So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731599#Comment_122731599

Welcome back

Called every aspect of this:

The real truth? A core of "believers" inside and outside the DoD spread innuendo, part of a larger circuit of TV scientists, ex professional quacks, etc.

Grusch? Swallowed it all hook, line and sinker. Dead alien pilots, spaceships the size of football fields in hangars, the whole nine yards. Couldn't produce a single piece of verified information.

Alien believers? It's all some sort of coverup and the real truth will come out soon™

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731599#Comment_122731599

Camp 2 have convinced themselves of a cover up based on no evidence, they have been dangling a saucer (now tic tac shaped) carrot over believers for decades. All under the guise of trust me bro.

Dohnjoe

Another clown show scheduled today with aliens fanatic Elizondo appearing as an "expert witness" in a formal hearing

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/13/house-ufo-hearing

More disclosure is good, but it's only going to expose that quacks are making stuff up with no evidence. Which the UFO community won't like that so they'll claim it's all a cover-up of a cover-up - calling it again.

silliussoddius

I expect the same amount of evidence as last time.

Butson

Watching this.

So what is going on here - are these witnesses deliberately lying to the committee, as a dis info campaign?

Are they being lied to by colleagues as part of the same dis info campaign? Is this all nonsense being aimed at China / Russia?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122835517#Comment_122835517

They are alien-believers who believe stuff told to them by other alien-believers. This handful just happen to be qualified or found themselves jobs in UAP programs, which makes people believe them.

A bit like having a ghost-hunting committee fielded by ghost experts who believe in ghosts.

They don't have any real evidence, only conviction in their beliefs

Butson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122835556#Comment_122835556

That might be the case. But if so, they are openly lying, under oath, to Congress.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122835560#Comment_122835560

They don't believe they are lying. They really believe this stuff. In their minds, they aren't lying (although video analysis by psychologists show some of them display signs they are aware some of the stuff they are saying might not be true, e.g. David Grusch)

Likewise the doctor who stood up in front of a US hearing genuinely believed that there were magnets inside vaccines.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122835560#Comment_122835560

They can be gullible instead of dishonest. This is just the latest game of telephone, they are convinced there's a cover up and each failure to produce evidence is just more evidence of the cover up.

The article below gives a good overview of the personalities involved.

https://newrepublic.com/article/162457/government-embrace-ufos-bad-science

Dohnjoe

So at the hearing they dropped this like it was dramatic, an editorialised report of a report listing a bunch of pieces of unidentified footage, several we are familiar with, and insinuating something something aliens

I wonder who wrote it..

https://mace.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/mace.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/Cannon%20212_20241113_154539.pdf

tinytobe

After the Roswell incident the US knew that aliens exist.

The UFOs were later transported to the Area 51 in Nevada, togther with the remains of the crashed aliens.

The US started to test-fly the UFOs from the Roswell incident there.

The US government has been hiding the existence of aliens as well as UFOs ever since.

When Donald Trump wanted to revelal the truth, he was ridiculed as always. Portrayed as an old and senile man.

Cheerful S

Ufo news story

As a helicopter pilot who claims to have worked for private aerospace companies as well as the U.S. government to recover non-human crafts, Jake Barber is claiming that the new project he is currently undertaking is a collaboration with private investors. He will release new ufo video on Monday. I have no idea if this is a game changer, same old stuff as before. Very hard to make out. He's going to release a part 2 video online of some early findings anyway

The main goal of these people is to communicate with non-human technology in a very woo kind of manner.. He was the egg and saucer recovery guy who appeared on newsnation a few months ago.

Here is part 1 if interested

https://youtu.be/PcuxnqQLuAQ?si=8ClZZAMcIEknilsu

Giblet

These guys wouldn't last 10 mins in a conversation with a drunkard in a random pub before falling apart. "Prove it". Proceeds to never prove it, and invoke literal magic. "Psionics".

Nothing in that video was in any way credible, made sense, it was a bunch talking heads saying nothing. They LITERALLY INVENT FOOTAGE because they saw **** all. These guys are morons. Are you impressed by this?

silliussoddius

Psionics is just the latest buzzword to appear after no material evidence was revealed, it covers that grey area that deals with dimensions and consciousness.

Giblet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123328151#Comment_123328151

Ass Gas!

Dohnjoe

Reddit UFO believers pointing out that the "dogfighting UFO" appears to be a bird

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1i53myp/is_this_uap_from_coultharts_program_last_night/

Part 2 coming out soon, more blurry things and vague lights I am guessing. Releasing teaser trailers, building hype, they certainly know their audience.

Giblet

Embarrassing, as usual.

Dohnjoe

The 2nd part of "Skywatcher" is out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUthXIGUsq8

Looks like yet another case of point cameras at sky, capture blurry things (and balloons)

187k views in one day if anyone is wondering what could be the motive here.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123340932#Comment_123340932

Recording objects at great heights is challenging for even most experts, especially when objects are flipping around from one spot to another. I see skywatcher is looking for new people with expertise in photography and video to join them. Opening this venture to people outside their circle shows its realness.

One video that can't be faked shows a commercial airliner flying by the object, which was classified as a black mantra 24 minutes into the video. The object, 2 to 3 meters long, is not big but would be hard to stabilize with a store camera when was this high up.

The project should be given some time to work out the issues. It's possible that better video will be captured in the future, or maybe one of the objects will come closer. The project is a couple of months old, and if the objects are appearing every week, that's testable science.

Anyone who has studied this phenomenon for a long time knows there is a trickster element to it. The phenomenon can react in ways that defy explanation. It isn't necessarily friendly explained before in another thread.. Either way, nobody is going to be flying balloons in the path where a commercial airliner just went by. Clearly, something appeared and was captured by this team.

silliussoddius

Your last paragraph isn’t based on evidence, it’s an excuse for lack of evidence.
Better cameras will just by pass the type of stuff that is now blurry but will still find blurry objects.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123352604#Comment_123352604

There isn't a lack of evidence in the videos; we're seeing multiple objects very far high in the sky, which majority of cameras struggle to capture with greater clarity. This isn't unusual, as we know most cameras are not up to standard. It seems the team is looking into finding the best camera available to get a closer image.

Blurry images are understandably not appealing, especially when we're used to seeing every detail of objects up close on the ground. However, objects that are 4000 feet up and higher, not enormous, and moving erratically require specialized equipment to focus on them.

If Star Wars mother ships appeared, they would obviously be visible due to their size. The objects appearing so far seem too small in comparison..Look up high in the sky when a plane leaves an airport; once it gets high enough, all you begin to see is the contrail and a tiny speck up there, moving by

silliussoddius

…..

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1jxl0l4/this_is_what_a_1k_camera_can_see_11000m_up_in_the/

NIMAN

I pop into this thread for a quick read every now and again, and sad to see some folk who still believe based on absolutely nothing.

Still talking of game changing news....that never materialises. Kinda feel sorry for them at this stage. Some will just believe any old conspiracy nonsense at all.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123352585#Comment_123352585

Or..

It's pointing stuff at the sky and capturing stuff that's always there, like birds and balloons

But because it's blurry or far away they can claim it's anything. And get Youtube views and interviews on the circuit, etc.