Kia EV9

That will be very popular even at €80/90K. If they manage a version around €60/70K there'll be massive waiting lists.

Yes hard to imagine it but a paddy spec with a 70KW battery for less than 70K and 8t would fly out the door as there's a real gap in the market there for 7 seater EVs.

Would agree with previous posters, this will be hugely popular here and based on Kia's past work, will be a very good ev. One concern is that Kia will have significant difficulty meeting the demand.

Would you pick this or an iX at €90K ? I'd definitely go Kia with my money.

Exactly I don’t think you’d have a depreciation curve on that more like a depreciation cliff, Kia as a brand rightly or wrongly do not have the perceived value to operate at those kind of prices

People would have said that a while ago about Kias and Hyundai's at 50k but now look an EV6 cost near to 60k and an i5 at least 50k.

So ye I see this KIA being 80k at least with people still buying it and more wanting it 2nd hand so it will hold its value too and not depreciate badly at all. Its just the crazy world we live in now.

The size of it.😮

I can already see one of these trying to drive me off the road, with the drivers eyes barely able to see over the steering wheel.

I’m not downing Kia I think they make well built and engineered cars but not 80-90K cars, there are very few cars worth that kind of money, the market has lost the run of itself. 4 years ago you could buy a new Golf R DSG for 51K the equivalent car now the cheapest new one available is 83K in FK and that’s a bloody VW golf they even have one listed at 97K that should be Porsche money not a tarted up hatchback

The Model Y is far smaller inside and outside though. The fecking size of the thing wasn't going to lend itself to being the most aerodynamic shape.

Actually I’d say my biggest fear for this would be the size. This is Telluride sized as opposed to Sorento. And while I’m well used to the Sorento (which is no trouble) having had larger sized cars they could be a pain in the arse.

If Peugeot can sell the e5008 from €50k+ then it will be the go to 7 seater EV for people who need 7 seats. €80k+ for an Escalade look a like is a different animal altogether

Exactly I’m picking up a Y this weekend coming, whether you like them or not Tesla are one of the few brands in their price range that are offering value, if we can even call mid to late 40s value but that is where we are. I always say it but I plan to hold on to the Y for a good while as I’ll be surprised if the market becomes sensible over the next few years, hopefully the Chinese will force the big brands to have a reality check

We still have our ID4. It's a 221 business and my wife uses it mostly. It's a lovely car and I really like it but I wouldn't buy an Id4 at the moment because I think they are no longer good value. The car came standard with the 20-inch alloys, 204hp, bigger battery, and keyless entry and you will pay through the roof for the same spec now. I love the ID4, don't get me wrong. It's one of the best EVs for a family. Lots of room in the back.

For our second car or my car, if you want to call it that, we were waiting months for the Audi Q4 E-Tron 35 to come back into production. Audi was useless and unhelpful but I stupidly bought an A3 Sline from them in December. I didn't like the car or the aftersales experience so I shifted to a Polestar 2 about a week ago. Polestar is without a doubt the best car brand I have ever dealt with and like the model Y, the car is fantastic for much less money than what VAG is currently charging for anything decent. I ordered my car and it arrived in 12 days. My second choice would have been a Model Y, mostly because it's bigger inside than the Polestar for the kids.

Cheapest Polestar 2 is €52k on the road vs Tesla Model Y for €46k on the road. For a smaller car in a less popular form factor with less spec and FWD vs RWD. Range and performance are similar. But those are WLTP figures and do not take into account sustained motorway driving, where the Polestar 2 has considerably worse coefficient of drag, thus shorter range

It could be argued that the Polestar 2 is better looking though 😀

Not wanting to argue with you but if you had a Tesla, you wouldn't want to use Android Auto or Apple car play 😁

The prices I stated were correct though, have a look for yourself if you click configure on the Polestar 2, you will end up with a price of just over €52k

And the Tesla €46519.78 (add the 4 paid amounts up)

so a difference of €5615

I would never consider getting a loan to buy a car, but if you do then for sure the financing rates come into play

That said, I would expect the total cost of ownership to be significantly lower on the Tesla, even if you don't buy the car outright

Can't blame you. I test drove the Model Y and found the interior fairly economy. Haven't been in a Polestar 2, but I get the impression it's nicer.

I'm like yourself, fairly soon I will be charging my EV near purely from PV at home for most of the next 6 months and I rarely public charge myself. It's not the cost / inefficiency of poor aerodynamics though, it's the much lower range at speed. The WLTP figure of EVs is very misleading when used for distance driving and a lot of new EV owners are very disappointed when they find out. Did a recent trip to NI and back in cold and wet weather (well over 300km) and wouldn't have made it in any other EV with the same WLTP range as my own car unless it was equally aerodynamic

I'm not Tesla evangelising at all. I took the bastards to court, remember, and I won 😂

What I am evangelising about is that people get value for money. If they buy a car that will have a total cost of ownership that is a lot higher or get a car with a motor way range that is a lot lower, perfectly fine, agree with you that it would be boring if everyone bought the same car. But people need to be aware of this. I strongly disagree with your assumption that most people who are buying an EV know all about them. I'd say many people don't. I'll give you an example. Almost every ID.4 buyer assumes that their car with 77kWh will have a significantly higher motorway (120km/h GPS speed) range than a 60kWh Model Y. This is not the case. Same as it was not the case for a Leaf 40kWh vs Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh. I was banging on about that 5 years ago and very few people understood / believed me even back then.

Oh and for the people that keep banging on about me being a Tesla fanboi, if I were to rank all those car from best to worst looking, my list would be:

1. Ioniq 5
2. EV6
3. Polestar 2
4. ID.4
5. Tesla Model Y

I've only ever been a BMW fanboi, I would likely have already bought a BMW i4 eDrive35 if it had come in under the grant (it almost did) even though it wasn't even designed as a ground up EV like all of the above

my list would be.

1. EV6

2. Polester 2

3. Ioniq 5

4. ID.4

5. Tesla Model Y

Personally I can't warm to the rather expansive rear end of the EV6. Just seems out of place when compared to the fairly conventional looking front end. IMO the Ioniq 5 is a more coherent design but again its all in the eye of the beholder

Bob also has a video up on it and they both do one together too.

Primarily designed for US market so that's why it's so big. Selling the car in European markets is just a bonus.