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Should RTE stop airing Father Ted?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    He is suspicious of people that are fascinated with children transitioning (ie altering their sexual organs and thus sexuality). He didn’t call all trans people and their supporters paedos.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,413 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    He was suspended and permabanned from Twitter previously. That doesn't come lightly. There is no exaggerating.


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    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It would be preferential for everyone concerned, INCLUDING HIMSELF, if he kept his nose out of other people's business. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It was a (humourous) attack on the entire belief system as silly imo. The irreverence went beyond satire.

    I'm well aware that RTE refused to screen it. So what? Like I said, when the show came out Linehan helped to discover an Ireland full of atheists in '95. He was not being introduced as part of the Estbalishment by the state broadcaster. RTE picked up repeats soon after when they realised it was popular.

    "Sounds like you want to go back to the 'good old days' when no dissent against the church was permitted to be uttered."

    Who is talking drivel? I am not uncritical of the Catholic Church myself. I just don't have to cheerlead for a TV show full of Paddywhackery that I think has an inflated reputation (though it is clever at times) if I don't want to. Can I not give my own unpopular opinion?

    Yes, its true, atheism was starting to become widespread in the 1960s in Ireland increasing through the 70s, 80s etc. I don't think census-takers are in the best position to gauge such things. What matters is what people really think and feel, not pro-forma declarations.

    The Eight Amendment referendum in 1983 was effectively a rear-guard action: Catholics were already on the defensive even if they had a paper majority. It was to forestall some Roe v Wade equivalent from coming out of nowhere.

    Things happen slowly. Its like if you look at frozen lake, the water underneath the surface is moving around all the time but the top of the lake hasn't changed to the human eye.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    So you’re allowed call someone a nonce but he is full of hatred if he does so? (I don’t have a problem with you doing so by the way. It’s objectionable that he is not as he is not engaged with altering children’s sexual organs).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Nothing particularly immoral about those tweets. He is denouncing the mutilation of children. Of course that requires strong language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Ah sure keep out of the business of child abuse. Good stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Immoral? Who mentioned morality?

    He's not just denouncing the transitioning procedures. He's calling the whole movement a paedo movement. Do you agree with that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yes, its true, atheism was starting to become widespread in the 1960s in Ireland increasing through the 70s, 80s etc. I don't think census-takers are in the best position to gauge such things. What matters is what people really think and feel, not pro-forma declarations.

    How on earth do you claim to know what people in 1960s Ireland were really thinking and feeling, when the actions and utterances of the vast majority of them were entirely in accord with being observant Catholics?

    Do you expect people to accept ridiculous claims not only without evidence, but which fly in the face of all evidence available?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Well the whole thread is about whether or not GL is good or bad, hence the morality.

    Personally, I wouldn’t summarise it as a paedo movement, no. I can see the child abuse though. It is not sexual attraction to children per se, but it concerning that adults are altering children’s sexuality.

    But my defence of GL is that he is not an evil hate-filled scumbag as has been said on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    🤣

    Weak.


    Linehan's nonsense highlighted in post #383 has fuck all to do with trying to tackle "child abuse" in any meaningful way. It's simply the rantings of someone who's lost the run of themselves.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,413 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The hate is the point. Here's a catalogue of evidence for Linehan being a creep.


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ok. So he's throwing around the term paedo where it isn't merited. Why do you think he's doing that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Deflect with the whataboutery? It wasn't me who decided to take the internet on a confabulation of your 40 decades in irish politics.

    more intelligent or what ever, because all it really means is that they failed to inform the public

    Ok so the public get it right so long as they've been informed correctly. Yet for the proposed legislation the government have failed to inform us the definition of "insulting" or "hatred" despite these words being pivotal to how the law will be enforced. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't care whether other posters accept my claims or not. I was talking off the cuff from personal knowledge and experience.

    I didn't think this would be a point of contention.

