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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    An actual ignore function would remove the likelihood of clicking into an area you don't want to visit, when you browse via "Latest Posts" or "Recent Discussions" instead of by forum.

    Anyway, it was just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I was told twice by different admins I couldn’t.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Fair enough. I always thought threadbans were a HelpDesk matter.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I PM’d the mod, who happens to be an admin and got short shrift. The 2nd time it happened I appealed to other admins, I was told nothing could be done. Threadban can’t be appealed.

    I won’t name names as I don’t want to make this about me. I want to make it about process fairness.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    This isn’t meant as a slight on you because you are being honest but when a poster who has been on the site since 2008 and is a C-mod on the site isn’t sure about one version of an appeals process does work say a lot really how convoluted some of the stuff on Boards is.

    Regards,

    P.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Have to say, lots of the moderation is skewed towards a left leaning (some might say far left). I hold more center right views which many disagree with, thats fine it is supposed to be a discussion forum after all.

    Any opposing views lead to moderation being quick to ban on a thread.

    I'm not political. I do have opinions though and have stopped posting on any hint of political posts.

    It's interesting that you can take a ban to HelpDesk. I was also told that you have to take it up with the moderator involved. Needless to say, nothing was ever resolved as there is no point in arguing a case on an opinion piece on the internet.

    It's a shame that open discussion (yes i know that requires moderation) is stymied by one sided moderation.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Threadbans and complaints against moderators are normally dealt with in Helpdesk. They are not handled in the Dispute Resolution Forum.

    The DRP is only for points warnings and forum bans.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's how I always understood it. I've never, ever handled a DRP about a threadban.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’ve found that to be untrue in my own case. A lack of a clear procedure left with no option but to give up and walk away in frustration.

    To me it’s simple. Just allow the same procedure as you’d have for a forum ban for a thread ban. I said this at the time of my failed appeal and no one responded.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Taking a step back, does that process make sense to you?

    It seems confusing for users.

    What's the rationale that the DRP process cannot look at thread bans but Helpdesk can?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    it’s the lack of clear process that bothers me, not the personal impact.

    I was bitterly disappointed with how my appeal was handled, because there was a lack of process. So much so, I won’t post in a forum moderated by that person again as it’s too high risk or a repeat. Entirely my own choice.

    I bring it up to highlight a potential problem that can be easily fixed, not to get sympathy.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Has it always gone on where posters will openly gaslight you ? In the last week or so there are at least three posters who will call you a liar (happened to me just today); deny facts (when facts have been linked to) and are very uncivil!!

    I’d prefer not to be one of those who constantly report seemingly minor things but it’s very annoying!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    Report away. If its the same posters Im thinking off they would do the same to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I think I might have to - the other day I was told to prove something that I believed would happen. It’s my belief, how can I prove that ??

    But when I’m told “that is a blatant lie” and I show evidence no reply - or more gaslighting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    A lot of people citing the Vanilla changeover as the site killer….

    I would say modding is what's killing the site, or at least the quality of modding. Why would people come back?

    Have been a member of Boards since 2007, and modding is the worst it has ever been now. I got multiple warnings in that Deposit Recycling Scheme thread and the person I was niggling with got a couple too. I'd say neither of us think the other deserved a warning at all. It's stupid stuff altogether and just sucks the life out of the site.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    So when I was modding CA the basic reasoning behind this was given to us that...

    A thread ban is essentially a moderator instruction that you have to follow. It does not appear on your permanent record therefore can't be handled by the standard DRP process.

    Whereas any warnings do appear under your profile (visible to mods, C-Mods and admins) so can be appealed via DRP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I had a very similar experience to you.

    Posted a thread on a threadban on HelpDesk. A mod there moved it to DRP (without the courtesy of informing me or even putting a note on the thread saying they'd moved it.)

    I then got told off on DRP for posting in the wrong area!

    I was also told that I had no right to having my issue reviewed by an Admin, but "I could ask an Admin to look at it as a favour".

    I really wouldn't be bothered with it again. Waste of time.

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    that’s fine. But it doesn’t make sense to me.

    I’m thread banned. I ask the moderator to reconsider- I’m told no. I contact admins and C mods. They tell me I can’t appeal a threadban. So I walk away annoyed.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I don’t know whether it is permissible to name posters and so I’ll err on the side of caution and not - but this is the thread I was talking about.

    Actual facts posted, from more than one poster and from different sources (lest there be an accusation of it being “the wrong source”) and instead of an argument or debate, there is obfuscation and lengthy wordy posts that say nothing but gaslight.

    I’m starting to not really enjoy posting and it’s generally very interesting to be here but one or two bad apples are really off putting. It’s great to discuss with people who disagree, but the disingenuity is really annoying.



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  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    you can in help desk.
    I don’t know who told you otherwise or why they did but they are wrong. You can and plenty have done so.

    Edit to add; I would definitely recommend it’s merged into DRP though. Regardless if it is attached to your profile etc is immaterial, I think making disputes easier to conduct and not harder for posters is the best way forward imo.
    not my decision to make of course but I certainly would suggest it’s considered anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I saw that and laughed in the context of this thread, adds virtually nothing to those discussions and the cause of many quarrels as you say. I'd say many posters there breathed a sign of relief when they were gone and groaned last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    There does seem to be an issue when mods, C-mod and Admins in this thread alone are all giving different answers on how and where to appeal certain issues so then the question needs to be asked to those in charge how is the average poster supposed to understand the processes is if those deemed to be overseeing the moderation of the site are giving different answers.

    Regards,

    P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yep, that's why I suggested thread bans should expire after a set time. The current set up is designed to annoy standard posters. It may be appropriate for posters deliberately trolling and setting out to disrupt. But for the more general poster who just gets frustrated & dragged into a silly comment by one of the low level trolls, then reported - there should be a simple way.

    And of course I realise that could be seen at odds with comment above, so perhaps three strikes and you're out of the thread.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Can I just ask posters, what is it you enjoy about Boards.ie?

    There's a lot of negativity and giving out from posters but there must be positives for all those people to keep posting.

    So can we just see what do people get from it? What do they feel works well? What keeps them coming back even with all the problems already outlined.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    See the way I'd view thread bans would be for repeated, consistent bad behaviour in a thread rather than an immediate act so the regular user might get a slap on the wrist for a once off reaction that breaks the rules, but the troll gets the boot to the curb for constant derailment of the thread.

    Maybe they aren't being used in that way, I honestly can't say but that's how I've always applied them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Habit.

    Pure and simple.

    Its a bad habit that is hard to break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I genuinely enjoy a range of discussions about many topics, and when posters are genuine and put forward their honest opinion - even though we may disagree, there can be such an interesting time here!

    I do think there are some posters who see a poster they disagree with and actively try to get them removed, even temporarily by their conduct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    DIY thread - fooking brilliant!



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I just check the same threads I’ve been on for years mostly these days. But there’s a nice range of discussion to be had. Nowhere else can I discuss lifting weights, snooker, cycling and Star Trek on one platform

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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