What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

I be fairly sure there is a few larger importers looking at it already. Where there is money there is a way.

Doing the sums myself on an artic load. I need 10-11T myself. If there is a 250-300/ ton different I take the full 28 ton and shift the rest out of the yard and charge 50 euro/ big bag over the cost price. A lot of small lads will come for a bag or two. The odd one will pay cash I would expect to make 1400 euro on the excess and probably 2-300 of it in cash.

Problem in Ireland is that Co-op or local merchants sell a lot of the product. A lot is shifted straight out of the co-ops lads pullin in to fill the spreader or throw a few big bags in the jeep trailer.

They are usually paying ,15% above what I pay for 10ton delivered into the yard. I know a lad that went 60 miles last year to pick up a couple of ton of fertlizer. It was a non standard mix but was working out over 200/ton cheaper than the something similar out of the co-op.

You saw the prices I was quoted above. At present it seems urea is 650/ton by the artic in the UK. If that sort of pricing is in NI in a month and prices are similar to what I was quoted I will see can I price a mixed artic. I can handle 11ton. I know 3-4 lads that will probably take the rest. The big thing is to not get greedy and to turn it fast.

There is a small lad near me that always need 8-10 bales he always pays for them in cash. His fertlizer requirement is 3T 18-6-12. I fairly sure he take that if I was willing to stage it over the year for him

I do not expect to have to do it as I expect to see serious cracks to develop between co-ops and merchants fairly fast. No way if it is in France for those price that it will not be in Rosslare for that in February.

A lot of stuff bought already, many fine till early summer so will be interesting to see re fert.

A late spring may be a bigger issue. Dairy rations heading to 500 tonne and there may be a need to replenish full stocks of silage country wide come summer then. Dry weather last year had many feeding in summer/ autumn in drier areas and those of us in wetter areas housed earlier then as hasn't stopped raining since the start of Oct

There is a big price difference in ration and a good dairy nut. Difference in cow performance and condition too.

I probably buy that ration 20+/ton cheaper at present maize was over 420/ton bulk at the time AFAIR. If maize is 400/ton in bags by the bag its probably 10-20 less by the pallet and another 10-20 less in bulk.

If you are buying a ration, maize, barley, soyabean, are the real expensive straights, everything else is a filler to an extent. Cubing only add 10-15/ton nowadays. A super ration will only contain about 50-55% of the big three all the rest will be fillers with a bit of minerals and molasses to bind the nut.

It's not rocket science. Miller's will use dried distillers grains, rapeseed as protein sources, they will put in pulps and hulls this time of year which you do not need if you are feeding any decent amount of silage.

If you are buying rations/nuts in any quantity (a dairy farm 100 cows feeding 3kgs/ day is feeding over 2T/ week) no ration at present even if based on top class ingredients should cost more than 450/ ton.

They will add a few extra ''special ingredients'' ( is it metalac or something similar at present is the flavour of the month and maybe add in a bit of yeast) and add 50-70/ ton extra

It's like the lad feeding 1-2 kgs to weanlings and stores when he get much the same return for 5-6c worth of minerals

50-70€/t for mega lac and yeast

will ye go away 😂

Acid buff here €4.00 per tonne at a 5kg feed rate...don't have the price of the others

Lot of production in Europe is still closed. Looking like it will reopen shortly.

in the 1st instance you need a hazard chemical licence and insurance .most of these specialised hauliers are aleady contacted to mechants and will they risk their contracts to deliver 1 load, probably but at their price .The mechants wont be long stoping them though so looks like it might be a tractor and trailer job for bass reeves

It no good if it's cheap in France and the UK and expensive in Ireland. I much perfect if it was expense everywhere but I am also a realist and deal with the reality on the ground. Its a reason why I e reluctant to buy fertlizer forward unless it was really cheap. If it more expensive off an expensive base the market will correct the cattle price up, and down if it drops. If it's cheap (Urea under 350/ ton) it's worth carrying the risk

Technical...My head was fizzing.

Gonna have to get through last Thursday night's one again and draw up a little reference guide for myself in terms of flows of Ammonium and Urea etc and the micro nutrients that enact those changes.

I reckon a full understanding of the last night's lectures will be the key to understanding the whole plant nutrition requirements.

But one thing I'm convinced of is that foliar application of nutrients is a, if not the, obvious answer to current environmental issues.

Why it's not being considered by those developing solutions is beyond me.

Just one quick question on the foliar spraying, how many times a year would you be spraying it on lets say a grazed 5 acre field?

how much kgs of urea would you be dissolving for lets say a 300L sprayer for 3 acre paddock 100l/acre.

Thanks for the info, does a low drift nozzel work better for application as more resistance to wind or what would you recommend. I currently have half red flat fan and half red low drift, currently changing the flats out as they start to leak/damage to low drifts.

I think mine are low drift nozzles. Light blue fan type. But I think the colour is more related to the quantity it can put out in a given time.

Keep pressure low less than 2 bar. Especially so if going to use biology.

Prices ex-works AN 33.5%.

Price urea ex-port.

Full loads, BB toplift, immediate payment.

Urea down €50/t since last week.