    However I hope social historians, when they go to write to the history of this country, aren't just looking at baptismal rolls and census figures. They should talk to individual people. Now that life expectancy is increased we can get a good sense of the past just from interviewing the still-living.

    But hey whatever, it isn't some big belief of mine - just an off the cuff observation like I said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Ive explained before: it’s analogous to the Just Stop Oil protestors annoying everybody. Nobody listens to the softly softly approach.

    He is using hard hitting language to get it into peoples heads that what is happening is abuse of children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    One of his tweets is in reference to trooning. Some weird anime stuff I'm not framilar with and don't really want to be.

    Next is a reference to a kids book. Let's Talk About It.. The term pedo is merited in this instance. Do you think it would be ok to post screenshots of that book in this thread? I can send you the pics and you can post them to prove there is no merit to his claim.



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    why though , his wife and kids think he went too far why is protecting everyone else more important than them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I've just looked the book up, it's a sex education book in comic form for ages 14-17.... I'm happy to attach an image from it cause it's pretty grand. It's available from Eason for anyone to purchase. It is somewhat telling that the QAnon types are the people who are coming out in defence of Linehan though.

    Description from Amazon: Covering relationships, friendships, gender, sexuality, anatomy, body image, safe sex, sexting, jealousy, rejection, sex education, and more, Let's Talk About It is the go-to handbook for every teen, and the first in graphic novel form.


    So ya, the "paedo" claim for a critically acclaimed sex education book possibly reflects more on the person making the claim.


    I do think the way Linehan went is very similar to people who went down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories during COVID-19. Basically destroyed his professional and personal relationships.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Go ahead and embed, not attach, images that show how to use a butt plug. Easily available. But we both know that's not going to happen. Because thats no longer education, it's sexual kink. When these books go into school shelves, there are no age limits. Once they are on the shelves they are available to any kid of any age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Oh brute, yes that is education however uncomfortable it makes you feel. Teens are growing up in a world where the odds are, they will be exposed to pornography before they turn 18. So a book giving a broad education on safety etc is better than getting an education from far dodgier sources. I say this based on what teens got up to when I was a teenager about 15 years ago.


    Anyway, back on topic. Linehan effectively behaves like the QAnon types at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Can I identify as a virgin if I've had lot's of sex? Seems like anything goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Ignore list updated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    When these books go into school shelves, there are no age limits. Once they are on the shelves they are available to any kid of any age.

    Well that's rubbish. Primary schools aren't going to have that book. In libraries it'd be in the young adult section.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep, it's marketed to an age appropriate group etc. The misrepresenting of these things is pretty wild.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I suppose that's the nearest to admitting to being wrong we're going to see.

    May also be worth noting that the first showing of Fr Ted was only nine years after the Catholic Church managed to get divorce defeated here. Their power may have been in decline but they were far from on their last legs - the spectacular collapse since the exposure of scandals started in the 1990s is entirely of their own making.

    Even in 1995 when Fr Ted started, divorce only passed by a wafer-thin margin. Clearly a very large number of voters were still getting their instructions from the pulpit.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    No I'm not admitting to being wrong.

    Now we're just around and around in circles. After this, I'm done.

    Are you aware that people can be opposed to divorce and that being irreligious doesn't guarantee support for divorce?

    And that even Catholics don't necessarily take orders like robots but can arrive at conclusions based on thinking?

    That you think the result of a political referendum 'proves' what people's religious feelings are, as if 'Catholic' was just some political designation, this is exactly the kind of blithe reductionism I'm arguing against.

    You are just making assumptions about large chunks of the population and then crunching out numbers.

    Like I said, I hope social historians and other serious inquirers into the recent past resist this approach.

    Now it was a pleasure discussing with you and have a good evening. Goodbye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I believe he also is trying to highlight the danger to lesbians. Straight Men masquerading as women.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Trans women are not straight men and are not "masquerading" - nah his whole life right now is about abusing trans people. Pretty much nothing else.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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