So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

jolivmmx · 21-06-2022 12:03pm

The Brazilian hearing will be interesting. There was a Japanese hearing not so long ago. It seems that the topic is becoming more mainstream

celtic_oz · 25-06-2022 4:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211892#Comment_119211892

What wonderful guesses, and a nice safe conclusion.

or maybe the investigators ruled out the obvious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIIdzXiMDqI

nigeldaniel · 25-06-2022 5:03pm

I thought myself that the tic tac craft might have been a time traveling drone. Something like that is a bit more pausable than an alien from Zog.

Dohnjoe · 26-06-2022 1:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248732#Comment_119248732

He's a decent scientist, but he's also a science fiction writer, has appeared on "Ancient Aliens" and other alien themed TV shows. He's very obvious by his own admissions he strongly entertains the ideas of aliens visiting us.

Literally the last person you'd ask to do an objective study on UAPs.

celtic_oz · 26-06-2022 9:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250796#Comment_119250796

pathetic. He is one of a large group that studied the 144 DOD cases for 3 years.

His academic credentials are impeccable and has NEVER said this stuff is ET's. He just ruled out the mundane based on data unlike most armchair experts quick to dismiss.

Rhymes with the investigation in the 40/50's when J. Allen Hynek was recruited (a known UFO sceptic)

When Project Sign hired Hynek, he was skeptical of UFO reports. Hynek suspected that they were made by unreliable witnesses, or by persons who had misidentified man-made or natural objects. In 1948, Hynek said that "the whole subject seems utterly ridiculous," and described it as a fad that would soon pass.[4]

In his 1977 book, Hynek said that he enjoyed his role as a debunker for the Air Force. He also said that debunking was what the Air Force expected of him.

Change of opinion

In April 1953, Hynek wrote a report for the Journal of the Optical Society of America titled "Unusual Aerial Phenomena," which contained one of his best-known statements:

Ridicule is not part of the scientific method, and people should not be taught that it is. The steady flow of reports, often made in concert by reliable observers, raises questions of scientific obligation and responsibility. Is there ... any residue that is worthy of scientific attention? Or, if there isn't, does not an obligation exist to say so to the public—not in words of open ridicule but seriously, to keep faith with the trust the public places in science and scientists?[5]

In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, "Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn't give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. You can't assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this."

Dohnjoe · 26-06-2022 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251076#Comment_119251076

Sorry but no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oim5ZUK9J3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE4L8NhCkto

As for the cases themselves, there is plenty of blurry/grainy footage and signals we can't explain. The fact that none of it is clear should give a large clue as to why.

Akrasia · 26-06-2022 1:06pm

The reason why all the UAPs are blurry and unclear is because as soon as we see clear un blurry images of them It's obvious that they're planes, planets, stars balloons, ducks etc

silliussoddius · 26-06-2022 4:02pm

Travis Taylor is just another member of the Knapp/Puthoff/Bigelow weirdo gang.

celtic_oz · 29-06-2022 10:12am

Nice interview of Avi Loeb ( Current Professor of Science at Harvard University ) and Eric Weinstein (Ph.D in mathematical physics from Harvard University) discussing

NASAs Independent Study on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

and

Harvards Galileo Project for the Systematic Scientific Search for Evidence of Extraterrestrial Technological Artifacts

https://youtu.be/fdwuhU_zu8Y?t=1261

we need the people who are trying to spread shame and fear to go back under their comforters and duvets and hide there until this gets sorted out.. nobody knows what this is, it may be a propaganda campaign on behalf of the government whatever it is it's a something and the idea that investigating it puts you at risk reputation i'm just going to pass over this in silence it's embarrassing

silliussoddius · 29-06-2022 2:01pm

it always worth listening to what the extremely lucid Avi Loeb says.

FutureGuy · 03-07-2022 6:20pm

I was a UFO nut back when I was a kid. Was 100% certain we were being visited and abducted.

Now everyone has an incredible camera on them at all times ready to record in a few seconds. And what have people captured?

Next to nothing.

celtic_oz · 03-07-2022 7:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285619#Comment_119285619

Wait what!?

Oh well then, everyone stand down!

Nothing to see here lads, this lack of compelling photographic evidence in general civilian possession is new information.

Case closed, please apply scorn on anyone who thinks differently.

