get the 2.50 back in change from the self service checkout? logic would say yes very simple procedure but logic…
And when your waste collection company is not getting the valuable recycle items from your bin, do you think they will give you a credit for collecting less waste?
It asks if you’ve visited a machine in last ten days. Then it asks if it was working. I completed the survey and I’ve only had (bar one time) negative experience of the system.
My local machine still not working. That’s over 3 weeks now.
Once one environmental scientist states the deposit is too low we all know what happens down the road. No matter how this goes the fact the people in charge of it can never be held accountable is a joke because it's a CLG and god forbid somehow they could be all you need nowadays is a doctors note to avoid answering those awkward questions like so many lately have used.
They'll probably keep reporting numbers and appear happy so far comparing to schemes in other countries but it'll be June 2025 before you can really start to evaluate the success of it
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