Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Wouldn't an app that allows you to scan the vouchers the RVMs print into an account and then create a new barcode at any stage that allows any credit built up to be used anywhere or transferred to a card or bank account.

Judgemental much?

The big retailers have their paw prints all over this scheme. Question is why did the Green Minister allow them???? Follow the money???

Dublin airport has water fountains airside where you can fill up bottles. No need to use toilets.

I know that it was another poster who mentioned taps.

I said in earlier posts that I've been using the hydration stations (fountains) for years.

Depends where you go, most places were the same price as here. Most of the homeless used the money in McDonald's for what was essentially a plastic burger for a dollar

just finished reading that. So basically their current return rate is 10.5%. Very long way from their target goal of 90!
But then again i can also look at this in a different way that disgusts me, that way being that the other 89.5% of return logo stock purchased (that ones that was'nt returned), they've gotten to keep all the deposits on.

it feels really backwards towards their goal and more befitting off of people buying more plastic/tin and not recycling them via the rvm. Return stand to benefit more from people's non-participate after buying a return logo container. We can really see more and more now that this scheme is more about money than anything else. The whole pro-green thing is just a bonus plus for PR. Stats and money appear to be the priority here.

i've calculated, out of the 200 million containers sold and only 21,018,360 returned. Re-turn has made anywhere between €26,847,246 and €44,745,410 from the unreturned containers/unclaimed deposits thusfar. (almost 27 mil at the least and 45 million at the very most possible) And thus people who are buying the containers and binning/squishing them are giving return free money, only encouraging return further via financially supporting them.

I am a religous recycler of aluminium cans and plastics and glass. It simple pays to recycle, I am very particular about my green and brown bins making sure everything is in the correct bin. This scheme is a pain in the back side. I went to lidl the other day about 4pm there was a que for the recycle machine hindering access and exit from the store. I spoke to the casheir and he said its a pain for staff as it regularly blocks up and they need to send someone from the floor to fix it so they are a person down. Ohhh well Ill have to get used to it so!

yes exactly, and the thing is this €27-45 million is just extra money they took from people, extra money people had to pay on the purchase of those products, extra money that never needed to be added in the first place if ireland were properly handing our recycleables and actually recycling instead of burning and selling them to begin with. caused this mess and the consumers are being made to clean it up and being punished for it.

The low recycling numbers is their problem not ours, and they're making money off of their own problem. It does'nt matter if they're a not-for-profit or whatever excuse/wherever the money is put into, the fact still stands that they're taking that extra money from customers who now have to pay more money on drink things they buy. in a way its bullying and a blatant extortion no matter how they mask it.

conclusion: if we buy drinks we're being forced to partake in helping them fix their problem of low recycling stats, in return what do we get? nothing, we break even at best! minus the time spent partaking, we're actually at a loss as we cannot get time back. Meanwhile those of us who disregard our deposits being held at ransom and decide to forgo them entirely (willingly or unwillingly as some don't have a choice) by taking it as a tax and not using the rvm's (those who don't help fix the problem of low recycling stats) are being robbed/taxed for not helping fix the country's recycling numbers problem. we help we get no reward or payment, just our own money back. we don't help we get deposit taxed, we don't buy the products with the deposit fee then we're forced to buy from the north or entirely do without the product. We're being snookered here lads. Unless manufacterers start making non-deposit taxable containers, but who's to say they won't be greedy and charge even more money for them! already seen the whole airport water increase via pro green container scandal. whether its true or not, its still serves as an example. When it comes to more enviormentally friendly packaging, we shouldn't be forced to pay extra for that! its bs.

Those doors are just so ridiculous, I assumed they would not open when alcohol was not allowed to be sold but they are retract all the time. Just such an odd idea. I am however impressed with the mechanical mechanism that is ables to retract an open them thousands of times a day with a very small failure rate.

They’re not free though, everyone pays tax towards it.

What do you mean? I pay taxes like everyone else - but we never had a collection service, free or otherwise till a private company came in and started serving the area. Was and still are glad to pay them for this as saved a lot of hassle.

Maybe my taxes were paying for your free service as well and now you have to pony up?? Life's tough ain't it :)

Not particularly. I don’t pay for bins currently. So it’s no skin off my nose. How about being annoyed at your local council rather than other poster over your lack of refuse collection, more chance of the issue being resolved, especially with local elections coming up.

I'm all for paying for services and utilities, but the likes of refuse collection, water and such should be public services. Whether they are paid for at the point of service or via general taxation is less of an issue for me.

do you not feel the design of the recycle bin is flawed and every time you open it, if not under a shelter, it lets in water in this country and all the items inside the bin get soaked?

i understand what both of you are saying, but i think the main issue is'nt "paying for the service" itself, but rather the fact that the council used to deal with waste collection but then sold it off to private bin companies as a service to compete for by privatizing it which then in turn allows the companys to come up with their own prices and payment options for this "service" rather than having it being done seemingly free like it was once before

(i know it actually wasnt ever free and obviously the money for it came from somwhere or from some tax or other, but to the average person that pays taxes and does'nt know where it goes, to them it seemed invisible and i don't blame them for seeing it that way either, so for simplicity sake i'll reffer to it as free, meaning we did'nt pay a private company from our bank account for the service of bin collection)

paying for bins felt like we lost a public service, just like how many would feel if we lost free water and had to pay irish water, for water. Now even our recycleables are being monopolized/privatized/taxed with this deposit return scheme.