FutureGuy · 03-07-2022 9:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285890#Comment_119285890

Do explain. We all have perfect recording devices now - if ghosts or aliens existed, we would have caught hundreds of them on camera. I mean you couldn't move for the number of people who claim they were abducted or saw something 15 years ago - thousands even. Yet no phone, CCTV, home security, dashcam or webcam has shown this to be true since. Not one.

Not applying scorn, just common sense.

FutureGuy · 04-07-2022 3:45pm

nope? Of course not.

silliussoddius · 04-07-2022 3:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285890#Comment_119285890

Spot on. We know their cloaking technology advanced in step with our camera technology.

celtic_oz · 05-07-2022 3:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286284#Comment_119286284

see it sounds like common sense until you do a SMIDGEN of research, UFO sighting numbers fluctuate for reasons known and unknown, if anything they are high at the moment.

Yet no phone, CCTV, home security, dashcam or webcam has shown this to be true since. Not one.

There is plenty of video evidence, some at the limits of clarity of phone, CCTV, home security, dashcam or webcam at the distance recorded. Just go onto youtube.

There IS NO VIDEO that could be provided to you or anyone that would be undeniable proof of an alien UAP/UFO, hell the US NAVY released 3 with different corroborating sensors and its sorry - too fuzzy. If it was SD it would need to be HD, then 4K, then 8K, then with a stamp that said "made outside the solar system"

Spot on. We know their cloaking technology advanced in step with our camera technology.

If you assume that what is being seen is more intelligent than us and potentially adapting to what they are observing, its not a stretch to assume they can be always be one step ahead.

I think Weinstein said it well

1:08:59 this gets really tiresome and really irritating ... I don't want to base these discussions any longer on an anchor of this backbiting hating community where we have to answer these questions. Well how would you answer this and how would you answer that, the polite answer is the adults are talking and you're not running the conversation any more.

https://youtu.be/fdwuhU_zu8Y?t=4140

05-07-2022 3:43pm

where we have to answer these questions

Translation: "we want to be able to spout off whatever crap comes into our heads, with no justification, logic or critical thinking applied whatsoever, and we don't want to be called out as fools for doing so".

Why do you think they don't want to have to answer questions?

Do you think that others here on the CT forum should be afforded the same privliege?

If so, why?

I mean, why would you come onto a discussion forum and want to hinder discussion?

FutureGuy · 05-07-2022 4:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119289564#Comment_119289564

So what you are saying is that an alien species capable of travelling between different star systems is pacing advancements in their cloaking ability juuuuuuussssst enough to make us doubt the footage we are able to record at the time. That's a hilarious post.

King Mob · 05-07-2022 4:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294237#Comment_119294237

And still not sure why they need a cloaking system when they could just stay in high orbit.

Or orbit orbit behind the moon. Or in interplanetary space. Or in their home system and scan from there.

Or ya know.... turn off the running lights.

silliussoddius · 05-07-2022 4:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294237#Comment_119294237

Their cloaking technology also includes disguising themselves as drones and have flashing lights that comply with FAA guide lines and appear in locations that have a lot of air traffic. You won't be laughing when the people who saw beaver dinosaurs at Skin Walker Ranch expose everything.

celtic_oz · 21-07-2022 5:07pm

right it used to be that one person would see something in

the sky and say look martha look there's something up there ..

now things have changed now we have multiple sightings by multiple modes

that is the gold standard the gold standard for looking for these objects

not just one person but several people that are reputable not just radar but

visual sighting infrared sensors telescopic evidence now we have multiple

sightings by multiple modes and so the burden of proof has shifted it used to

be the burden of proof was on the people who believed in ufos they saw something

prove it now the burden of proof has shifted to the pentagon to the military now they

have to prove that these aren't extraterrestrial

Michio Kaku is an American theoretical physicist, futurist, and popularizer of science (science communicator). He is a professor of theoretical physics in the City College of New York

https://youtu.be/YebZyAzLZuc?t=34

Dohnjoe · 21-07-2022 6:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119369078#Comment_119369078

Yes I like this guy, but sometimes scientist pundits entertain certain ideas if they know it will boost their profile (e.g. appearing on Joe Rogan)

Like anyone who is keenly interested in space I think the idea of other races is incredible exciting, unfortunately my cold skeptical side also dismisses a lot of the nonsense and illogical thought that circulates the idea.

robinph · 21-07-2022 6:37pm

now they have to prove that these aren't extraterrestrial

Why would they need to prove things are not extraterrestrial? They just need to show what they are, not what they are not.

