Clean Air/Congestion Charging set to be introduced by 2030

"an average is correct" no it's not

I picked the Golf v eGolf as an example to show how wrong you are in terms of "twice the weight". Also gave an example of the new ID.3.

Now you can run around for another few posts without admitting you are wrong but I have zero interest. So bang away

Ah yes complaining about having no options in a city. Make sense.

Makes me laugh when I see a post about the "Motoring poor"….

Back in the day(even 25 years ago) if your family had a car you were seen as being well off, and most of us who didn't have a car walked/cycled or got the bus to where you wanted to go… Now you're poor if you have a car??

I call B.S on the "poor worker" example…..

I don't see a vast cohort of shop workers/minimum wage workers in city centres who have access to free car-parking so one would assume that private car parks are being used and for quick example that's €200 a month in Cork city, add in the cost of running a car, insurance, tax, NCT, Fuel, say another €400 in monthly payments… so in reality how many of these workers after paying €600 a month for the privilege of a private carriage into their minimum wage job is there? Very very few if any! Apart from the fact that there's a large number of people who have come from abroad to work in these low paying jobs that don't have the cash to purchase a private car and a place to park it at home or have passed a driving test…

If we don't want cycle lanes with bollards, then we need drivers to respect basic traffic markings and not park on cycle lanes and footpaths.

100% agree with you, I would NEVER park in a cycle lane or on a footpath or stop in a yellow box. I think people just have a park it anywhere attitude and the quality of driving on Irish roads is crap. I still don't understand why they don't lift cars? It would be an incredible deterrent and a money maker

On the traffic survey numbers, how many people would need to be involved in faking the results of a survey like this? Do you not think that any one of the five or ten people that would be involved would leak the fact of any faked survey to the press or to the Ditch or whoever?

No one cares enough. And even if you did win and prove your point nothing would be done. Someone high up (Probably not an elected person) decided cycle lanes are happening. Same way someone decided to rip up the train and tram lines years ago cause Cars and Buses were happening.

Maybe I'll go out there one morning and count them myself, I guarantee no one would give a sh*t and more likely I'd be ridiculed for doing it, or be told I faked the results.

It still sounds like you just want others to support your expensive, and driving habits. They can breath in your exhaust fumes while their public transport carrying 80 people in one go is delayed by giving priority, your personal transport carrying one person.

Yea I still think the "Motoring Poor" is complete Bull… Apart from that, how sustainable is having a fleet of old bangers clogging up City streets? The answer is it's not..

As for your other comment "sorting out public transport" …Pure hyperbole!!

Dublin Bus has 136 routes going through the city, add in Luas, Dart, Suburban rail, private bus companies just how much more "sorting out" would you like? Answer: by reducing the numbers of private vehicles' in the core city centre which are causing delays for public transport then it becomes more efficient…

If you want to drive your private vehicle through the city centre streets then no one is stopping you..you're on the wrong crusade here.

So you need a car to get to work on time due to congestion, caused by cars.

Your solution to that problem is to encourage more cars.

Good luck with that.

See you've made that point before. Live somewhere without public transport. Then complain there's no public transport. Complaining about congestion (charge) while creating, being that congestion. Same thing as complaining about big business, while sustaining that business through consumption and promotion of their products.

Its going around in circles, literally and figuratively.

Have you ever been to Dublin? Because even if you are fortunate enough to live near a train or Luas line, it might be of limited use to you because of insane levels of overcrowding. And ever since the Cross City Luas was done, the College Street conflict even causes congestion of buses sometimes. Anyone who doesn't think Dublin needs a lot more trains, metros, trams etc cannot be taken seriously.

As to car mobility being expensive, one trivia factoid is that back in the Soviet Union, they showed the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" to the Soviet people to show them horrible life was in the capitalist West, only to pull it when the Soviet people saw that even the poorest people in the US could own a car. And given that there are almost 3.3 million driver licenses/permits in this country, I'd say people value their mobility.

I think you're on the wrong thread here, this is about reducing gridlock in the core city centre areas, it's not about stopping you from doing anything.

If a congestion charge is full implemented then the funds can go towards road improvements, active travel and making public transport more efficient due to not having to compete with private individuals in vehicles.

Like I said a number of posts ago, you're on the wrong crusade here..

Have a vent here:

Zero-car households will pay the least, one-car households the next least, two-car households a certain amount, and those households with big cars for everyone aged over 17 will pay the most, pretty progressive if you ask me.

https://www.thejournal.ie/motorists-strong-support-reduce-car-traffic-dublin-city-6345649-Apr2024

there we have it, if the journal says so it must be true

I actually agree with you the charges should be proportional, but not to each individuals wages that would be an administrative nightmare! Would have to charge separate amounts to say a families shared car between the adult children/spouse.. who was driving at the time like??

The charges can be like crossing the East Link toll bridge, less for motorcycles, more for cars and more for trucks..

Public transport into the city is very reliable, the only times there's delays is when coming from the city centre due to congestion caused by private vehicles, generally clogging bus lanes too! A city centre congestion charge will alleviate that.