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The eviction ban

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭Deeec


    WELL it seems some tenants are happy not to pay rent at all to their landlord so what else would you call this but charity by the landlord or theft by the tenant. The sad thing is that our government are ok with this and have put no laws in place for landlords to recoup unpaid rent. There are landlords out there that are providing housing to people for FREE because the law seems to be on the tenants side only



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    Have you any figures on how many? The reverse is a lot of landlords happy to keep deposits for no reason. For the record I agree on the ban being lifted. The vast majority of landlords receive disgustingly large sums for what they provide. Genuinely take a look on rent.ie for 10minutes. And Ps its definitely theft by the tenant. If it was charity the landlord would very kindly have not bothered charging the rent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    But Maggie Cash didn’t spend a night on the streets?!!

    No evidence has been supplied??



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    I can't get over landlords on here thinking they shouldn't be paying tax hahah , what an insane take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Can I stop paying my mortgage so!!!??


    Happy days.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nobody should be forced into providing a service if they don't want to. If I buy a third or forth car does that mean I should have to rent it out as I wont be using it the whole time? If I buy a house with 8 bedrooms should I have to rent out 5 because I'm not using them all the time?

    The solution is simple if you don't like landlords/don't want to rent, then work hard get a mortgage and buy or build your own place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,640 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    And then you have this stuff: 22 house ghost estate in the middle of Portroe, Co Tipp

    Too far from D4 for Nama to be arsed



    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Still begs the question though, why don't LL's sell the property? Ireland is not at all suited to renting"

    Yes, this is what many have been doing. Sell up, pocket the cash, no complaining there from most of them.

    Most complaining is from renters that there is nowhere available to rent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,460 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    There has to be some kind of planning for these kinds of things. Administrative decisions are made which give massive value to property. The other side of that though is that people cannot be allowed to hoard property to hold the rest of the population to ransom.

    For example, in the past, speculators would buy property in certain areas and just sit there for a decade or more and allow it to go derelict. If planners decide to provide for a new estate and ringfence areas for say shops for that new community, you shouldn't allow a scenario to develop where a speculator goes in and buys up the commercially zoned part and decides to sit on it to see if it will appreciate over the long term when all the people living in the houses need those services to be up and running.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭Economics101


    You say "extend rent controls to new rentals in the pressure zones". Sorry, but I assume that rent controls apply throughout the rent pressure zones already. Rent controls will sooner or later have an adverse effect on supply. The effect may be very small at first, but after several years, when controlled rents are well below market levels or levels which make new construction commercially viable, there will be an adverse effect on supply to the rental market, and maybe to the housing market as a whole.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And for anyone wondering why people choose the streets over homeless shelters or hubs, here’s why.


    https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-who-sexually-assaulted-boy-3-in-homeless-hub-to-be-deported-after-sentence/1889693405.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I stand by my original statement and you haven’t provided anything to disclaim it.


    You tried to use Maggie cash as an argument and you were pulled up by numerous posters.


    A fool you say…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    That’s some wild claim you’re making there.


    So people don’t choose to stay in emergency accommodation because a 3 year old was assaulted??


    Taking aside the thousands and thousands of people who are actually staying in emergency accommodation as we speak who are you referring too???

    Id like to see how you came to this conclusion apart from your vivid imagination.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Again for those at the back. The claim is no family spent the night on the street.

    families have and you’re ignorant or disingenuous to suggest otherwise with all the documented evidence.


    People choose not to stay in homeless hubs or hostels because they are not safe.


    Ignored going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    no, is that not what you were on about with the two tier system?

    Properties that were no rented in the previous 2 years are exempt from the rules

    if you mean inside and out side the pressure zones, there was already a large disparity in favour of the pressure zones due to very high rent increases, so its not a bad thing to balance that

    Why will they have an adverse affect on supply? all you have to do is manage how they can be increased, In other places, you have rent controlled and non rent controlled side by side, causing issues

    but theres no reason they can't work if managed, the CPI increase was fair, but you need to manage that to balance out outlier years

    the real issue is lack of supply of housing

    what the irish housing market needs is control, its already a rigged game in the first place, but boom and bust is just stupid when it could be avoided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    that makes zero sense, if the rental cap is fair then you will still have those who wish to rent on both sides

    you should set market rates, this is the point

    allowing new rental to be the only ones who can gouge is what causes the issues

    make it fair for renters and landlords



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Sexual assault can happen anywhere though. It's not solely confined to homeless shelters or hubs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭cheezums


    We need about 20-40k more social houses. that's the long and short of it. two ways to deal with that - build more of them, or tackle the root causes of poverty and inequality in this country. or, ideally, both. i see slow movement on one of them, none on the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Probably can’t believe it because it hasn’t been said?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Why don’t they just build council estates. It’s so obvious it’s what needs to happen. Immediately brings down the price of property too so that more folks on medium wages can then sort themselves out through renting or borrowing. It’s **** stupid that they won’t just do it and sort out the problem.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did I say it didn’t?

    Can you not comprehend that people may choose to stay in a location in isolation rather than go to a hostel or hub?


    Don’t respond to me because I don’t have time for ignorance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Get Real


    I agree with jinglejangle. Families don't live on the streets.

    They are prioritised. And get a hotel room, or at a minimum an indoor place with living facilities until something permanent is filled.

    Am I saying it's acceptable? No. Not one bit. But no family is forced to live on the street.

    You mentioned Maggie Cash, a bad example.

    Another example you gave was news article 1. A man that has been funded by the state for 11years and was allegedly caught with 1.6k of coke and 6000 cash. As per the Irish independent. Did he make any decisions that affected his situation do you think? The poor children. But that man got himself into that position. They too were then offered accommodation and turned it down.

    Next thing he's in a news article putting the pressure on. Very Maggie cash no?

    The other two articles, we don't know the people involved, but both are put out by charities that receive money for homelessness. I'd assume their motive is same as Maggie cash and Alan Fitzpatrick. Let me know if you can say otherwise.

    Very easy for Alan Fitzpatrick found with 6k cash to get in the tent, snap a few photos and drive back to the parents gaf after.

    Homelessness is terrible. But these press articles have a motive behind them. If you're grand with someone taking off the taxpayer, committing crime, long term unemployed, in a house for 11 years and then turning down accomodation and going to a newspaper, we'll agree to disagree.

    Post edited by Get Real on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,460 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I'd say because of incompetence. None of them are ever held accountable. I get the impression that they wanted to move away from "council estates" model years ago and mix the social housing in with everyone else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    Someone is crying for coke dealer Alan Fitzpatrick.


    posters coke dealer's hatred pours out of the screen



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Passive aggressive much? Projecting much? Something has rotted your brain.

    Not that it matters because you lot keep changing the goalposts, families slept on the street. End of.

    Whether he’s a drug dealer or not, I don’t see you provide any evidence, his children aren’t guilty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB


    They've added in restrictions on selling the property by saying the landlord cannot achieve market value as they must sell to tenant first.

    So, why would a landlord take on a tenant and not just sell now?

    They are still not getting it. Anti landlord measures made up on the fly in piecemeal fashion. How typically irish.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Walk around Dublin1 and see the amount of border up properties, that could house hundreds if not thousands of people. Somebody above posted a photo of a ghost estate in Tipperary. While it's not 20k houses there are far too many properties around the country not being fully utilised, and a severe vacant property tax needs to be imposed on these to force them back into use or sold to someone who will use them.

    These properties are constructed and are connected to power and water mains. Yes they'll need some renovating, but that will be much quicker than planning and building brand new builds.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Absolutely no problem with income tax. Where did I say I did?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Fact is many don't get reported and you don't know what these cost. Did it cost the LL 0k or 50k.

    RTB isn't giving us the figures. I doubt its because they are "too good"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If anyone can provide housing cheaper and profitable than "the majority of Landlords". They should go do it. They'll clean up if you are correct.

    I'm not seeing many coming forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,357 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    They wont build council estates because that leads to ghettoisation, the policy is now to buy to have a mix of private and public housing in estates. I am sure some folks have all the details around this.

    The main problem is that they stopped building social houses and the social houses they did have they sold to the people who were living in those houses and then effectively used the private rental market to house new social tenants which meant anyone looking to rent is just going to the one market, its the same now for buying houses because buyers are not just going against other people to buy the house but councils as well. Also making bedsits (even though not nice) illegal they pushed a lot of people out of that accommodation and again into the private rental market.

