CHAdeMO v CCS

Good job for the leaf drivers that you're not Applegreen... Although I'd say if you were you would have a better setup in Castlebellingham so 2 ways to look at everything

chademo cars still have an overall good chunk of the cars regardless of the 7:1 sales ratio today. so maximizing profits would be to cater for them also.

thankfully you and your like aren't in charge of easygo/ecars/applegreen deployments.

Haha yes down with forward thinking! Down with that sort of thing.

You're certainly not biased at all lol

What do you consider a "good chunk"?

5389 total sales of Leaf based on https://stats.beepbeep.ie/ which is just about 10% of the total amount of electric cars.

not including any other car type that could have Chademo, like some tesla's/Mitsubishi or even the nissan e-NV200 which starting to see alot of more of these days. so we are talking a lot higher than 10% and those with chademo are likely to stop at these points as the cars would have smaller battery capacity. so removing a customer doesn't make sense.

Its not a lot more than 10% though really.

As others have said if you're planning correctly you won't be planning for now but in the future.

Fire away and install one Chademo plug for every 15-20 CCS installed now and leave the current 50:50 split on the current eCars installs. More than enough for the current 10% which will decline rapidly in the coming years (I wouldn't be surprised to see Chademo below 6-7% next year).

If you're planning for the future then 2 chargers ain't gonna do it, something more like 8-12 chargers with 2 plugs each. I think it's fair to have a Chademo plug or two on a 4 car site.

Ideally they could do it in a way that doesn't reduce the number of CCS spaces, but that's up to the designer

As you scale up then you'd obviously favour CCS, maybe in a 16 car site you'd have 12 spaces CCS only and 4 spaces as dual standard

Also I'm not sure the CCS being more profitable argument makes sense all the time. There's plenty of CCS cars that charge at a fairly measly 50kW.

Not to mention the number of big battery cars that plug in at 50% and get a slow charging rate

I know the maximum power from CCS is higher, but that doesn't mean you'll get it. I've gotten 125kW from my ID.4 exactly once, not really expecting to see it again

you go spend your time adding them up. guarantee you get to 20% in no time (10k + vehicles with chademo) - link https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

there should be at least one chademo unit, there can be 4 CCS 14 CCS 40 ccs but there should be a chademo point. dedicated on its own or 2 units with duel cables with CCS so there is some redundancy

people have called out that there shouldn't be any new chademo plug made available what so ever, this is the issue I'm highlighting and pointing out there is a good chunk of cars that need charging. when on long journeys (rarely for me) those that need to charge the most would be those on chademo and not CCS.

abandoned standard or not, cars are still sold with chademo. when that day stops then i would join the plebs and advocate that the gig is up. Leaf was at a good price point where spending extra 10-20k for a CCS with decent battery just didn't make sense, but not any more especially with the choice out there now and with 0% finance offer gone. (would never advocate for Leaf60 in case people jump on considering the choice in last 2 years). more entry level cars are needed.

why?

should it not be both? "if you want to debate why operators should or should not install Chademo chargers."

if people are giving out about chademo's been installed, that should be argued.

agreed

so posts giving out about new chademo installations will be redirected here then?

you give that impression that you do

and whats wrong with money from chademo drivers that would need their services more than a CSS car. as said in previous post the amount of cars capable is easily 20% of the total amount of electric cars plenty of them out there.

plus the extra cost in just providing the extra cable is neglible considering the cost of the entire unit. Having a unit with 2 ccs or one with 1 ccs and 1 chademo....

I think the main issue with many drivers at the moment is that Chademo is still being supported and far from abandoned.

ICE car drivers looking in from the outside will start using the argument that standards are changing too fast for them to make the jump and that is probably the worst case scenario all around

For that reason alone all chargers should have the 2 DC heads

Are there any charger units that can have three cables and any 2 of the 3 be in use at a time? If not, then at least having a CCS/Chademo unit that load shares means that the CCS has higher power when the Chademo isn't in use.