The default assumption for something unknown shouldn't be mystical/ fairies/ God/ aliens/ lizard people/ Bill Gates/ 5G.

The default is just "unknown", until such point as it becomes "known".

silliussoddius · 21-07-2022 8:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119369078#Comment_119369078

Frequent contributor on Ancient Aliens.

Dohnjoe · 22-07-2022 2:16pm

Saw this pop up on some UFO/mystery sites. Pilot spots mysterious red glow over the Atlantic, says he has never seen anything like it (its over the ocean)

Explanation? It's fishing boats.

silliussoddius · 22-07-2022 6:09pm

That trained observer must have been missing class the day they went over that.

robinph · 22-07-2022 7:05pm

The have it all back to front. Surely if you spot something weird then the obvious first explanation is that it's aliens and the government is in on the plot to hide the details from us.

Can't believe that it's something as outlandish as fishing boats. Would need to see the logs for each fishing boat before we can even begin to entertain something like that. And even then we can't be sure that the logs haven't been falsified until we speak, in person to every member of the crew about it, and their stories better match. And then I want to hear from their "significant others" about if they were at sea at the time, and ideally we would need to speak with any fish that were caught to confirm the story also.

And all that is before we get into the clearly incorrect shade of red light that was installed in these so called fishing boats, no self respecting fishing boat captain would install red lights of that particular shade on their boat, which clearly points to it being in fact aliens as they are well known to be the only users of that shade of the light spectrum.

Can't believe that people fall for this "fishing boat" lies so easily.

celtic_oz · 23-07-2022 9:56am

US Navy : We have multiple cases of UAP/UFO where the combined telemetry data and eye witness accounts mean we do not know what these objects are, most are classified due to the sensitive nature of sensor data, however we have released three videos. Obvious explanations have been ruled out.

US DOD: Over 400 different cases where we have ruled out obvious explanations, some of which have been handed over to a UAP task group for analysis.

UAP Task force : Of 144 cases we studied in a period of about three years and in that time time frame of just studying 144 cases these were only cases that were from credible military sources right and not from just MUFON (or other), but we picked sources that were we knew had a chain of custody of the data and out of those 144, 143 of them we still couldn't figure out what they were where they came from and what their intent was.

US congress May 2022 : To truly get to the bottom of what House intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., calls “one of the greatest mysteries of our time,” Congress and the rest of the government need to view the UAP issue as fundamentally a scientific one and not just a matter for military intelligence. They need to invest adequate funding and other resources to explore something that could meaningfully affect our understanding of the universe. Viewing UAPs only through a security lens means that the military is likely to classify any findings that are truly extraordinary...what the public has seen thus far is just the “tip of the spear,” and the late Harry Reid, former senate majority leader, once remarked it “only scratches the surface” of what’s been gathered. Yet the witnesses Tuesday indicated many details would only be disclosed in the classified portion of the hearing.

Various scientific academics: This needs to be studied properly without prejudice, for SPECIFIC classified observations ET cannot be ruled out, in fact where there is multiple forms of telemetry data of startling other worldly performance the onus is starting to shift to prove these are not ET.

Boardies: Obviously ducks, my mate saw something was shown to be fishing boats in the end, I saw a utube video of a ufo and it was crap.

Dohnjoe · 23-07-2022 10:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375783#Comment_119375783

Summary: "We have unclear footage of stuff we can't confidently identify because the footage is unclear." Whenever it is later identified, it always turns out to be something man-made or weather related or a technical issue. Speculating that these could be extra terrestrial beings isn't logical.

It's the equivalent of going through millions of hours of dashcam and CCTV footage, finding all the incidents of stuff that can't be identified, then assuming anything unidentified could be an "alien". Unfortunately, that's exactly what people do with aerial footage.

celtic_oz · 23-07-2022 11:08am

Summary: "We have unclear footage of stuff we can't confidently identify because the footage is unclear."

no one said that. You have NO idea of the clarity of classified observational data

Whenever it is later identified, it always turns out to be something man-made or weather related or a technical issue.

circular reasoning, if there is phenomenon that cannot be identified, then of course identified objects are not UAP. Means nothing.

It's the equivalent of going through millions of hours of dashcam footage, finding all the incidents of stuff that can't be identified, then assuming anything unidentified could be an "alien". Unfortunately, that's exactly what people do with aerial footage.

Another speculation. You have NO idea of the clarity of classified observational data.

So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

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