    They do need to separate the rental market into public and private and allow people the access the market that is affordable to them. We can't have everyone hitting the same market. It is the same for the housing market as well so that people can buy in the market that is affordable to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Vacant property tax is a 4-5 year solution and many properties boarded up have low propert tax. Those houses in Portroe probably are valued in the lowest propert tax band. As they are not complete they are exempt from property tax

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You sound like you might want to encourage landlording.


    There'll be political war if its suggested :-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    hard to feel sorry for landlords.

    hard to feel sorry for someone who has other people pay their mortgage so they can own a valuable asset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    What about the landlord who was on the radio yesterday, he is 11 k out of pocket because his tenants refuse to pay rent and there was nothing he could do about it.

    Scumbag tenants like that are just as bad as a landlord who screw over a decent tenant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I feel sorry for the people who are going to be evicted but you can't have an eviction ban forever, you are just kicking the can down the road and making the problem worse in the long run. I don't hear what the alternatives are, or the solutions, just extend it forever?

    Why should a private landlord pay for the governments mistakes, I know the common idea is that landlords are all monsters but at the end of the day they are providing a service that is obviously needed. forcing more to leave the market isn't the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    And people who rent out properties they own outright with no mortgage..?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Lisa Chambers said on the radio today we should have a referendum on a right to housing.

    How would that change anything, it wouldn't get the houses built any quicker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    without knowing the particulars, why should we feel more sorry for someone who has to pay a portion of their own mortgage themselves, versus chucking people out on the street?

    anecdotes are all well and good but my previous point still stands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    So you think its fine play the system in order to pay nothing, at least we know your view on the subject now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Its not about feeling sorry for them. its the fact that you are going to make them sell their properties and then there will an even worse problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    well, thats just pure profit then.

    landlords reduce the available housing stock by getting in front of first time buyers etc, by being able to secure funding, and then turning around and renting out that same property at a nice profit and denying lower income people from getting on the property ladder. keeping them in the rent trap.

    but we must never hold landlords accountable for this of course. "they're providing a valuable service"



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    landlords are trying to play the system to pay nothing by having others pay their mortgage so they end up with a free asset at the end of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    And where do people live who want temporary accommodation?

    Students staying here temporary from abroad?

    People staying in a 1 bed in Dublin for X period of time for work?

    Not everyone renting wants to buy where they currently live. A lot of rental accommodation is a stop gap for people at a point in their life. I lived in 5-6 rental spots through my 20s that I'd no interest in buying.

    You seem to have your blinkers on that everyone is a first time buyer wanting to get onto the market at an exact moment in time.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of course they provide a valuable service.


    I moved far from home for college and rented there for years. I didn't leave the local tech after the leaving with a deposit for my own place!

    They allowed me to move around the country from one job to another for years.

    Iv colleagues owning in one part of the county and renting in Dublin a few nights a week when they are in the office here.

    Lots of doctors and nurses move around the hospitals during their training, they all need to rent.

    Iv relations moved home from other countries and renting while deciding their next move depending on family events.

    We need a functioning reasonably priced private rental market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I think this is an excellent point to a degree, regulation aka taxation has made a lot of cash industries which were endemic here no longer feasible. It's no surprise that the shortage of taxis in Dublin has coincided with the introduction of mandatory acceptance of card payment.

    Where i would differ is the blaming of institutional landlords, this is realistically the only way to solve the crisis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭sky6


    It's called market forces and property values can go down just as quick as they go up.

    Whatever way you look at it LL are putting in their own money in buying properties and choosing to rent. It's no difference to any other enterprise

    who offer a service to the public and expect to make a profit. LL are not the problem yet they're being demonised.

    The Government has failed people badly over the last 30 years on this issue and 50 years in dismantling Council building and maintenance programs.

    Where is the drive to encourage Apprenticeships in the Skills needed to ramp up the building of Housing stock.

    Yet they keep taking in more people from abroad when we can't even house our own. I'm not talking about the War, That's a seperate issue.

    The same people crashed the Country in 2008 and left us all to pay for their mess. This is just history repeating itself.

    Poor Governance from TDs who continue to allow minorities run the country to their agenda.



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