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Should RTE stop airing Father Ted?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,778 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah someone just show them the posts. Looking forward to seeing cognitive dissonance un full swing. That's basically what I use Boards for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Linehan has contributed more positively to society than most I’d wager.

    Calling out people for their BS is not equal to harassing people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Do you have a link to quotes of him doing this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,778 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    We've gotta trawl a few hundred posts in this thread to find one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    To break this down as at least it is an example of a quote:

    He is using the Manson family analogy to describe the trans movement as a cult. Facetious but not miles off the mark.

    I think the obsession with making kids trans does have a weird sexual element to it. We are talking about children’s reproductive organs after all. So I see the paedophile link.

    Re the eugenics comment. I agree that using medication experimentally on children as puberty blockers as happened in the Tavistock is like something Dr Mengele would do. Again, facetious comment admittedly.

    I really do think what adults are doing to trans kids is deplorable and Linehan making facetious comments is akin to the Just Stop Oil protestors at the end of their tether trying to get people to get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,413 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You've just said he's not wrong. That's not much of an argument in fairness. Ditto for the whataboutery at the end.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    My point is that his comments aren’t too far off the mark and hardly “hateful”.

    Thats not whataboutery. My point is that sometimes people make their point somewhat harshly because the softly softly approach doesn’t work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You clearly have an inability to read the thread 😑

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,413 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They aren't. They show that he's become a hateful person. Maybe he was always that way. Who knows.

    Since you've offered no basis for your defence of him, I don't see much point in continuing this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Nah. His whole life is now dedicated to an obsessional hateful transphobia.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I thought it was pretty clear that the basis for my defence is that is comments are fair observations of reality and thus cannot be considered harassment or hate speech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I agree that he is obsessive and probably spends far too much time and effort on this issue. I don’t agree that he is hateful. I don’t understand the word transphobia anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The fact that you think it's acceptable to insult people with hate filled slurs says an awful lot about you.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Well that depends on what the definition of a hate filled slur is I guess. We obviously have different thickness of skins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm having a fair bit of dejavu in relation to how people historically and still do explain away homophobic rhetoric. Vague insinuations, claiming that they're not supposed to be taking literally etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I prefer to take each argument on merit with a critical analysis of the points being made. “Sounds like something a homophobe would say” could be used to close down any debate on social issues otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    "remarkable how often they get it right"

    Not exactly talking highly of them either. You talk as though there is a right or wrong decision when it comes to referendums, which is bizarre. Why put it to the people at all if there is a wrong choice? Do you think they got the Nice Treaty vote wrong?

    This legislation will never go to a vote anyway so not worth debating. It will be thrust upon us and the court system will be thronged with more frivolous cases than it already is.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,413 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And that's objectively untrue based on the examples in this thread.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    So, basically, the defence of Linehan's comments and activities is "I agree with him, so it's all ok". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Fkn 'ell

    🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's possible (Article 27 of the Constitution) but has never happened. Agreed that referendums bring every crackpot out of the woodwork with issues and arguments which are nothing to do with the proposal. I'm still waiting to be conscripted by the EU into their non-existent army at €1.63 an hour.

    At least abortion is now entirely a legislative matter so no more miscarriages on posters, but there was something quite distasteful that we had to have a vote before gay people could have equal legal rights - what if we'd voted No? Large parts of our constitution are still stuck in a byegone era.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Ah yes the next page from the play book - take a quote out of context and try and deflect with a bit of "whataboutery"...

    Of course there is a right decision - it's the one they people decide is in their best interests. As for the Nice Treaty, they got it right on BOTH occasions. As per the constitution, the people reserve the right to ratify EU treaty changes to themselves and leave the negotiations to the government. And in any negotiations there will be proposals, rejections, counter proposals and revised proposals. And the Irish constitution recognises this by not restricting in any why the right of the people to consider, revisit or reconsider any issue they vote on. Now you can continue believe the silly nonsense that the people voted twice on the same proposal etc., if it makes you feel better, but if you want to be taken seriously, you'll need to come up with a line by line, word by word analysis that shows this and that is not possible - just another excuse for failure.

    There is no reason for there to be a vote on this legislation as the people have delegated that right to their elected representatives in the legislature and there is no widespread indication among the public that they would want to. If the law is enacted, then it will go through the normal checks and balances that exist in our democracy and by interpreted in the courts in the normal way. And of course if you are unhappy with it, you are free to take a case to the supreme court to test it's constitutionality, if you wish to do so. A privilege that is not available in the UK for example.

    Remember the Irish people have twice rejected the abolition of the PR system, on one occasion returning FF with the highest majority they had up to that point (basically saying we like what you are doing, but no we are not going to make it more difficult to kick you out), twice rejected the abolition of the upper house because they see it as an important break on the Dail and more recently rejected the reduction in age for the president because they recognise that the last line of defence of their constitution needs to be someone of maturity and experience. And rightly so, we have had the Arms Trial, the abuse of the CIC of the defence forces by Paddy Donegan and the attempt by Brian Lenihan's attempt to influence the president. The Irish people are far from the stupid image some like to suggest, when it comes to making these kind of decision.

    I always find it amusing when people start claiming that the public would agree with them if they (the public) were better informed, more intelligent or what ever, because all it really means is that they failed to inform the public or they just had a bad idea and people saw it for what it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well that's just bollocks, ever watched Bernard Manning or Jim Davidson videos from the clubs (a far cry from what he was like on TV) ?

    We didn't like it much when it was the "thick Mick" alcoholic labourer stereotype being made fun of, did we?

    Making fun of people who are less well off than you financially, socially, etc. is easy - too easy. If society in general stigmatises those people then all the better as if they do speak out they won't be listened to. It was cowardly.

    That's no longer the case any more though and the bigots, racists, homo- and transphobes just can't stand it.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    His Tweets are constantly exaggerated. For example, it was claimed he threated to mass shoot a trans event, but he never. He has an acidic personality, but that is irrelevant. JK Rowling is as mannerly as anyone and gets just as much attempts to sabotage her career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    It's just comedy.

    Mr O'Reilly from Fawlty Towers (played by an Irishman) was playing up to the thick , lazy Paddy stereotype and yet it was a brilliant episode and people in Ireland don't seem to have much objection to it.

    Funny is Funny.

    This whole punching down argument is just used by people who don't like the absurdities of certain things they agree with being pointed out to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What a load of utter drivel

    Linehan and Mathews target was not ordinary Catholics - it was the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Church clergy and hierarchy - and what was really going on was far far worse than they or anyone else outside of that clergy and hierarchy could at that time imagine.

    Well yes they were able to do that by 1995 - before then it would certainly not have been shown by RTE. Actually RTE initially refused to show it but after it was such a big hit here on Channel 4 they had to relent.

    Sounds like you want to go back to the 'good old days' when no dissent against the church was permitted to be uttered.

    Lots of Irish people had become atheists in the 1960s, are you having a laugh? Oddly enough they still ticked catholic on the census, sent their kids to catholic schools (not that there was a choice), made their kids go to mass and undergo the sacraments, and went to mass themselves! and never spoke out against the church, but you have some inner insight that lots of them were really atheists, impressive.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Yes of course!

    Thought experiment: If the vast majority of trans activists agreed with him, wouldn’t it all be ok?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,865 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    You know there were screenshots in this thread of him calling trans people and their supporters paedos?



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